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Emilton is a thing! What now?

Faye finds a new job
Hannelore has to play the role of Abyssina when Arthur comes into CoD
Emily and Claire talk boyfriends at work (aka 'filler')
Dora gets some unwelcome news (aka 'something unexpected')
Pintsize's singing dildo is a success! Can a companion Anthro PC legally own a business?
Someone is getting a new dad and it isn't necessarily Marten (aka 'something new')!

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WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« on: 19 Apr 2015, 05:16 »

Okay, I admit that I might be running a bit dry in terms of ideas here. :-P Any decent ideas will be gratefully accepted. I really haven't got a clue where Jeph may choose to go next week because, as far as I can tell, most, if not all, the likely plot threads for him to follow are tied off. The only ones left are basically minor, so I'm thinking that he may start something completely new.

(Just to flesh out option (4) - What if Dora's family respond to her cutting Sven out of her life by disowning her? It isn't inconceivable and it could lead into an interesting exploration of Dora's past and her relationship with her immediate family.)

FWIW, I'd really like for the garden party in Jeph's cast picture from last year to happen for real. Something about the thought of Momo having to be Sam's straight... er... 'bot and teen-sitter tickles my funny bone.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #1 on: 19 Apr 2015, 08:49 »

Re the option "Hannelore has to play the role of Abyssina when Arthur comes into CoD"  I've never been in a substance abuse encounter/self-help group, but wouldn't it be a very definite no-no for the organizer (or any other member)  to approach one of the members outside the group, and in front of her workmates to boot? (though I realize Hanners is not strictly speaking a member, the same should apply).
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #2 on: 19 Apr 2015, 09:02 »

He could come in by accident, thinking it was just another coffee shop.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #3 on: 19 Apr 2015, 09:40 »

He could come in by accident, thinking it was just another coffee shop.

This. As far I know, he'd have no way of knowing where any of the members work (part of the anonymity - hell, who knows who else was using an assumed name in the meeting besides Hanners and Faye?) unless he'd seen them before. Or he's some kind of stalky creeper type, which, since there's been no indication at all that we've seen him before, isn't a likely scenario.

Unless Jeph's going to pull a 'Too Many Cooks' scenario - where you don't even realize the psycho killer's appeared a dozen times previous to the part where he starts hacking people up.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #4 on: 19 Apr 2015, 09:48 »

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Emily and Claire talk boyfriends at work (aka 'filler')

I don't know about filler, could be, but depends how it's done. Maybe we could get more development out of Emily from this. She did slap a fool, but most of it was her smiling and being pretty while Clinton acted like a idiot.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #5 on: 19 Apr 2015, 12:25 »

Re the option "Hannelore has to play the role of Abyssina when Arthur comes into CoD"  I've never been in a substance abuse encounter/self-help group, but wouldn't it be a very definite no-no for the organizer (or any other member)  to approach one of the members outside the group, and in front of her workmates to boot? (though I realize Hanners is not strictly speaking a member, the same should apply).

I went through a Partial Hospitalization Program for depression last year so I will tell you what the rules of my program were.  If two patients meet outside of the program, we must pretend we have never met before.  We are not to talk to one another unless and until we are introduced by a third party.  If a patient and a counselor meet outside of the program, the patient may approach the counselor, but the counselor may not approach the patient.  These rules still apply to me even though I am no longer a patient at that program.  So if I were employed and Scary Counselor Margaret came into my place of work, she could not be like "hello Amy, have you been sufficiently mindful today?" but I would be like "oh crap it's Scary Counselor Margaret TIME TO ESCAPE."  Assuming Faye's group follows similar rules, then Arthur couldn't be like "hello Abyssinia, nice to see you" but Hannelore probably would be like "HELLO ARTHUR MY NAME IS STILL ABYSSINIA oh no oh no".
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #6 on: 19 Apr 2015, 14:28 »

Related to the comic's influence, from Twitter:

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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #7 on: 19 Apr 2015, 18:00 »

Arthur immediately knew fake names when he heard them. I doubt it's the first time it happened. He could let Hanners know she didn't have to keep up the charade: "Sometimes when people come in they don't want to share their real names. It's not a problem."

