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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #250 on: 21 May 2016, 16:47 »

Yeah, meant to Post that as well. 

It does look good, at least it's better than that abortion of a first Trailer.
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« Reply #251 on: 21 May 2016, 21:17 »

This one looks a LOT better than that first one.

Yeah, but the movie still has all the stuff that was in the first trailer, doesn't it?
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #252 on: 21 May 2016, 23:25 »

Yeah

It's still JJ's Star Wars Trek
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« Reply #253 on: 22 May 2016, 05:46 »

Yeah

It's still JJ's Star Wars Trek

Could somebody kill that "male protagonist overcomes Daddy issues"-trope already?

Man, that one gave me the eyerollz even back in the day when Top Gun came out, and I still had Daddy issues ... and pimples.

Or is it that JJ got the Franchises confused? Can we expect a "I am your Father, James!"?  (Possibly in Star Trek VII: Showdown at Ac'ne) :psyduck:
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« Reply #254 on: 22 May 2016, 06:16 »

So are the enemies supposed to be Cardassians? Or do they just look kinda similar when they are not all glowy?
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« Reply #255 on: 22 May 2016, 06:41 »

So are the enemies supposed to be Kardashians?

They do look like they've undergone about the same amount of surgery and makeup, at least.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #256 on: 22 May 2016, 14:05 »

It's official

The Axanar Lawsuit has been dropped  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQDCtcRVOiY
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« Reply #258 on: 23 Jul 2016, 23:12 »

Meh... Not greatly impressed; someone's basically slapped a saucer on top of an inverted Klingon D7 fuselage.

That said... I've seen that design somewhere before. Wait a minute! I've got it! It's one of Ralph McQuarrie's original ideas for the new Enterprise during the early pre-production of The abortive Star Trek - Phase II series! Interesting, so they've literally decided to go back to TOS's 'rejected ideas' bin! I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing!

The reuse of the McQuarrie Enterprise is mentioned here.
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« Reply #259 on: 24 Jul 2016, 02:28 »

I like the design, even though I agree that it looks like a combination of Klingon and Federation ship design. I just hope the actual series' CGI will be better than that (it almost certainly will be, I was just surprised at this).

Also it was recently announced that outside of the US, the new show will be carried by Netflix, which is just fantastic news to me.
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« Reply #260 on: 29 Sep 2016, 11:40 »

From the newest movie, when they evacuate the bridge they get into Kelvin Pods.  Is this a direct allusion to the USS Kelvin in the first movie which had no way of evacuating the bridge quick enough to avoid being destroyed?  Thus killing Kirks dad?
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #261 on: 02 Oct 2016, 23:47 »

R.I.P the Star Trek Franchise as CBS/Paramount gives a two fingered salute to the fanbase in this, its 50th year.


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« Reply #262 on: 02 Oct 2016, 23:52 »

Early warning of disaster: "We don't care about the existing continuity" was one of the show-runners' conceits that killed Enterprise. Discovery may be doomed before episode one airs.
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« Reply #263 on: 03 Oct 2016, 14:28 »

Part of my thinking as well.

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« Reply #264 on: 03 Oct 2016, 17:13 »

They just make shit up (oblig Voltaire)

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #266 on: 10 Oct 2016, 13:12 »

I was just sobering up after being enormously stoned when I saw Beyond, and that swarm thing at the start was SOMETHING.
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« Reply #267 on: 26 Oct 2016, 22:19 »

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #268 on: 27 Oct 2016, 01:47 »

Wait... What?
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"The show’s name, “Star Trek: Discovery,” was revealed in September. The 13-episode season will feature a female lead and is set to take place 10 years before the events of the original series of the show."

So... Either the "female lead" is not a starship Captain, or they have a canon-continuity problem with the awful "Turnabout Intruder", don't they? Or were women disqualified from commanding starships somewhere in that ten years?
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« Reply #269 on: 27 Oct 2016, 01:52 »

The back-story of Turnabout Intruder is an embarrassment and I'm really shocked that they didn't take the opportunity to heavily rewrite and redub the dialogue for the Remastered release of the show. The best fan-rewrite of it that I've read was that Dr Lester had some untreatable mental illness and was invalided out of the command track at the Academy on those grounds.

