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On character design
« on: 02 Oct 2014, 07:42 »

When the topic of Claire's non emphasized lips maybe being forshadowing of her beeing trans came up in WCDT I noticed that we seem to not have a threat for analysing and discussing visual character design. So here it is.

REMINDER: The mods have repeatedly stated that they don't want us to argue about visual clues regarding Claire beeing trans and as long as we don't get a mod post to the contrary we should follow said request.(correct me if I'm wrong!)

So to give an example of what I mean by analyzing visual character design let me quote something from a different threat.
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Another part is, that in comics visual design tells us a lot about character, let's talk about Claire, Hannelore and Marigold not "having" lips for a moment, this may(most likely) not have been an indicator about them beeing trans, far more likely is that it was drawn that way to show that they don't care about their apearence the way other women in the comic do, Claire herself has stated to not get fashion, marigold largely isolated herself from society and Hannelore     ...well is Hannelore.

Things like this tell us more about character than words ever could and so we should have a place focused on it.  :-)
(At least I think so.)
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Re: On character design
« Reply #1 on: 02 Oct 2014, 09:28 »

the lips thing is just because those characters look weird to me when I draw them with lips
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Re: On character design
« Reply #2 on: 02 Oct 2014, 09:31 »

That's a pretty good reason :)
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Re: On character design
« Reply #3 on: 02 Oct 2014, 09:32 »

Good to know :D
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Re: On character design
« Reply #4 on: 02 Oct 2014, 09:56 »

Heh. Now I'm imagining a parallel universe where Hannelore has Faye's lips. And vice versa.
 I agree with Jeph; weird definitely lives there.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #5 on: 02 Oct 2014, 10:14 »

The thickness of your lips does not really relate to how much you care about your appearance.... Unless caring about your appearance means getting a lip implant if you have naturally thinner lips.
I guess evilQušlgeist meant putting on lipstick, but even that has nothing to do with caring about your appearance. I for example care about my appearane and thus don't put on lipstick, because I don't like it on myself.

This is not to say that this thread is necessarily a bad idea in general; just that the lip thing is a bad example in my opinion. And I guess that this also illustrates that trying to infer something about a person's character based on how they look is very often erroneous.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #6 on: 02 Oct 2014, 10:18 »

Yes I meant lipstick and I know that there are people that care about their appearance and don't wear lipstick(beeing one myself), I know why I wrote "they don't care about their appearence the way other women in the comic do"  :angel:
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Re: On character design
« Reply #7 on: 02 Oct 2014, 10:53 »

Boss has spoken.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #8 on: 02 Oct 2014, 14:31 »

the lips thing is just because those characters look weird to me when I draw them with lips
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Re: On character design
« Reply #9 on: 02 Oct 2014, 17:06 »

Something that's bugged me for a while is how parents are almost always taller than their adult children - the only exception I can think of is HannerDad.

It's not unheard of IRL, but it's much more consistent in the QCverse, which makes me wonder if some malevolent force is slowly shrinking humanity?

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Re: On character design
« Reply #10 on: 02 Oct 2014, 18:59 »

I noticed it over in the WCDT thread, that mothers specifically are taller than their adult children, with the exception of Mrs. Whitaker being shorter than Faye or Amanda, and Elssa Bianchi being shorter than Sven (but taller than Dora).
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Re: On character design
« Reply #11 on: 02 Oct 2014, 19:26 »

Jeph's answer to this has made me hurray because for once I was right.
(I am rarely sure of being correct about anything)
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Re: On character design
« Reply #12 on: 02 Oct 2014, 21:52 »

Could be something in the water there.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #13 on: 02 Oct 2014, 22:19 »

Could be something in the water there.

Either that or a bucket of cast-off lips somewhere. *shiver*
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Re: On character design
« Reply #14 on: 02 Oct 2014, 22:29 »

Could be something in the water there.

