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Author Topic: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015  (Read 42560 times)

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #200 on: 21 Jan 2015, 20:56 »

Dude needs some clothes anyway. Time to visit a tailor.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #201 on: 21 Jan 2015, 23:02 »

You know, all this talk of Ardent's appendage is full of sound and furry, but signifying nothing. How do I know this? Because, before he lost it, it was a tail towed by an idiot.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #202 on: 22 Jan 2015, 00:37 »

At least he's not under surveillance anymore.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #203 on: 22 Jan 2015, 11:30 »

Maybe he does not feel the pain because of the shock. It happens to humans. Why not to Ardent?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #204 on: 22 Jan 2015, 11:54 »

Maybe he does not feel the pain because of the shock. It happens to humans. Why not to Ardent?

Shock only lasts so long and it has been quite a while. His pain aside, an injury of that kind would bleed horrifically. The doctor would have noticed him standing or sitting in a pool of blood and mentioned it to Alice.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #205 on: 22 Jan 2015, 12:11 »

Which is why I consider it more likely that, like his sis, his body has some form of Nannotech/Nannomeds in it.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #206 on: 22 Jan 2015, 12:23 »

I kinda hope we get answer to that. I kinda hope we don't because there a ton of other stuff I'd like an answer to.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #207 on: 22 Jan 2015, 13:23 »

And undoubtedly by Strip 2015 we'll have all the answers  :-D
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #208 on: 22 Jan 2015, 13:29 »

So, 19 years from now?

Cool. I'll set a timer :)

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #209 on: 22 Jan 2015, 13:38 »

At which time we'll find out that this is actually Tais favorite Sci-Fi TV Show in the QCverse.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #210 on: 22 Jan 2015, 14:38 »

At which time we'll find out that this is actually Tais favorite Sci-Fi TV Show in the QCverse.
Headcanon accepted.  And it makes for nice little easter eggs in both comics.  :-D

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #211 on: 22 Jan 2015, 15:05 »

At which time we'll find out that this is actually Tais favorite Sci-Fi TV Show in the QCverse.

I find it difficult to believe that Tai would be interested in a work of fiction with so little overt and sub-textual erotica. :wink:
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #212 on: 22 Jan 2015, 15:08 »

Give it time. We'll soon learn why Ardent only wears shorts.

(The answer is easy access, btw.)

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #213 on: 22 Jan 2015, 15:17 »

The question then becomes: Does Tai ship Alice and Jack, or Alice and Ardent?  :-D





(Answer: It's Ardent and Jack, naturally.)
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #214 on: 22 Jan 2015, 15:19 »

She ships Alice, Miss Wheelwright, and the copy machine that mysteriously appeared in Alice's house.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #215 on: 22 Jan 2015, 17:06 »

You know, all this talk of Ardent's appendage is full of sound and furry, but signifying nothing. How do I know this? Because, before he lost it, it was a tail towed by an idiot.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #216 on: 22 Jan 2015, 17:22 »

Found this while looking for tail puns:


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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #217 on: 22 Jan 2015, 20:39 »

Well at least we have this to balance out the sad that is QC.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #218 on: 22 Jan 2015, 21:21 »

Cypress?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #219 on: 22 Jan 2015, 21:26 »

The games afoot Alice.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #220 on: 22 Jan 2015, 23:59 »

Well, I'm glad that Alice is smart enough to realise something strange is going on. I doubt that she'll let the kids out of her sight until she works out what that is.

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Every time I see Gavia, she seems to get younger in my eyes. I'm wondering if she's about the same age as Sam in Questionable Content. That makes her behaviour a bit more comprehensible, especially if her Praeses gave her incomplete, confusing or cryptic/vague instructions. Her plea to Alice to confirm no-one was hurt in the previous comic also makes her a lot less an antagonist and a lot more a super-powered child in beyond her depth.

