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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #350 on: 02 Feb 2019, 15:13 »

I'm binging on Discovery right now, and thoroughly enjoying myself - though I have to agree it's not the Trek my Mom told me about.

I don't feel like sorting it into drawers right now (not beyond the obvious, like: No, it's still Trek to me. Yes ... those poor, poor Klingons ...), but some random impressions:

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« Reply #351 on: 03 Feb 2019, 14:11 »

Mostly though, I think its down to Archer being "Air Force rather than Navy"

That is a good way to put it.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #352 on: 09 Feb 2019, 12:10 »

And I've already read internet comments that can't spell Shenzhou...

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes
And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.

Yeah ... imagine that Han were the most common ethnic heritage in the US and they couldn't find one single damn' native speaker to teach the actors not to sound like trepanation patients when they try to say a simple sentence in Mandarin ...

(Season 2, Ep 4 - Cpt. Pike sounds like he's on a bad acid trip ...)

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #353 on: 14 Feb 2019, 03:37 »

Michelle Yeoh has just re-defined Badass. I think that if she ever raised an eyebrow at me, I might actually wet myself. On second thought: Make that a 'would'. I hadn't really known she was a martial arts performer - and did a spit-take when she did the River-Tam-tribute highkick (into the teeth of the guy standing behind her), like she's 21 instead of 55.
:roll: Heh... To me that sounds like someone not really knowing that John Wayne made Westerns, but that just goes to show what cultural silos we live in. Ms. Yeoh made her cinema debut in martial-arts dramas in 1985, though her original training was as a ballet dancer. "River Tam tribute"? Puh-lease, if anything it's the other way round. :P But for me, she's the best thing in Discovery so far.

I stopped watching Discovery after the first few episodes, and only came back to it recently. I'm still not convinced, but I'm not as negative as I was after watching the first few episodes of Season One. I find the biggest flaw is the clunky dialogue they give characters, especially Michael Burnham, which just doesn't sound like the way real people speak.


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« Reply #354 on: 14 Feb 2019, 03:52 »

Ms. Yeoh made her cinema debut in martial-arts dramas in 1985...

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - yo!

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(OT: Yeah, I kinda like Discovery!)  :)
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« Reply #355 on: 14 Feb 2019, 04:05 »

Can I just address the 800-pound Sehlat in the room?

I haven't watched much more than the trailers and the first episode of season 2, but I've already come to the conclusion that Discovery's Spock is... well, mirror Spock.

Not just because of the beard and all, but because of his actions.

Why isn't anyone focusing on this?
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« Reply #356 on: 14 Feb 2019, 04:09 »

Because most Trekkers are getting used to the fact that DIS is a hard reboot in all but name and that they shouldn't expect any of the pre-ENT canon or characterisations to be used in the new show.

FWIW, the watch phrase for  the writers on this show appears to be: "Whatever it is, it must make Michael Burnham seem even more perfect."
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #357 on: 14 Feb 2019, 07:37 »

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes
And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.
Since written Chinese uses its own character set, it baffles me that we don't transliterate it into reasonably accurate phonetic pronunciation using the English alphabet as we do with Japanese. Where/how did we get "jo" being spelled "zhou"?
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #358 on: 14 Feb 2019, 07:46 »

Because it's not quite the same.  Don't assume that because we can't necessarily hear the difference ourselves it doesn't exist. 

For example, many Japanese cannot hear the difference between our "l" and "r", but that doesn't mean that we can't have that distinction even though they don't. 

There is a huge amount of subtlety in how the brain learns during the first year or so what differences in sound are significant in the language(s) the child is exposed to; differences which it finds not significant don't get programmed into the recognition network, and so can be incredibly hard to learn later.
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« Reply #359 on: 14 Feb 2019, 15:25 »

Since written Chinese uses its own character set, it baffles me that we don't transliterate it into reasonably accurate phonetic pronunciation using the English alphabet as we do with Japanese. Where/how did we get "jo" being spelled "zhou"?
It is from the Pinyin romanisation system that we get 神舟 romanised as Shenzhou, and pronounced roughly "shenjo".