I'm thinking Faye's up for some story attention. She has no income stream, and will probably need to move out of her comfort zone to find employment. Could she start up a web business with Pintsize, maybe with content generated by Marten's mom? (ew). Or maybe something legit?

Or if not Faye, we could get hijinks with a chance meeting between MartenMom and ClaireMom. Imagine if MartenMom had something to do with ClaireMom's divorce.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #8 on: 19 Apr 2015, 18:55 »

Or if not Faye, we could get hijinks with a chance meeting between MartenMom and ClaireMom. Imagine if MartenMom had something to do with ClaireMom's divorce.

I think that'd be over the top for Jeph.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #9 on: 19 Apr 2015, 18:56 »


Unless Jeph's going to pull a 'Too Many Cooks' scenario - where you don't even realize the psycho killer's appeared a dozen times previous to the part where he starts hacking people up.

Ahem.  She.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #11 on: 19 Apr 2015, 20:44 »

Comic. The bird that yells.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #12 on: 19 Apr 2015, 20:51 »

Jeph in Canada, his buffer exhausted.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #13 on: 19 Apr 2015, 21:03 »

Apparently, Yelling Bird's supply of obscenities is exhausted as well.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #14 on: 19 Apr 2015, 21:15 »


Unless Jeph's going to pull a 'Too Many Cooks' scenario - where you don't even realize the psycho killer's appeared a dozen times previous to the part where he starts hacking people up.

Ahem.  She.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #15 on: 19 Apr 2015, 21:29 »

Maybe it's just me, or has the comic seemed to be getting less... graphic, lately? Pintsize seems to have chilled way out, Faye has mellowed (even though her drama quotient has gone a bit up) and even Yelling Bird is fairly tame. I might just be making a mountain out of a molehill though.

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« Reply #16 on: 19 Apr 2015, 21:59 »


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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #17 on: 19 Apr 2015, 22:23 »

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« Reply #18 on: 19 Apr 2015, 22:24 »

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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #19 on: 19 Apr 2015, 22:40 »

I always thought Saskatchewan was made up.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #20 on: 19 Apr 2015, 22:44 »

I always thought Saskatchewan was made up.

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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #21 on: 19 Apr 2015, 23:18 »

Somebody really, really ought to warn Yelling Bird about the dangers of getting 'facts' from those particular parts of the Internet!
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« Reply #22 on: 20 Apr 2015, 00:02 »

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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #23 on: 20 Apr 2015, 01:20 »

'The national bird of Canada is the apology' - I'm dying.

Side note, one of the only things I ever found funny from That 70s Show:
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #24 on: 20 Apr 2015, 01:23 »

Somebody really, really ought to warn Yelling Bird about the dangers of getting 'facts' from those particular parts of the Internet!

Yelling Bird is those parts of the Internet.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #25 on: 20 Apr 2015, 01:23 »

With nothing happening today, I thought I'd just mention some stuff that I'd like to see in future arcs in the strip:
  • Dora and Tai's first anniversary date;
  • Claire's graduation bash;
  • Faye produces an artistic masterpiece; she becomes the toast of the East Coast and this brings Angus (film crew attached) to do a satirical piece on her life and work; this quickly becomes a serious conflict of interest for him;
  • The Reed Family summer vacation (including Maurice, of course but also Claire, Jim and Sam because they're practically family anyway) in Florida (maybe the same hotel where GWS found a body; same 'special' beach too!);
  • Faye catches Hannelore smoking on the building's roof; it turns out that nicotine helps her handle her anxieties (she's a one- or two-a-day; more on bad days); she and Faye bond over mutual substance dependency issues.
Discuss!

Maybe it's just me, or has the comic seemed to be getting less... graphic, lately? Pintsize seems to have chilled way out, Faye has mellowed (even though her drama quotient has gone a bit up) and even Yelling Bird is fairly tame. I might just be making a mountain out of a molehill though.