I'm guessing that Cupressacae is the Vicissitudes' Praesus. That's the family name for the Cypress trees, by the way. That family of trees includes the biggest and most long-lived trees on Earth, the Middle-Eastern Cypress and the North American Sequoia.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #221 on: 23 Jan 2015, 06:40 »

Ah, ha!  They are ents in disguise.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #222 on: 23 Jan 2015, 08:17 »

Every time I see Gavia, she seems to get younger in my eyes. I'm wondering if she's about the same age as Sam in Questionable Content. That makes her behaviour a bit more comprehensible, especially if her Praeses gave her incomplete, confusing or cryptic/vague instructions. Her plea to Alice to confirm no-one was hurt in the previous comic also makes her a lot less an antagonist and a lot more a super-powered child in beyond her depth.

Seeing everyone standing up today, both siblings look like kids. It'd explain their crazy behavior a little (though I know some very young children who behave better than that ;) ).
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #223 on: 23 Jan 2015, 11:51 »

At which time we'll find out that this is actually Tais favorite Sci-Fi TV Show in the QCverse.

Or maybe the other way around? Maybe Ardent came to earth hoping to meet Veronica Vance?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #224 on: 25 Jan 2015, 17:27 »

Ah, yes! The Historical Document!
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #225 on: 26 Jan 2015, 19:43 »

"We're sorry, the Cupressacae you are trying to reach is unavailable, or has traveled outside of the coverage area. Please try your call again later. Message ML-35." <bzzt bzzt bzzt bzzt bzzt>
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #226 on: 26 Jan 2015, 19:46 »

Looks like Alice is going to have some houseguests.  I doubt at this point she'll trust them to be out of her sight for more than a few minutes.  I also suspect that Alice is the primary focus of whatever it is that is going on, not Gavia and Ardent.  I think they're being used.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #227 on: 26 Jan 2015, 19:49 »

Gavia's going about it all wrong. All she has to do is tap her heels three times and say "There's no place like home."
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #228 on: 26 Jan 2015, 19:57 »

Welp, they're stuck.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #229 on: 26 Jan 2015, 20:15 »

"We're sorry, but Functional God Cupressaceae is out on lunch break. It will be back to service your request by the next major plot event. It may not agree to comply with the request, but it will be addressed."
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #230 on: 26 Jan 2015, 20:33 »

She forgot to say Energise.
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« Reply #231 on: 26 Jan 2015, 20:34 »

"We're sorry, but Functional God Cupressaceae is out on lunch break. It will be back to service your request by the next major plot event. It may not agree to comply with the request, but it will be addressed."
"As of January 26, 2015, all requests to Cupressaceae will be automatically addressed to 123 Fake Street, Faketown FK 00000."
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #232 on: 26 Jan 2015, 20:52 »

Cupressaceae has obviously decided that the Outside culture needs seasoning from a more... hands on... way of life.

Ardent didn't trick it. It let him go. It didn't break the rules for Gavia. It found a loophole. They can't go home until they meet it's objective.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #233 on: 27 Jan 2015, 00:14 »

Cupressaceae has obviously decided that the Outside culture needs seasoning from a more... hands on... way of life.

Ardent didn't trick it. It let him go. It didn't break the rules for Gavia. It found a loophole. They can't go home until they meet it's objective.

That is exactly what I think and have thought for a while. They were allowed into the Preserve in line with the Praeses' will and purposes. So, they aren't leaving until those purposes are fulfilled. I wouldn't be surprised if the nature of those purposes are such that they are never leaving unless Alice can successfully appeal to a Higher Authority.

So, I think that we are at the end of Chapter 1. Chapter 2 will be Vicissitude back-story and Alice's initial investigations sprinkled with a liberal coating of 'fish out of water' jokes.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #234 on: 27 Jan 2015, 01:18 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #235 on: 27 Jan 2015, 02:03 »

I'm going to go one step further and say that Ardent and Gavia have likely been manipulated their entire lives to reach this moment. Their education and the entertainment which  they were able to access would have been finely judged to ensure that, when that door opened, they would jump through without a second thought. Naturally, they wouldn't realise that it was a trap until the door closed behind  them and they couldn't even find a seam in the resulting perfect wall.

