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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2450 on: 07 Jun 2016, 19:25 »

Xfinity keeps running this commercial.  If someone searches for movies with romance and the first return is 50 Shades of Grey, the technology is not ready.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2451 on: 11 Jun 2016, 09:36 »

Why do some people have an issue with "they" being both singular and plural, but no issue with "you"?
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2452 on: 11 Jun 2016, 18:12 »

We've* all become accustom to using "you" as a singular, but not everyone is ready to get on board with "they."

*Quakers excepted.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2453 on: 14 Jun 2016, 16:27 »

Why do some people have an issue with "they" being both singular and plural, but no issue with "you"?
Generally, because they are sexist arseholes.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2454 on: 15 Jun 2016, 00:09 »

all y'all knock that off.

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« Reply #2455 on: 15 Jun 2016, 06:26 »

I find that referring to everyone as "pathetic human" makes things more equal. 

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« Reply #2456 on: 15 Jun 2016, 06:58 »

Collective nouns I use for my students are generally 'team,' 'folks,' very occasionally 'peeps' if I'm feeling sassy.
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« Reply #2457 on: 15 Jun 2016, 08:43 »

Plural "you" doesn't get shit because it's grammatically correct, so anyone hiding behind the "it's not grammatically correct" argument with singular "they" would get exposed as the bigots they are if they tried.
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« Reply #2458 on: 15 Jun 2016, 10:36 »

How is a singular they grammatically incorrect? My first thought was because it's "they are" as opposed to "he/she/it is", but it's "you are" whether it's singular or plural, so I don't see an issue.
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« Reply #2459 on: 15 Jun 2016, 10:59 »

No idea, but that's the argument I hear the most. I think maybe because it's relatively new to their ears while "you" as both singular and plural is so ingrained.
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« Reply #2460 on: 15 Jun 2016, 11:02 »

But yeah, if you get mad because you think something is grammatically incorrect and would rather have people conform to a rigid language that makes them feel uncomfortable you're an asshole.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2461 on: 15 Jun 2016, 12:22 »

Collective nouns I use for my students are generally 'team,' 'folks,' very occasionally 'peeps' if I'm feeling sassy.

My most common collective noun is "you guys." Which here in the South I've been called out on before, but growing up I literally had never heard of 'guys' being a gendered term.

But also yeah, singular they is and always has been grammatically correct.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2462 on: 15 Jun 2016, 16:19 »

Pittsburgh uses "yinz". Pittsburgh is weird.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2463 on: 15 Jun 2016, 16:27 »

I think maybe because it's relatively new to their ears while "you" as both singular and plural is so ingrained.
If the "singular they" is new in their ears, it is only because they have not been listening. Jane Austen used it. Shakespeare used it too. In fact a great many respected authors have done so. I believe the practice goes back at least to Middle English, but I have not studied that. Learning modern English was bad enough. :P

And to claim that "there is nothing sexist about using he as a generic pronoun", I would answer that male grammarians have explicitly justified the practice in sexist terms:
  • "let us keepe a naturall order, and set the man before the woman for maners sake". — Wilson, The arte of Rhetorique (1560)
  • "The Masculine gender is more worthy than the Feminine." — Poole The English Accidence (1646)
Having said all that, I will often "pluralise" an entire sentence to avoid the problem, which is often better when dealing with generic situations. I think "A doctor should care for their patients" is better written as "Doctors should care for their patients".
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« Reply #2464 on: 15 Jun 2016, 16:46 »

Obviously these people haven't been listening, it's why they have those godawful opinions in the first place :p
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2465 on: 15 Jun 2016, 20:56 »

Collective nouns I use for my students are generally 'team,' 'folks,' very occasionally 'peeps' if I'm feeling sassy.

My most common collective noun is "you guys." Which here in the South I've been called out on before, but growing up I literally had never heard of 'guys' being a gendered term.

But also yeah, singular they is and always has been grammatically correct.

As a Mississippi dude, 'you guys' is what yankees use instead of "y'all."