Actually, I've got the feeling that this Yelling Bird strip is an unusual one. Normally, YB is something Jeph throws together in a few minutes on a bad day. Because of that, the monologue is usually an (obscene) stream-of-consciousness that doesn't really mean much to anyone except Jeph.

In this case, Jeph was saying on Twitter that he thought there'd be a YB because of the Calgary convention as early as two weekends back. I think that he planned this strip and scripted it well in advance, something that he normally doesn't do. That's why the jokes are... well... funnier and generally less obscene.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #26 on: 20 Apr 2015, 03:19 »

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« Reply #27 on: 20 Apr 2015, 04:35 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions.
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« Reply #28 on: 20 Apr 2015, 05:04 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions.

This is actually true of all so-called 'facts'. As codified in the Sosume Internet Debate Uncertainty Principle, there are no objectively-perceptible facts, only opinions and shades of perception which must be equally respected lest you turn a low-information poster with self-image issues into a defensive flamer.

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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #29 on: 20 Apr 2015, 05:07 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions apologies.

Isn't that more accurate?  :-D
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« Reply #30 on: 20 Apr 2015, 05:23 »

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« Reply #31 on: 20 Apr 2015, 06:16 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions apologies.

Isn't that more accurate?  :-D

It's certainly true that Canadians apologize for having stongly-held opinions, so in this case there may not be a difference.
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« Reply #32 on: 20 Apr 2015, 06:18 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions apologies.

Isn't that more accurate?  :-D
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« Reply #33 on: 20 Apr 2015, 06:21 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions.

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« Reply #34 on: 20 Apr 2015, 06:36 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions.

This is actually true of all so-called 'facts'. As codified in the Sosume Internet Debate Uncertainty Principle, there are no objectively-perceptible facts, only opinions and shades of perception which must be equally respected lest you turn a low-information poster with self-image issues into a defensive flamer.


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« Reply #35 on: 20 Apr 2015, 06:52 »

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« Reply #36 on: 20 Apr 2015, 07:02 »

Fact #1: There are no facts about Canada, only strongly-held opinions.

This is actually true of all so-called 'facts'. As codified in the Sosume Internet Debate Uncertainty Principle, there are no objectively-perceptible facts, only opinions and shades of perception which must be equally respected lest you turn a low-information poster with self-image issues into a defensive flamer.


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AH! But is reality just what we perceive? Our human perceptions are fallible, so does that mean reality is different for every person? If so, what is real?

The answer to hard solipsism is it is impossible to know if I'm a brain in a jar so there's nothing lost in assuming reality is real.

If you mean perceptions can be flawed such as with some kinds of mental illness, there are ways to find out if your perceptions are wrong. Other people and the use of technology. If I think it is dark and no one else does, if a light meter says it is not then then problem is in my perception not with reality.  We check, we test, we measure, we prove. Unless you think all my inputs are screwed either on a hardware or firmware level at which point there's no point in worrying. If I only see lions, only feel lions, only hear and smell lions and nothing can get through and I can't even tell myself that there cannot be lions well, I'm well and truly screwed. Reality would still be real though and I'd really be locked in a rubber room.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #37 on: 20 Apr 2015, 07:04 »

While it's fun to think about reality only existing as a fuzzy haze of occasionally-intersecting individual perceptual universes, you can't actually live your life that way. Though some people do seem to try.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #38 on: 20 Apr 2015, 07:10 »

I was thinking more in line with the way memory works, or rather degrades. What we remember is equal to what we know, but if our memories are inaccurate, do we know what is?

I'm in favor of data, but things being subjectively valuable, it can't capture everything.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #39 on: 20 Apr 2015, 07:30 »

While it's fun to think about reality only existing as a fuzzy haze of occasionally-intersecting individual perceptual universes, you can't actually live your life that way. Though some people do seem to try.

Well, I mean, it's not when referring to the actual world. That's where science comes in to explain physics, chemistry, etcetera.

Individual dynamics, though, conscious minds... Yeah, I think you probably could.

