Topic: WCDT 22 - 26 December 2014 (Strips 2860-2864) (Read 22837 times)

ysth · « **Reply #50 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 17:53 »

Quote from: Gladstone on 22 Dec 2014, 16:41

Violence is fine as long as all parties consent, like when two men on pay-per-view hit each other for fun or money. It's highly unlikely that either participant is there against their will. Whereas the person on the receiving end of violence in an abusive relationship would really prefer not to be hit. I can't believe anyone even needs to explain the difference to you.

But in the case being brought to our attention (ST vs YB), it appears consensual too. So your argument would seem to fail.

~~valkygrrl~~ · « **Reply #51 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 17:54 »

Comic. Brings to mind a Larry Correia story. Guns and not much else so far.

ysth · « **Reply #52 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 17:57 »

Potato Masher

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #53 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 18:16 »

Prediction: tomorrow we find out it's an average lover's spat for them.

Gladstone · « **Reply #54 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 18:17 »

Quote from: ysth on 22 Dec 2014, 17:53

But in the case being brought to our attention (ST vs YB), it appears consensual too. So your argument would seem to fail.

Consensual, perhaps, but I'll admit that seeing the first panel yesterday did make me pause a moment. But theirs is an equally-antagonistic relationship, and as Undrneath said

Quote from: Undrneath on 22 Dec 2014, 08:39

Not a fan of violence against women in any way but at least she is giving better than she got.

Also, my first thought today was "Wait, that house explosion looks vaguely familiar..." And we should all count our blessings that Yelling Bird and Sweet-Tits haven't found each others' resonant frequency.

(Yet.)

jwhouk · « **Reply #55 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 18:27 »

Boom.

Mayonnaise.

osaka · « **Reply #56 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 18:48 »

Huh. I though Yelling Bird was more about firing machine guns at other machine guns.

hedgie · « **Reply #57 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 18:54 »

Quote from: SubaruStephen on 22 Dec 2014, 18:16

Prediction: tomorrow we find out it's an average lover's spat for them.

I certainly wouldn't want to live anywhere near them. Especially when the bullets start flying and stuff starts going "boom". The way this is going, tomorrow will be nukes and orbital bombardment.

DSL · « **Reply #58 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:36 »

YB seems to be electric and apolitical in his choice of weapons, favoring both Israeli and vintage German munitions. Guess the camera rule applies: The best gun or grenade is the one you have with you.

Half Empty Coffee Cup · « **Reply #59 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:48 »

Looks like we've got an arms race. Next strip, I predict... artillery.

Kugai · « **Reply #60 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:50 »

Tanks

hedgie · « **Reply #61 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:53 »

Submacopter?

Kugai · « **Reply #62 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:54 »

With Raven at the Weapons Controls?

~~valkygrrl~~ · « **Reply #63 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 19:59 »

Quote from: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 22 Dec 2014, 19:48

Looks like we've got an arms race. Next strip, I predict... artillery.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #64 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 20:07 »

Quote from: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 22 Dec 2014, 19:48

Looks like we've got an arms race. Next strip, I predict... artillery.

Pintsize's long lost blaster?

tragic_pizza · « **Reply #65 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 20:29 »

Quote from: Roxtar on 22 Dec 2014, 15:38

Quote from: Neko_Ali on 22 Dec 2014, 15:20
The difference being that violence against women is often normalized.

I constantly see ads for battered womens shelters and the like
I also constantly see fights between men being televised and sold on pay-per-view.

edit:
seriously... we men are taught from childhood: "don't hit girls"... violence against women is vilified above all else save violence against children.
tell me again how violence against women is more "normalized" than violence against men?

if you're going to be against violence, be against violence... not just violence against (subset of humanity X)

Sorry for not properly articulating a holistic viewpoint, and thus earning your ire.

DSL · « **Reply #66 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 20:50 »

Quote from: Kugai on 22 Dec 2014, 19:50

Tanks

You're welcome.

Wimblesaurus · « **Reply #67 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 21:54 »

Quote from: DSL on 22 Dec 2014, 19:36

YB seems to be electric and apolitical in his choice of weapons, favoring both Israeli and vintage German munitions. Guess the camera rule applies: The best gun or grenade is the one you have with you.

Those are MACs. Uziel Gal had nothing to do with them.

In other news, that's a tastefully tacticool AR-15 ST is holding. Jeph's drawing style makes for some surprisingly cool-looking guns.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #68 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 22:40 »

Putting the art in artillery.

BenRG · « **Reply #69 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 23:17 »

This, ladies and gentleman, illustrates in one easy lesson why escalation is a bad thing.

Given the size of that explosion, I'm thinking that those two will be looking for alternative housing over the holidays!

hedgie · « **Reply #70 on:** 22 Dec 2014, 23:28 »

Or that housing might just end up being a pine box. Or a cigar box, in Yelling Bird's case.