As a dude who's experienced many varieties of language, I still prefer "Y'all," but why the heck would I call a person on an equally viable (though less efficient) multiple pronoun?
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« Reply #2466 on: 17 Jun 2016, 05:55 »

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« Reply #2467 on: 17 Jun 2016, 13:59 »

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« Reply #2468 on: 18 Jun 2016, 15:53 »

If I were a mischievous genie and someone asked me to give them the power to turn invisible, I'd make it so that whenever they use it, their surroundings are cloaked in a bubble of impenetrable darkness. Voilá, invisible.
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« Reply #2469 on: 18 Jun 2016, 16:18 »

Fun fact, if you turned yourself invisible you'd also turn yourself blind because of the way that our eyes work. So you wouldn't even hafta!
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« Reply #2470 on: 18 Jun 2016, 16:29 »

That sounds like something a mischievous genie would make sure of if you tried to be clever and wished for the power to turn yourself perfectly transparent.

If I wanted to be cleverer, I'd just wish for the power to turn myself unnoticable. But I bet then a mischievous genie would give me the power to turn into a flea or something.
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« Reply #2471 on: 18 Jun 2016, 16:57 »

I'm really upset that there's no Know Your Meme page for this because I really desperately need it to have some kind of social context.
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« Reply #2472 on: 18 Jun 2016, 17:25 »

Google isn't helping. Maybe one of the Germans on the forum can shed some light?
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« Reply #2473 on: 21 Jun 2016, 17:46 »

So is Jon Oliver's show just a giant liberal circle jerk?
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« Reply #2474 on: 21 Jun 2016, 17:54 »

So is Jon Oliver's show just a giant liberal circle jerk?

Well, it's also kinda funny.
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2475 on: 21 Jun 2016, 20:57 »

Steering the hell away from politics, it occurs to me that I've only ever seen or read 'irregardless' in the context of someone saying how it's NOT a word.
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« Reply #2476 on: 26 Jun 2016, 12:23 »

I had a friend who just posted that if she gets a 100 likes she'll quit smoking.

If you post something like that you obviously want to quit, just fucking do it for you, not because some random people on the internet liked your status...
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« Reply #2477 on: 26 Jun 2016, 13:02 »

That whole "I'll do ____ if I receive ____ likes" thing is just attention seeking bullshit.
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« Reply #2478 on: 26 Jun 2016, 14:49 »

At the very least she didn't do the, "if I get 100 likes I'll donate to [charity]". That one makes me angry.
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« Reply #2479 on: 26 Jun 2016, 17:10 »

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« Reply #2480 on: 27 Jun 2016, 10:08 »

Why do they call rolling a pair of ones 'snake eyes' when a pair of ones is exactly what snake eyes don't look like?
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« Reply #2481 on: 28 Jun 2016, 12:23 »

I wrote the sentence, "I have to go to my cousins wedding". I forgot an apostrophe so now the sentence reads as though my cousins are getting married to each other.
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« Reply #2482 on: 28 Jun 2016, 12:43 »

Wouldn't you still need an apostrophe? (Cousins')
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« Reply #2483 on: 28 Jun 2016, 15:10 »

I'm grammatically incorrect and part of an incestuous family, apparently.
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« Reply #2484 on: 28 Jun 2016, 15:54 »

Why do they call rolling a pair of ones 'snake eyes' when a pair of ones is exactly what snake eyes don't look like?
I guess because two dots symbolise eyes generally? :)  Two is a bad result, in craps at least, and snakes are (quite unjustly) symbols of evil? "Rat eyes" would be more accurate, but rats are cute!:


As I understand it, you "crap out" on a come-out roll of two, three or twelve. Two is "snake eyes" and twelve is "boxcars", but why doesn't three have a picturesque name? Oh, apparently it does.
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« Reply #2485 on: 30 Jun 2016, 16:36 »

Trailing right back to the Granddaddy of all Fanships, Kirk/Spock
Granddaddy? What about the Lois Lane/Lana Lang thing in Superman comics?

Personally, I rather wish that creators wouldn't go around after the fact telling people what their work really meant, especially when it is years after the work was released, since the work itself should do that. Taking Blade Runner as an example, was Ridley Scott's inserting/emphasising, in the director's cut, the idea that Deckard is a replicant, any different from George Lucas' "Greedo shot first" thing*, except for being less clumsily executed? Both essentially involved telling a large proportion of their audience that they were wrong and stupid.