Two people see the same thing, but due to their different biochemistry and past histories, they read different meanings into it. Two years later, assuming it was a shocking enough thing that they still think about it, they'll recall different details, mis-remember different things. If you asked them each to describe the scene, they'd paint two different pictures, but the thing is, neither of those pictures would be accurate.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #40 on: 20 Apr 2015, 07:50 »

That's a different question. Reality is real. Memory and the mind are also real as they are stored as part of your brain's internal workings. I don't see anyone claiming memory is necessarily accurate.

Here's another way to look at it. I place a rock on a table. Then all of humanity and any other minds that happen in the universe disappear even what passed for a mind in rodents, and for fun plants will disappear too, nothing living and no sentient AIs.

The rock will still be on the table because the rest of the universe is still there even with nothing to perceive it, even with the concepts of rock and table gone those things would still exist. Because reality is real.

That which is, is
That which is not, is not

or to paraphrase Matt Dillahunty. ..

A is always equal to A. A is never equal to not A.

And no one asked about the second rule of valkygrrl club. *sniffle*
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #41 on: 20 Apr 2015, 08:37 »

My point is that memory is the only way we can experience anything that's not this exact moment in time. The facts of reality are solid; they don't change, but what is considered to be reality does, in fact. We know now not to give a pregnant woman thalidomide to help with morning sickness, but there was a time in the past when it was considered a good idea. It wasn't, but to them, it was.

Subjective "reality," is a good way to put it, the quotation marks indicating it's not the same as reality.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, I'd just like to suggest that the reality in the mind is different, not on a fundamental level, but in the nuances, from fact-based reality.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #42 on: 20 Apr 2015, 08:57 »

See what you did, Jeph? One day of YB and the whole fucking forum's disappeared through a philosophical portal into what-the-fuck-is-going-on.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #43 on: 20 Apr 2015, 09:06 »

And no one asked about the second rule of valkygrrl club. *sniffle*

Is it that nobody talks about the valkygrrl club?
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #44 on: 20 Apr 2015, 09:51 »

Maybe it's just me, or has the comic seemed to be getting less... graphic, lately? Pintsize seems to have chilled way out, Faye has mellowed (even though her drama quotient has gone a bit up) and even Yelling Bird is fairly tame. I might just be making a mountain out of a molehill though.

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Less Funny More Feels seems to be the order of the day recent. Can't say I enjoy it.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #45 on: 20 Apr 2015, 10:32 »

the whole fucking forum's disappeared through a philosophical portal into what-the-fuck-is-going-on.
This is new?
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #46 on: 20 Apr 2015, 10:58 »

And no one asked about the second rule of valkygrrl club. *sniffle*

I thought the second rule of the valkygrrl club was "Don't ask about the second rule of the valkygrrl club."
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #47 on: 20 Apr 2015, 12:10 »

My point is that memory is the only way we can experience anything that's not this exact moment in time. The facts of reality are solid; they don't change, but what is considered to be reality does, in fact. We know now not to give a pregnant woman thalidomide to help with morning sickness, but there was a time in the past when it was considered a good idea. It wasn't, but to them, it was.

Subjective "reality," is a good way to put it, the quotation marks indicating it's not the same as reality.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, I'd just like to suggest that the reality in the mind is different, not on a fundamental level, but in the nuances, from fact-based reality.

For a more detailed take on the same idea, you could try James Burke's old series "The Day The Universe Changed," which is on YouTube if you're interested. The premise of the series is that our view of reality is necessarily bounded by our model of what reality is. Learn something important that shifts your model of reality, and your whole universe changes with it. The series shows this happening over and over again through history. Burke himself is smart and funny, and the series is well worth your time (even if the YouTube version is slightly blurry).
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #48 on: 20 Apr 2015, 13:35 »

To let understanding stop at what cannot be understood is a high attainment. Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven.
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Re: WCDT 2942-2946 (20-24 April 2015)
« Reply #49 on: 20 Apr 2015, 15:49 »

And no one asked about the second rule of valkygrrl club. *sniffle*

I thought the second rule of the valkygrrl club was "Don't ask about the second rule of the valkygrrl club."

If so, we're violating it now.
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