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #360 on: 28 Feb 2019, 19:23 »

Watched the Orville's conclusion to the 2 parter "Identity"

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It was freaking amazing! It had a great story with a pretty legit space battle on par with the battle for earth from ME3.
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« Reply #361 on: 01 Mar 2019, 10:45 »

Okay, I never thought I'd say this about Star Trek - Discovery but... now I'm hooked:

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 The chances that the Red Angel is a far future version of the good Captain have just significantly increased, IMO
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« Reply #363 on: 23 May 2019, 14:02 »

Because CBS seems to have the advertising chops of a partially-eaten celery stick, that trailer is geoblocked. For those of us elsewhere...

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« Reply #364 on: 23 May 2019, 14:30 »

I hate when that happens.  It's really annoying to have to change the country of my VPN.
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« Reply #365 on: 24 May 2019, 09:58 »


My only fear about this is that they might make it a flashback series... with Stewart topping and tailing each episode.

I REALLY hope it isn't!
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« Reply #366 on: 24 May 2019, 10:09 »

There are a couple of rumours concerning ST:P.

Taking one with a pinch of salt.

One is that the series will be set about 30 or so years after Star Trek Nemesis and that Picard's life radically changed after the destruction of Romulus in the 2009 reboot. This would also tie into the two part episode "Reunification", featuring Leonard Nimoy and how desperately Picard wanted peace with the Romulans.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #368 on: 08 Mar 2020, 09:53 »

So I watched the 7 episodes of Picard that have aired (I don't have Prime but am at my Mum's house). I will be back later with more thoughts but has anybody else watched it?
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« Reply #369 on: 09 Mar 2020, 03:13 »

I've been watching it.

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« Reply #370 on: 22 Jul 2020, 19:56 »


I'm getting a Final Space/Rick and Morty vibe.
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« Reply #371 on: 23 Jul 2020, 03:16 »

Funnily enough, I just watched a rather scathing discussion about the Lower Decks, talking about how CBS has finally lost sight about what Star Trek was about.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #372 on: 23 Jul 2020, 12:47 »

I think they're in "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" mode.
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« Reply #373 on: 23 Jul 2020, 15:47 »

Funnily enough, I just watched a rather scathing discussion about the Lower Decks, talking about how CBS has finally lost sight about what Star Trek was about.

What did they say Star Trek was all about that CBS lost sight of, out of curiosity?
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« Reply #374 on: 23 Jul 2020, 15:53 »

I think its more of a "The Orville is a comedy version of Star Trek and its doing great!" added with "Scifi comedy cartoons are trending, lets use a known IP."

Funnily enough, I just watched a rather scathing discussion about the Lower Decks, talking about how CBS has finally lost sight about what Star Trek was about.
Well I can see where thats coming from. Star Trek is mostly a serious look into exploration, philosophy, and a way to self examine our own society/culture. Lower Decks may dabble in it, but it seems more like a comedy show than the discussions and lessons from shows past. I think any fan may feel threatened/not thrilled about Lower Deck's tropey parody of that universe.

Hopefully its not the low brow targeted at Millennial humor, Rick and Morty/final space knock off its being presented. The Orville was advertised as "Family Guy in space!" but when you watch the show its a star trek show with comedy in it rather than a comedy show parodying star trek. Admittedly I've only seen most of season 2 of the Orville but it really carried the spirit of TNG.

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I'm willing to give it a try and see it if I can.
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« Reply #375 on: 23 Jul 2020, 15:57 »

Funnily enough, I just watched a rather scathing discussion about the Lower Decks, talking about how CBS has finally lost sight about what Star Trek was about.
Well I can see where thats coming from. Star Trek is mostly a serious look into exploration, philosophy, and a way to self examine our own society/culture. Lower Decks may dabble in it, but it seems more like a comedy show than the discussions and lessons from shows past. I think any fan may feel threatened/not thrilled about Lower Deck's tropey parody of that universe.

Ah, okay.