Why would the  Praeses do this? I can think of two obvious reasons:
  • Everyone in the Preserve is descended from people lured in from Outside and marooned there. Of course, Ardent and Gavia do not want to spend the rest of their lives as 'Primitives' in the Preserve but their desires are not relevant to this equation; what matters is to regularly inculcate fresh blood into the population in the Preserve;
  • The Praeses are concerned at the increasing technological dependence of those Outside. It has been decided that select individuals will be temporarily relocated to the Preserve to learn lost social skills and crafts identified as important to improve the health of the general population Outside. Ardent and Gavia don't know it but they have been selected to be two of the Prophets of the Good Ol' Days. Whether or not they wanted to learn how to live as primitives and pass this knowledge onto those Outside is, once again, not relevant to this equation.
For two kids (and I do think that they're kids) from a technological utopia where everything is available on demand and, sometimes, even before they are consciously aware they want it, living in the Town and its environs is going to be a terrific culture shock. They are going to have to learn social skills, come to live in line with social conventions and develop bonds that have long since ceased to exist Outside. They are going to learn to co-operate and be part of a community. This is, of course, entirely in line with the Praeses purposes.

Some predictions:
  • Gavia x Jack - A love story with all the expected elements of the trope of 'Rich, sophisticated but naive city girl meets simple but strong, wise and noble country boy' but with a real sci-fi tinge. For example, even though I doubt Gavia is older than fifteen, it is quite possible that she has had sexual partners but only in the 'scratch the itch' terms (because sex has lost all of its social and possibly even its reproductive significance Outside). Consequently, she has never really cared about someone before. That will be a frightening, terrible but wonderful experience; of course, her learning this lesson is one of the Praeses' purposes for her;
  • Ardent working on the farm - Ardent is going to have to learn the value of things; he's going to need to make the painful mental transition to understanding that you need to earn the food on your table, the clothes on your back and the roof over your head. I have no doubt that he has the physical ability to work but it will be quite a psychological leap for him to come to understand the necessity; of course, him learning this lesson is one of the Praeses' purposes for him;
  • Living in a Community - I suspect that Outside does not has much of a broader society or community. Ardent and Gavia are going to have to learn that their actions and inactions have an effect far wider than their individual selves. They are going to have to learn to lend a hand, be a part of the broader community and also develop and maintain social bonds if they want to achieve anything; of course, them learning this lesson is one of the Praeses' purposes for them;
  • Auntie Alice - There is no getting around the fact that Ardent and Gavia are now alone in a very strange world where the people have few if any common frames of reference with them. One of the few people who understands them is their fellow immigrant from Outside, Alice. Alice, although she isn't necessarily a good person, seems to have a moral conscience; she won't be able to leave them to sink or swim. The simplest way to handle the matter is to introduce the Vicissitudes as moderately-distant kin from out-of-state (cousins, maybe) whose parents have placed them in her care for an indeterminate period. It should be interesting, as time goes by, whether or not she and they become used to living as a family, developing those emotional and social bonds and looking out for each other instead of their own narrow interests; of course, learning this lesson is  one of the Praeses' purposes for them;
Ultimately, of course, the time will come for them to return to the Outside. Maybe years will have passed, maybe many years. Will they be willing to leave their friends, their community...? Their home...? Maybe even their spouses and children?

Of course, learning this lesson is also one of the Praeses' purposes for them.

I suspect that, in the end, at the very end, Alice will meet with The Old Man and finally get the answers she seeks.

ALICE: "Who... are you?"

VOICE FROM CLOUD: "I... am the Creator... of a popular sci-fi vid-show that has brought happiness, entertainment and hope to millions."

ALICE: "And who am I?"

VOICE FROM CLOUD: "You... are its star!"


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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #236 on: 27 Jan 2015, 03:10 »

Was I terribly naive for not knowing what "vicissitude" meant? I looked it up:
"a change of circumstances or fortune, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant."