FWIW, the female lead on Star Trek: Discovery is a lieutenant commander; likely a division CO aboard the Discovery under the captain and first officer.
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« Reply #270 on: 27 Oct 2016, 15:40 »

i've always suspected that the real backstory behind that episode might actually be a bitter roddenberry taking one last swipe at the network executives who wouldn't let him cast his girlfriend as the first officer.
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« Reply #271 on: 27 Oct 2016, 23:51 »

But she did get to play Nurse 



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« Reply #272 on: 28 Oct 2016, 03:41 »

hidden under a blonde wig & a stage-name, if i recall correctly
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« Reply #274 on: 25 Nov 2016, 02:16 »

I have no idea how reliable this is, but I heard rumours about it on the Chinese grape-vine, and then came across:

"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon‘s Michelle Yeoh is heading into the final frontier with Star Trek: Discovery. Sources confirm to Deadline that the upcoming CBS All Access iteration of the fabled franchise will see Yeoh playing a Starfleet Captain."

It goes on to say that her ship will be named Shenzhou, by which I assume they mean 神舟 (Shénzhōu) which is the name of the current series of Chinese crewed spacecraft, so it's a bit like putting a Russian actor in a ship called Vostock or Soyuz. :roll:  I am confident that the cast will all mispronounce Shénzhōu, with the exception of Ms. Yeoh, unless the producers insist that she not show everyone else up. She was the only cast-member of Tomorrow Never Dies to pronounce Beijing correctly. :P

One hopes the Bujold curse does not strike again.
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« Reply #275 on: 25 Nov 2016, 15:14 »

It's been Posted a couple of times on one or two Star Trek FB Pages over the last couple of days Akima with a confirming Update going up on main one I follow, so I'm assuming it's confirmed.
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« Reply #276 on: 25 Nov 2016, 17:16 »

star trek has never exactly been known for subtlety
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« Reply #277 on: 11 Feb 2017, 20:27 »

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« Reply #278 on: 12 Feb 2017, 01:10 »

Once again, The Powers That Be at Trekville demonstrate their inability to understand the show's iconography and its fans. What's the bet this mess is going to be set in the Abramsverse with the attendant inability to understand why the fans instinctively reject it?
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« Reply #279 on: 19 Feb 2017, 16:06 »

OK this snuck under my Radar, so some of you who may have been paying better and close attention ot this will be aware that a new Trailer for Discovery came out last month The business with what appears to be the new Klingons aside, I think that this Vid I just came across is an interesting comparison Still not happy with some aspects of how this is going, but it's interesting to compare.


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« Reply #280 on: 19 Feb 2017, 19:16 »

Hopes this will be better than JJ Verse Trek.

At least cut down on the damn lens flares...  :-P

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« Reply #281 on: 19 Feb 2017, 23:22 »

The second trailer made a bad chill run down my spine. I'm getting the feeling of Reboot #2 with a hefty dose of politics as they try to find the broadest, blandest and least controversial definition of 'human' for the Millennial audience.
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« Reply #282 on: 20 Feb 2017, 01:49 »

The second trailer made a bad chill run down my spine. I'm getting the feeling of Reboot #2 with a hefty dose of politics as they try to find the broadest, blandest and least controversial definition of 'human' for the Millennial audience.

Huh? Millennials now unsure on the definition of 'human'?

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« Reply #283 on: 20 Feb 2017, 06:37 »

The ship has a very old school Bird of Prey feel to it. To be honest, I haven't paid much attention to the news about the show. The last few attempts to do a new Trek seem to be getting further and further away from the roots of the show in the name of giving it a more action aspect and a big tied together storyline. The storyline part is to be expected in movies... But part of the appeal of Original and Next Generation was they could tell all these separate stories and not feel the need to tie everything back to one central narrative. There were recurring villains, sure. But it's not like there was some massive galactic conspiracy going on. Also trying to reinvent the story and background gets old for any follow up series.