I just googled a bit and saw a quote commenting they wanted to "laugh with Star Trek" rather than at it.

I can imagine that not going down well with people who take Star Trek very seriously.
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« Reply #376 on: 24 Jul 2020, 14:28 »

I think its more of a "The Orville is a comedy version of Star Trek and its doing great!" added with "Scifi comedy cartoons are trending, lets use a known IP."

Funnily enough, I just watched a rather scathing discussion about the Lower Decks, talking about how CBS has finally lost sight about what Star Trek was about.
Well I can see where thats coming from. Star Trek is mostly a serious look into exploration, philosophy, and a way to self examine our own society/culture. Lower Decks may dabble in it, but it seems more like a comedy show than the discussions and lessons from shows past. I think any fan may feel threatened/not thrilled about Lower Deck's tropey parody of that universe.

Hopefully its not the low brow targeted at Millennial humor, Rick and Morty/final space knock off its being presented. The Orville was advertised as "Family Guy in space!" but when you watch the show its a star trek show with comedy in it rather than a comedy show parodying star trek. Admittedly I've only seen most of season 2 of the Orville but it really carried the spirit of TNG.

Spoiler for a couple of episodes:
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I'm willing to give it a try and see it if I can.

I think The Orville feels more in the spirit of Star Trek than the vast majority of the Star Trek properties that have been made since Voyager and DS:9 went off the air.
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« Reply #377 on: 24 Jul 2020, 17:14 »

I kind of like the idea of taking a concept initially explored in a TNG episode and running with the idea of focusing on the people below the officers to the extent of making the tone of the entire series much less highfalutin. Obviously it helps that this kind of genre is trending, but it is possible to see a rationale behind it.
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« Reply #378 on: 24 Jul 2020, 19:17 »

I think The Orville feels more in the spirit of Star Trek than the vast majority of the Star Trek properties that have been made since Voyager and DS:9 went off the air.

This is pretty much what I feel. In terms of feel/atmosphere, The Orville is basically a long-lost, more comedy-centric late 90s Star Trek show with different set dressing (they even use the same orchestral cues). Everyone expected Family Guy in space, but they didn't realize that MacFarlane is apparently a big Trek nerd. So, instead, we get a love letter to the TNG-VOY era filtered through his sensibilities.

Maybe the trailers are lying, but I don't get that notion from Lower Decks. Everything about it suggests that it's The Adventures of the USS Rick-and-Morty.
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« Reply #379 on: 24 Jul 2020, 21:20 »

Maybe the trailers are lying ...

Trailers can in fact be misleading. Famously.

If you don't already do so, then I'd suggest taking all trailers with a healthy pinch of salt. They are not even made by the same people making the thing they are advertising these days.

I mean, it's no coincidence that many people here are getting the vibe that the series creators are just going with what's trending. That's what trailer makers do.
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« Reply #380 on: 24 Jul 2020, 21:25 »

they didn't realize that MacFarlane is apparently a big Trek nerd.

He was in an episode of Enterprise (along with a fan made video from highschool where he plays Kirk surfaced too).





So yeah, big Star Trek nerd got Fox to greenlight his own Star Trek show. Its a dream come true.  :-D
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« Reply #381 on: 26 Jul 2020, 08:05 »

Star Trek Nerd got to make his own show and made a better show than the actual source material.
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« Reply #382 on: 08 Aug 2020, 14:46 »

Judging by a friend's review that landed on my Facebook feed this morning, I'm expecting more negative reviews to land here soon...
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« Reply #383 on: 10 Aug 2020, 15:50 »

I look forward to several YouTubers I watch bursting a blood vessel over it.
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« Reply #384 on: 21 Aug 2020, 21:49 »

I saw the first episode of Lower Decks. It's thankfully not as generic-adult-cartoon comedy as its style appears to be. And, it's one of the few times I didn't mind having my YT video interrupted.

D'Vana Tendi is a giant excitable nerd after my own heart, and the date-gone-wrong-gone-right scenario legitimately made me laugh multiple times.
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