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #71 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 00:29 »

Quote from: Wimblesaurus on 22 Dec 2014, 21:54

In other news, that's a tastefully tacticool AR-15 ST is holding. Jeph's drawing style makes for some surprisingly cool-looking guns.

Tastefully tacticool is a contradiction in terms.

Akima · « **Reply #72 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 00:50 »

Quote from: Roxtar on 22 Dec 2014, 15:38

seriously... we men are taught from childhood: "don't hit girls"... violence against women is vilified above all else save violence against children.

In a tiny subset of humanity, restricted by geography, culture, history and socio-economic status. Talking about this walled garden as if it were somehow universal, or even usual, is dubious. If you're going to be against violence, be against violence everywhere, not just violence in your neck of the woods. However, violence against men is very much normalised, and we don't have to look at boxing matches on pay-per-view to see it. Men are much more frequently the victims of violence than women. The extent to which we don't realise that, or don't think it is as important as violence against women, is a measure of its normalisation. From last week's edition of The Economist:

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The crucial problem, it seems to me, is that even the most house-broken of societies normalise the idea that men should be violent, and that as a result violence against men, and violence against women, most often comes from the same source. That's not to say that women are never violent, but a glance at the statistics on violent crime tells you which way to bet.

I can't read the text on YB's stick-grenade. At first I thought it was "Vorsprung durch Technik" but I suppose, if it were, that copyright lawyers would be calling on Jeph to say 'Audi!

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #73 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 01:21 »

Quote

Stick grenades were stored in cases for transport, and their fuse assemblies inserted prior to going into combat — a reminder for the user was stenciled on each explosive charge
("Vor Gebrauch Sprengkapsel einsetzen", in English: "Before use insert detonator").

BenRG · « **Reply #74 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 01:38 »

Quote from: SubaruStephen on 23 Dec 2014, 01:21

Quote
Stick grenades were stored in cases for transport, and their fuse assemblies inserted prior to going into combat — a reminder for the user was stenciled on each explosive charge
("Vor Gebrauch Sprengkapsel einsetzen", in English: "Before use insert detonator").

The Wermacht clearly institutionalised the concept of 'idiot-proofing'.

Loki · « **Reply #75 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 01:42 »

Wehrmacht (defense force - not wereforce [emoji14])

ReindeerFlotilla · « **Reply #76 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 01:53 »

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Eh. "Violence against Women" encapsulates the concept "Men being violent towards women." To actually have double standard here, we'd need to have epidemic issues of "women being violent towards men." We don't.

That ought to be enough, but it probably isn't. It's important to understand that women are in a disadvantaged position here. The system doesn't work for them. Specific political efforts targeting violence against women acknowledge that. Such eforts are necessary. Unless you have a plan that will stamp out violence over the next few years.

Moving away from the politics of law to the politics of social "conversation" (whatever that means), the focus on violence against women does spring from the erroneous position that relative lack of violence from women is natural state--a default position, if you will. I doubt anyone would disagree that men are more apt to be violent because they are socialized to believe violence is acceptable. Women are generally pressured to accept violence is not acceptable.

The issue here is that women are socialized to non-violence via the application of violence. (Similarly, men are socialized by the same means, but with a different end in mind.) Violence isn't the only method, but it's among them.

It's basically meaningless to say "be against all violence" when we don't really understand how violence weaves into human development. Because we don't really understand human development.

People don't respond well to abstractions. Try to explain to a person who doesn't already agree how racism and sexism live in the unconscious these days, and they'll just nod and keep doing the same shit, without actually thinking about how their shit is part of the problem.

People like things simplified. You don't get much simpler than "Violence against women." It's broad enough to encapsulate a lot of things, while remain specific enough to be accepted a bad thing.

I'd really like say that Violence was the issue (because, technically, it is), but from the practical standpoint, I know that I can safely point out issues without fear of certain kinds of retaliation simply by establishing the existence of my penis. Women, saying the same things, are targeted with threats of physical attack, harassment, rape, and death. This has happened so often of late that it seems absolutely absurd to me that anyone could view efforts to underline this problem as a double standard of any kind. The double standard is in the fact that my penis is a shield against violence.

Because seriously. That's not what it's for.

No one expected to come into this thread and think about my penis.

You're welcome.

MrNumbers · « **Reply #77 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 05:01 »

You just know Shame Orb is going to weigh in on this, and everyone's going to feel just awful about it.

You know, until they kill Shame Orb.

BenRG · « **Reply #78 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 05:15 »

Quote from: MrNumbers on 23 Dec 2014, 05:01

You just know Shame Orb is going to weigh in on this, and everyone's going to feel just awful about it.

I'm pretty sure that Shame and Randy were only 'not in' the first instalment. I'm pretty sure they'll come home to find that Harriet and YB have flattened the place.

dexeron · « **Reply #79 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 06:31 »

I'm really hoping that this somehow turns into some absurd YB/ST version of "The Gift of the Magi."