What kills my interest though is putting it on their private pay service. Clearly it's there to be a big front running show to get people in. 'Pay to watch the new Star Trek, and you can see all our other content too!'. Sorry, no thanks. Not that I'm opposed to pay services mind you. I've had a Netflix subscription for years. The difference being that CBS is running both a free and pay service. Choosing to put Star Trek on their pay service in a clear attempt to get people to subscribe to me is a big middle finger to the Trek fan base. And I'm happy to return it to them and walk away.
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« Reply #284 on: 20 Feb 2017, 14:45 »

Actually, the guys behind Trek Yards did a Podcast on this and it was an interesting discussion between them over it.


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« Reply #285 on: 26 Feb 2017, 16:58 »

they try to find the broadest, blandest and least controversial definition of 'human' for the Millennial audience.
I don't know what that even means. Do Millennials® have a blander and less controversial definition of Hollywood human than, say, The Great Generation®, or Boomers®, for whom it was "almost entirely white people, and mostly men"? Come to think of it, that has only changed a little, hasn't it?
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« Reply #286 on: 26 Feb 2017, 23:33 »

The point is, Akima, that modern media has a pathological fear of offending... someone... anyone. In attempting to avoid this, they usually end up offending everyone because they refuse to acknowledge very real issues and things that make different people unique.

Star Trek has had this problem (sanitising differing versions of the human condition and human cultures until they are blandly indistinguishable) as far back as the start of the Next Generation era but it has got much worse. My fear is that it is going to get worse yet.
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« Reply #287 on: 27 Feb 2017, 12:35 »

they try to find the broadest, blandest and least controversial definition of 'human' for the Millennial audience.
I don't know what that even means. Do Millennials® have a blander and less controversial definition of Hollywood human than, say, The Great Generation®, or Boomers®, for whom it was "almost entirely white people, and mostly men"? Come to think of it, that has only changed a little, hasn't it?

As a Gen-X-®, I feel hurt and offended by your erasure of my age-group.  :cry:

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« Reply #288 on: 27 Feb 2017, 14:34 »

The point is, Akima, that modern media has a pathological fear of offending... someone... anyone.
I don't think the evidence supports this. For example, Hollywood shows not the smallest fear of offending many women, or any hesitation in doing so:
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I wonder if some people think that Hollywood is afraid of offending people, simply because women, ethnic minorities, people with the "wrong" religion, gays etc. are not entirely excluded, or not depicted in a sufficiently negative way, to conform with their prejudices. Consider the way an element of Star Wars fans went bonkers when two successive films had prominent female characters, after six consecutive films, and a bunch of animated TV series, with male protagonists. Or the way Browncoats swoon over Firefly despite its depiction of Chinese people as no more than a bunch of coolies in the background with nothing to say.
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« Reply #289 on: 27 Feb 2017, 15:10 »

Considering that TOS did break several boundaries (A black female in a senior officer, if not a command position on the Bridge, tackling racism through allegory - Let That Be Your Last Battlefield - Put a Russian on the Bridge of the ship in a senior position right smack dab in the middle of the Cold War, along with other issues) and tackled certain issues of it's day through allegory, once has to cringe a little bit about how a certain level of blandness did creep into it as Series such ad TNG et al came along.

Don't get me wrong, TOS did have it's problems, but for it's day, it was certainly ground breaking for a Sci-Fi show, let alone a TV show of that era.
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« Reply #290 on: 01 Mar 2017, 09:43 »

Considering that TOS did break several boundaries (A black female in a senior officer, if not a command position on the Bridge, tackling racism through allegory - Let That Be Your Last Battlefield - Put a Russian on the Bridge of the ship in a senior position right smack dab in the middle of the Cold War, along with other issues) and tackled certain issues of it's day through allegory, once has to cringe a little bit about how a certain level of blandness did creep into it as Series such ad TNG et al came along.

Don't get me wrong, TOS did have it's problems, but for it's day, it was certainly ground breaking for a Sci-Fi show, let alone a TV show of that era.

All this - and don't forget the biblethumpers who wanted Spock dropped from the show because he somehow reminded them of the Devil.