Either that or a bucket of cast-off lips somewhere. *shiver*
They used to be in the Land of the Least-Loved Lost Lips, but the place's name was considered cruel to people with speech impediments.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #15 on: 02 Oct 2014, 23:15 »

Could be something in the water there.

Either that or a bucket of cast-off lips somewhere. *shiver*
They used to be in the Land of the Least-Loved Lost Lips, but the place's name was considered cruel to people with speech impediments.

I just laughed at that 'til I snorted. Nicely played.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #16 on: 02 Oct 2014, 23:23 »

Now i just keep thinking of the rolling stones...
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Re: On character design
« Reply #17 on: 02 Oct 2014, 23:42 »

Something that's bugged me for a while is how parents are almost always taller than their adult children - the only exception I can think of is HannerDad.

I'm sure Veronica is intentional because it suits her as the intimidating dominatrix. I think the rest is coincidence. In Claire's case, it'd be pretty hard for her to be taller than her mom. Girl is incredibly small, competing only with Tai for the title of tiniest.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #18 on: 03 Oct 2014, 02:02 »

As far as fathers, Peter is actually shorter than Dora, although it makes sense in that case. Hannerdad has already been mentioned.

Henry appears to be a bit taller than Marten, and now I can't actually think of any other fathers of adult children in the QCverse. (We don't see a good comparison between adult Faye and David.)
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Re: On character design
« Reply #19 on: 03 Oct 2014, 02:57 »

Have we already considered Marigold's dad? We saw him briefly panicking about steampunk.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #20 on: 03 Oct 2014, 03:02 »

Good point. He's shorter: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2198

So, fathers for the most part are shorter, mothers for the most part are taller.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #21 on: 03 Oct 2014, 03:12 »

I have to say that I love the design of Pintsize and Winslow. They're so obviously modern personal computing technology with added arms and legs (and a head, in Pintsize's case). This really makes it obvious for the reader that they're looking at walking, talking sentient home computing technology.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #22 on: 03 Oct 2014, 07:49 »

I have to say that I love the design of Pintsize and Winslow. They're so obviously modern personal computing technology with added arms and legs (and a head, in Pintsize's case). This really makes it obvious for the reader that they're looking at walking, talking sentient home computing technology.
It's interesting how they, as the computer-y looking ones, seem less rounded than the human-looking duo, Momo and May.  It could be a case of them being older cast members and their roles and personalities being firmly entrenched in Jeph's mind, or it could be that they're the ones that identify as male, and Jeph seems to write women with more character depth than the men.  Marten and Steve seem more or less the same as they always were, except for the addition of Steve Shoulders. 

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Re: On character design
« Reply #23 on: 03 Oct 2014, 08:13 »

It could also be that Pintsize and Winslow are simply comfortable in their identities. Momo seems much less so and seems to be searching for who she is as a person and her place in the world. P&W don't seem to need that. Plenty of RL humans are exactly the same way.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #24 on: 03 Oct 2014, 08:21 »

It could also be that Pintsize and Winslow are simply comfortable in their identities. Momo seems much less so and seems to be searching for who she is as a person and her place in the world.

I agree with this - Remember Momo's angsty little conversation with Marten about how some religions view sentient AIs? She's got a lot of uncertainties about herself. This is one of the reasons why I think Jeph is setting up a double-act with May of two little robots looking for their place in the world.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #25 on: 03 Oct 2014, 08:22 »

I would totally read a spinoff comic of just Momo and May.

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Re: On character design
« Reply #26 on: 03 Oct 2014, 08:50 »

In Claire's case, it'd be pretty hard for her to be taller than her mom. Girl is incredibly small, competing only with Tai for the title of tiniest.

Though Claire does seem to have shrunk  noticeably since her introduction.

see http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2204, where she's only a little bit shorter than Marten.

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Re: On character design
« Reply #27 on: 03 Oct 2014, 10:46 »

She has her regular height by the very next strip, where she is craning her neck to lock eyes with Marten.