*I declare my interests: Han shot first. Deckard is human. ;)

Quoting this here because it's not related to the thread but reminded me of a discussion I had with my Partner. We've made films together and both been heavily involved from conception to post-production on projects that we equally consider ours. So I was saying one time that it's interesting that there is media with ambiguous and unexplained endings or plot points, like Inception and Blade Runner and that people involved with the production have said their belief of the ending. However a producer is different than an actor which is different than a writer which is different than a director and all have arguably different amounts, if any, on the say of what is canon.

So it's possible we could make something that has an ambiguous ending and we are both involved equally in every step of the process. I'm not talking about interpretations or Word of God, I mean like an ending that cuts off before the audience sees a key bit of information that explains if a scenario is A or B (or C or D, etc). In canon, it must be one way or the other, we just chose to not reveal whatever it was to the audience and the scene doesn't exist to show (or both scenes exist if we have enough money to have deleted scenes, omg). As we are both the creators, we could have different ideas about what the ending was, I say it was A and Partner says it was B... But it's still each of our projects. We agree that there's equal say so both ideas are correct and canon, at least in our own heads. We both could claim A and/or B to be the canon ending and neither of us are wrong because it's creative media and that is amazing to me.

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« Reply #2486 on: 01 Jul 2016, 04:56 »

You could easily replace Faye and Bubbles with Zarya and Pharrah and only some people would notice.
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« Reply #2487 on: 01 Jul 2016, 11:44 »

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« Reply #2488 on: 04 Jul 2016, 20:23 »

In canon, it must be one way or the other
Why? If it cuts off before you find out, isn't it neither and both?
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« Reply #2489 on: 05 Jul 2016, 04:21 »

The very next bit of that sentence already answers you. The answer exists and not being shown to the audience does not mean there is not an answer. It is about the specific author perspective I already explained, which has decided there is a canonical answer.

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« Reply #2490 on: 05 Jul 2016, 13:01 »

If the answer is specifically left out of the canon, how is it canonical?
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« Reply #2491 on: 05 Jul 2016, 13:44 »

Author's liberty. As I said, in multiple ways, the answer was not left out of canon, it just wasn't shown to the audience. Not everything has to be on screen to be canonical. I already explained my thought process and you know not everyone agrees with your opinion on Word of God. I am now done justifying what began as sharing my fun thought experiment about a hypothetical creative process.

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« Reply #2492 on: 05 Jul 2016, 14:29 »

Yeah, but this goes a step beyond the usual, it seems. I thought word of god at least needed something in the actual book/show/movie/etc to justify the explanation, even if that explanation was now the "official" one. I didn't realize it meant "there are multiple equally valid answers, and there's no indication which is right, but this is the right one". Now I know.
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« Reply #2493 on: 06 Jul 2016, 02:23 »

I'm one of those boring people who never cry during movies, but husband just bought Paris, Texas today and told me he hadn't seen it before, so I insisted we'd watch it right away because it's my favorite, and I cried. so. hard. It's not even the saddest movie I've seen, but I totally toot every time I watch it. Is it weird that I never cry during movies, except one particular movie every time without fail? Anyway, go watch the movie if you haven't seen it.
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« Reply #2494 on: 06 Jul 2016, 04:54 »

I used to be like that with The Green Mile. Only movie that got me to tear up for years, even if it was only on TV and I saw the last twenty minutes or so. Now though, I cry at almost every film. Most recently it was the ending montage of The Secret Life of Pets that got me.

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« Reply #2495 on: 06 Jul 2016, 13:35 »

A: Oleoresin Capsicium.

Q: What do I get to have sprayed at me tomorrow?
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Re: miscellaneous musings
« Reply #2496 on: 06 Jul 2016, 15:22 »

Protest, training, or bizarre club initiation?

(The last two sort of go hand-in-hand in a lot of instances I think.)
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« Reply #2497 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:18 »

GarandMarine said USMC hand-to-hand combat training was legalized hazing.
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« Reply #2498 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:37 »

Protest, training, or bizarre club initiation?

(The last two sort of go hand-in-hand in a lot of instances I think.)

Number two. Part of POSC. We use pepper spray at my facility/school.
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