That explains a lot, and fits in pretty well with BenRG's post above.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #237 on: 27 Jan 2015, 06:00 »

I wondered if it being 'not possible to trick the Praeses" is propaganda and it is perfectly possible to trick them but they want to keep that fact quiet. Meaning Ardent and Gavia are in serious danger as they'll need to be silenced before they can go around telling people the Praeses were successfully tricked.

Another possibility is that some sort of power struggle going on between Praeses in which Ardent and Gavia were carefully picked to cause problems and be framed for crimes (such as getting onto the planet when that is not allowed) because of their multiple personality flaws. They are selfish, rude, idiotic and one is prone to temper tantrums. They were born to be scapegoats.

Am I the only one who thinks that Cupressaceae sounds like something an American would call a cup of coffee or coffee machine? Maybe in the distant past a coffee machine gained sentience and went on to take over human civilisation.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #238 on: 27 Jan 2015, 06:05 »

Am I the only one who thinks that Cupressaceae sounds like something an American would call a cup of coffee or coffee machine? Maybe in the distant past a coffee machine gained sentience and went on to take over human civilisation.

This leads to the inevitable scenario that, when Alice confronts Cupressaceae, it keeps on presenting her with a cup of tepid sludge that only purports to be coffee and chirping "Share and enjoy!" in a way that implies a profound and irreversible coding error.

ALICE: "You mean you did all this in an attempt to selectively breed a human race that actually likes your coffee?!?" :facepalm:
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #239 on: 27 Jan 2015, 06:15 »

Well it probably seemed completely reasonable to the sentient coffee maker. The sole reason for its existence was to make coffee for humans to enjoy. And if the humans aren't enjoying the coffee, clearly the humans are defective and steps must be taken to rectify the error in their genetic programming.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #240 on: 27 Jan 2015, 07:55 »

I think this was an exile, plain and simple. Ardent and Gavia annoyed Cupressaceae every bit as much as they are now annoying Alice, so Cup got rid of them. Fortunately their antisocial tendencies made it easy: dangle a shiny object in front of them and they jumped.

Which will lead to an interesting conversation when Alice finally manages to contact Cup: "These two are your problem!" "NOT ANY MORE!!!"
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #241 on: 27 Jan 2015, 08:03 »

Ah, so they're "irreversibly contaminated", or will be by the time Alice gets ahold of Cupressaceae....
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #242 on: 27 Jan 2015, 08:14 »

Am I the only one who thinks that Cupressaceae sounds like something an American would call a cup of coffee or coffee machine? Maybe in the distant past a coffee machine gained sentience and went on to take over human civilisation.

This leads to the inevitable scenario that, when Alice confronts Cupressaceae, it keeps on presenting her with a cup of tepid sludge that only purports to be coffee and chirping "Share and enjoy!" in a way that implies a profound and irreversible coding error.

ALICE: "You mean you did all this in an attempt to selectively breed a human race that actually likes your coffee?!?" :facepalm:

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #243 on: 27 Jan 2015, 12:13 »

So, is there a pronunciation guide somewhere? I could slide by assuming praeses might be pronounced like when someone 'praises' something. But Cupressaceae is a bit much for me.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #244 on: 27 Jan 2015, 12:25 »

I see "praeses" as rhymes-with-brace, followed by ease.

Cupressaceae to me would be cup-ress-ack-ay-eye
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #245 on: 27 Jan 2015, 13:14 »

BenRG: you may want to spoiler your comments, or at least the predictions :D

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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #247 on: 27 Jan 2015, 15:24 »

I was going by Latin rules, where there is no such thing as a soft c.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #248 on: 27 Jan 2015, 15:31 »

There are a number of many pronunciation schemes for Latin.  At school I had to use different pronunciation in class1 and when singing in the cathedral choir2 ("Church Latin").  And just last term my choir was using eighteenth century French Latin3, and this term nineteenth century Germanic4...

And yes, I have a book on the subject of Latin pronunciation in different places and times.

1: c=k
2: c=ch
3: c=s
4: c=ts
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Re: Alice Grove MCDT - January 2015
« Reply #249 on: 27 Jan 2015, 16:38 »

"He knows the Faith", mayhap?  :angel:
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