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Re: On character design
« Reply #28 on: 05 Oct 2014, 15:52 »

I think the height thing is a reflection of personalities - generally, the mothers are taller and more stable whereas the fathers are more approachable but less mature which leads to them being down with the kids.

That being said, I have to acknowledge the possibility that it's all about the shoes. Claire's mom could be wearing big stompy gothic platform boots in #2804.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #29 on: 13 Oct 2014, 20:28 »

So, this is what Cosette looked like when we first met her:


Cute! In an accident prone sort of way.


Remember that time she hooked up with Steve and they had to call an ambulance?


Anyway, after Dora hired her, she died her hair.


It was certainly a different look for her!


Yet somehow... strangely familiar.


So... I think the inescapable conclusion is that Cosette was recruited by a rival spy agency and on an experimental time travel mission, took the opportunity to visit Steve on the day they first hooked up, just to sass him. Any other theories?

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Re: On character design
« Reply #30 on: 13 Oct 2014, 22:36 »

Wow.  When I first saw the ambulance pic in your post, I thought the what-the-hell girl was Cosette!
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Re: On character design
« Reply #31 on: 13 Oct 2014, 23:24 »

I'm wondering if Jeph was originally planning to contrast Steve and Cosette's healthy relationship with Marten and Faye's "house o' neuroses" by making the two sets of protagonists look similar.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #32 on: 15 Oct 2014, 05:41 »

Can we talk about butts, please? Or are butts regarded as "private parts" not open to discussion?

Butt size, girls:
Faye > Gabby > Marigold > Emily > Penelope > Cosette > Dora > Tai > Hanners > Claire ?

Boys:
Steve > Angus > Jimbo > Sven > Wil > Marten > Clinton ?

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Re: On character design
« Reply #33 on: 15 Oct 2014, 05:45 »

Wow.  When I first saw the ambulance pic in your post, I thought the what-the-hell girl was Cosette!
New mind cannon: Cosette died in an espresso machine explosion and was quietly replaced by Luna! The hair-dying was Luna's way of fooling Steve into thinking she was Cosette.  :roll:
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Re: On character design
« Reply #34 on: 15 Oct 2014, 07:49 »

Obviously, Cosette was stolen by fairies and replaced by a changeling. Note the eye colour in the last picture above.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #35 on: 15 Oct 2014, 11:50 »

Can we talk about butts, please? Or are butts regarded as "private parts" not open to discussion?

Butt size, girls:
Faye > Gabby > Marigold > Emily > Penelope > Cosette > Dora > Tai > Hanners > Claire ?

Boys:
Steve > Angus > Jimbo > Sven > Wil > Marten > Clinton ?

It's basically canon that Marigold has the nicest butt. Tai is all over the place, I assume because she wore a binder in a lot of her earlier appearances. Claire fills out a dress surprisingly well, so I'd call her a tie with Hanners. Rules of good comedy entail that if Marten and Clinton ever got in a butt judging contest, Marten would have to lose.

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Re: On character design
« Reply #36 on: 15 Oct 2014, 12:00 »

Rules of good comedy entail that if Marten and Clinton ever got in a butt judging contest, Marten would have to lose.

Never mind that Clinton has no problem at all with wearing a speedo, if it comes to that.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #37 on: 15 Oct 2014, 12:02 »

Never mind that Clinton has no problem at all with wearing a speedo, if it comes to that.

I find his utterly unfounded self-confidence weirdly beguiling.

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Re: On character design
« Reply #38 on: 15 Oct 2014, 12:10 »

Never mind that Clinton has no problem at all with wearing a speedo, if it comes to that.

I find his utterly unfounded self-confidence weirdly beguiling.

Probably a sort of survival mechanism for him. "Fake it 'til you make it," and all that.
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Re: On character design
« Reply #39 on: 15 Oct 2014, 12:34 »



Probably a sort of survival mechanism for him. "Fake it 'til you make it," and all that.
Along with a heavy dose of 'People are gonna give me shit (about nerdiness etc.) pretty much no matter what, so screw it.'
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