The point that those people are trying to make is that, even if Joe isn't a rapist, he's immersed in a culture of toxic masculinity (which is a particular sub-type of masculinity), that very much tries to trivialize rape.
He's part of the culture that attacks rape victims for "ruining their rapist's life", because it wasn't really rape, because she didn't say no (because she was so drunk that she couldn't say no). He's part of the culture that trivializes women, reducing their role to sex objects, and declaring them worthless if they're not having sex with people like him (this especially includes Joyce - see his rating her "zero minus" - even if he doesn't actually think she's worthless).
The people who are calling him out for being on the same path as Ryan and who are calling him out for being immersed in the culture of toxic masculinity aren't saying that he's a toxic male, they're pointing out that he's also a victim of toxic masculinity... but that he has a lot of victims as a result. Sure, it's nowhere near as bad as Ryan, but it is still a thing. And, they're even pointing out that he could grow out of this. In the mean time, though, he's still a threat to women on campus.
And clearly I disagree with that.
Exactly where have we seen him "immersed in rape culture"?
I have never seen him
remotely 'blame victims for being raped'.
Neither have I seen him attempt to (for want of a better word) 'seduce' anyone under the influence of drink or drugs.
And the last point is the one that really gets me, and that people are refusing to take into account...
Maybe the women who slept with him
did actually want him to!
Maybe, just maybe, "casual sex" is actually a thing!
(
No, surely not!)
He has NEVER classed any woman as "worthless" if they will not sleep with him.
As you say above, he certainly doesn't view Joyce as worthless, so that point is moot.
And if he did view woman as worthless, then why would he even consider his actions and (impotently-ironically) look to in some way 'make up' for his childish list? (A list, which it must be acknowledged, HE did not make public.)
He has, in fact, made no attempt to hide his availability for women to have sex with him.
Now... you may believe his list is part of this so called "Rape-Culture".
If you do, then there's little else can be said, as IMO, a fantasy "marks-out-of-ten, to-do" PRIVATE list, made by an immature, sexually maturing, young
man boy, is so far removed from rape as to be laughable to attempt to link them.
And, Joe has
victims?
I think that' straining the English language a little too far...
As is the whole viewpoint hat Joe is in some way dangerous and "toxic" and even (lord help us) a THREAT.
And calling him one, and claiming he has *victims* actively belittles the plight and trauma of women who have been sexually assaulted.
TL/DR: Pick your battles.