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #80 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 09:18 »

Global Moderator Comment It's mostly being well handled, but the discussion of real-world violence is too big an issue to fit in a comic discussion thread. Please move the discussion to Discuss.

Xader · « **Reply #81 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 09:37 »

Quote from: valkygrrl on 22 Dec 2014, 17:54

Comic. Brings to mind a Larry Correia story. Guns and not much else so far.

Oh, come now.

The Monster Hunter books are just great fun!

Kugai · « **Reply #82 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 14:48 »

Quote from: DSL on 22 Dec 2014, 20:50

Quote from: Kugai on 22 Dec 2014, 19:50
Tanks

You're welcome.

Noooo trouble atall atall atall

DSL · « **Reply #83 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 15:35 »

Quote from: Kugai on 23 Dec 2014, 14:48

Quote from: DSL on 22 Dec 2014, 20:50
Quote from: Kugai on 22 Dec 2014, 19:50
Tanks

You're welcome.

Noooo trouble atall atall atall

If Harriet and the Dickcissel take a nuclear option, we'll edit that to "no atoll, at all."

Kugai · « **Reply #84 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 16:55 »

Diddley dee

jwhouk · « **Reply #85 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 19:57 »

HONK.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #86 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 20:18 »

Randy being here would be too much escalation.

hedgie · « **Reply #87 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 20:18 »

Has bandicoot teleportation somehow made Sweet Tits and Yelling Bird eternal as well? Considering that they're the only things still standing after that first explosion.

~~valkygrrl~~ · « **Reply #88 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 21:47 »

Quote from: Xader on 23 Dec 2014, 09:37

Quote from: valkygrrl on 22 Dec 2014, 17:54
Comic. Brings to mind a Larry Correia story. Guns and not much else so far.

Oh, come now.

The Monster Hunter books are just great fun!

Not my taste, but if gun porn works for you that's cool.

I'll stick to books that have a woman holding a sword and seated atop a horse on the cover.

Orkboy · « **Reply #89 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 22:06 »

... Explosions don't go honk...

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #90 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 22:09 »

Black and white, wrong sound for explosion... I got it, it's a dream, next comic has someone waking up (in color).

Quote from: valkygrrl on 23 Dec 2014, 21:47

I'll stick to books that have a woman holding a sword and seated atop a horse on the cover.

What's that old saying about books and their covers?
Oh, yeah it's: "Boris Vallejo rules!"

BenRG · « **Reply #91 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 23:11 »

Quote from: SubaruStephen on 23 Dec 2014, 22:09

Black and white, wrong sound for explosion... I got it, it's a dream, next comic has someone waking up (in color).

Yeah, that's the feeling that I get too. Harriet is probably being awoken by YB's air horn. Again.

Indicible · « **Reply #92 on:** 23 Dec 2014, 23:56 »

A air horn he will wield in its sphincter and play by farting (of course...).

Schwungrad · « **Reply #93 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 04:26 »

Quote from: DSL on 23 Dec 2014, 15:35

Quote from: Kugai on 23 Dec 2014, 14:48
Quote from: DSL on 22 Dec 2014, 20:50
Quote from: Kugai on 22 Dec 2014, 19:50
Tanks

You're welcome.

Noooo trouble atall atall atall
If Harriet and the Dickcissel take a nuclear option, we'll edit that to "no atoll, at all."

No trouble at all, at all the atolls.

ZoeB · « **Reply #94 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 04:43 »

They heart Jesus?

ysth · « **Reply #95 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 09:20 »

Quote from: Orkboy on 23 Dec 2014, 22:06

... Explosions don't go honk...

or produce what looked to me at first like a big egg.

Will Sweet Bird and Yelling Tits hatch out of it?

Orkboy · « **Reply #96 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 11:00 »

Quote from: ysth on 24 Dec 2014, 09:20

Quote from: Orkboy on 23 Dec 2014, 22:06
... Explosions don't go honk...
or produce what looked to me at first like a big egg.

Will Sweet Bird and Yelling Tits hatch out of it?

Well, the initial shockwave will be roughly spherical, depending partly on how high off the ground the epicenter is, and a sufficiently powerful explosion can produce a shockwave that outruns its own debris and shrapnel, which could explain the unblemished roundness. And also, Our Benevolent Comic Overlord doesn't draw a lot of explosions, so he might just need more practice to make it look explody.

Kugai · « **Reply #97 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 11:57 »

Honk?

OMG!!! The Christmas Goose of Doom has arrived!!!!

Head for the Bunkers!!!!!!!

Storel · « **Reply #98 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 12:13 »

That is one big honkin' explosion...

katsmeat · « **Reply #99 on:** 24 Dec 2014, 14:26 »

For some reason, mention of the German stick grenade made me think of this

3m 45 s if you're the impatient sort.

And kudos to the people who made it, Viv even triggers it the right way by pulling a cord ( or so I gather from Wikipedia).

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Author Topic: WCDT 22 - 26 December 2014 (Strips 2860-2864) (Read 22837 times)