One could make an argument out of Jadzia Dax challenging binary gender norms (in a very, very milquetoast way), whatwith Dax having zero concerns about going from living an entire life in a male body to embracing living in a female one (albeit, both bodies seemed to display none of the neurological complications at the heart of gender-dysphoria in many *trans people, so one could argue that Dax' 'transition' was a purely spiritual one), and Cisco's affectionately calling her 'old man' every so often.

I really liked what Jolene Blalock and Connor Trineer did with their respective characters in Enterprise - to me, it was a very slow and very subtle challenging of gender-roles, at times driven by Blalock's mastery at weaving into her lines the infinitely slow evolution/erosion of T'Pols emotional control over many episodes, at other times by Trineer being man enough to be the Enterprise's version of Firefly's Kaylee (Cheerful, adorable hornball country-bumpkin-and-genius-mechanic - and the first pregnant cisman in the Federation's history) that culminated in their troubled relationship-attempt, which I thought hinted at a striking (and touching) role-reversal of traditional gender-norms. To me, it felt like Trip finding the strength to show the hope, anxiety and grief that T'pol could not express in all but the most painfully restrained gestures acted as a kind of "Verfremdungseffect" - highlighting the essentially pathological underpinnings of stoic masculinity gone toxic by showcasing the 'familiar' in a 'foreign' framework.

So while one could argue that none of that was as groundbreaking relative to the prevalent cultural mores of the times as TOS had been, I don't quite see the Franchise totally abandoning that heritage.
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« Reply #291 on: 01 Mar 2017, 12:08 »

Indeed.

I felt let down by the cop out ending of the Dax/Khan story.  It would have been interesting to see them go against Trill Convention and would have certainly taken Trek back into its roots of storytelling.

I think the closest any mainstream Sci-Fi show got to a same sex relationship in show was B5 with the Winters/Ivanova tale and it only ended after Andrea Thompson decided to walk away from the series for personal reasons.

I liked the way they went with the T'Pol/Tucker relationship, especially with haow T'Pols character developed as time went on (despite  the fact I was, and still am,a T'Pol/Sato 'shipper ;)  :-D ) and was a little pissed when they blew Tucker up at the end.
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« Reply #292 on: 01 Mar 2017, 13:44 »

I liked the way they went with the T'Pol/Tucker relationship, especially with haow T'Pols character developed as time went on (despite  the fact I was, and still am,a T'Pol/Sato 'shipper ;)  :-D ) and was a little pissed when they blew Tucker up at the end.


They were doing the breast they could:bigclaireface:

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« Reply #293 on: 02 Mar 2017, 13:46 »

Oh boy.


No wonder he quit Starfleet and went to work in New Orleans  :-D  ;)
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« Reply #294 on: 09 Mar 2017, 14:47 »

Anf the speculation and rumour mill grinds on


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« Reply #295 on: 09 Mar 2017, 14:55 »

I've just watched that video and it gives me chills. Those rumours speak of a production doomed and it could take the Star Trek franchise with it.
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These are only rumours but, if even a fraction of it is true, then Discovery is in mortal peril. All because a studio executive thought that he knew how to sell to the fan-base better than a life-long fan.
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Several other forum members have asked me where I got my starship avatar. It is a Bridge Commander model of the original draft idea for the second USS Enterprise, seen at the end of 'Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home'. Just in case you're interested,
here is a fan-page about the ill-fated ENTERPRISE-class heavy cruiser project.
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« Reply #297 on: 11 May 2017, 15:40 »

Interesting Ben

The Phase II Web Series did what I thought was a very interesting 'Mid Life' Upgrade/Refit for their Enterprise

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« Reply #298 on: 12 May 2017, 00:06 »

Aaannnd yet another fan series reminds us why 'Star Trek - Discovery' is going to have a literal mountain to climb to get anywhere.
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« Reply #299 on: 12 May 2017, 17:02 »

And why CBS/Paramount is doing its level best to dictate and control what the fans out there are doing because the stuff coming  out from them is, to a certain extent, leaving CBS/Paramount in the dust.
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