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So... Things are getting a little tense here...

Faye and Bubbles get into a fight; Marten arrives to see Bubbles frantically giving Faye CPR (Damn you Willis!);
Bubbles nearly snaps something of Faye's and ends up having a nervous break-down;
A week of random guest strips just to troll us all;
Bubbles storms off and Faye starts doing detective work with Hannelore and Station's help;
Bubbles has a breakdown when Faye tells her that she wants "to help my new friend" and tells the whole terrible story;
Faye says 'screw you' and we never see Bubbles in the strip again;
Bubbles comes across as a whiny child; we realise she's not PTSD at all, just antisocial and self-pitying;
Inexplicably, the arc turns into a kind of alt-rock musical on the subject of Bubbles wanting "to be a real girl".

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #50 on: 12 Oct 2015, 20:27 »

Insightful Marten is insightful.

Yes, Faye, just because someone is named Bubbles that doesn't mean they will float.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #51 on: 12 Oct 2015, 20:32 »

On topic: I am very interested to see what happens the next time Faye and Bubbles work together.

Off topic:

I'm so sick of this damn introvert/extrovert dichotomy.

Technically, I am an introvert. I need quiet time to recharge.

However, I can go to parties, interact with people, etc. I enjoy parties. You find what works for you, what you are comfortable with. If you need to, you can push your boundaries.

Wrong. Not everyone.

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I'm just so tired of hearing people talk about introverts as though we are all social misanthropes who find parties (or social interaction in general) the most terrifying/unpleasant experience on earth. Maybe some people do find parties that way, but it isn't an all or nothing thing.

gah, I'm partly posting this out of an irritation that has been building for the last couple of years from all of the "introvert/extrovert" articles and I see plastered all over social media.
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What do you care, though? I was raped twice by the same man. I suffer from extreme social anxiety and agoraphobia as a result. Good for you that you can go to parties and interact. How dare you act as if those of us who find that sort of activity scary as hell to be be some sort of of social defectives that are reflecting badly on you. (mod edit: removed a statement of supreme exasperation that went personal)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #52 on: 12 Oct 2015, 20:44 »

I took a second look and it still sounds to me like his irritation is with pop psychology articles and not with you or others like you.

Agoraphobia is a different ball game from introversion, we should all be able to agree on that.

I cringe trying to imagine your experiences. I bet you have more in common with Bubbles than most of us do.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #53 on: 12 Oct 2015, 22:01 »

I think this is one battle Faye needs to not get involved in, she's too pushy  and Bubbles seems like she needs a lighter touch, someone with tact, and compassion... :facepalm:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #54 on: 12 Oct 2015, 22:23 »

I apologise for the part I've played in escalating this whole introvert/extrovert thing. It wasn't my best post. The whole thing, if it's anything at all, is of course a sliding scale, not a black and white thing. And not necessarily what people (including myself) think it is.

The part I was objecting to was the idea that if you don't regularly make friends at parties, then you're going to the "wrong parties." My response to it was a complete blunder, but my policy at parties is to employ one of two "party strategies." I either to stick with people I know like glue, or find one person I make a connection with and monopolise them for the entire time I'm there. Neither strategy has ever ended with me making a new friend, you may be surprised to learn. It's a purely short-term strategy. Point being, it really has nothing to do with the parties, and everything to do with me.

There are a number of places where I do make new friends - parties somehow will never be one of them. I really can't explain why.

Back to the comic - I'm now wondering what Faye is going to do from here. I can't quite imagine her simply leaving well enough alone.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #55 on: 12 Oct 2015, 23:28 »

One thing that you can always be sure of in QC - In the end, Marten understands people better than Faye can. Faye, after all, has spent most of her post-college life trying to avoid making connections, on a subconscious level at least.

Here's a thought about Bubbles - Why did her squadmates give her that nickname? I'm thinking that, way back when, her personality would have seemed more like Emily than anyone else. Just imagine what a naive, enthusiastic, intelligent and friendly personality would go through in war and you get some idea of how she became the being she is today.

On topic: I am very interested to see what happens the next time Faye and Bubbles work together.

It could be interesting. Bubbles might refuse to talk to Faye; she may even request that Corpse Witch fire one of them because she refuses to be in the same room as her "For her safety and mine".
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #56 on: 13 Oct 2015, 01:38 »

One thing that you can always be sure of in QC - In the end, Marten understands people better than Faye can. Faye, after all, has spent most of her post-college life trying to avoid making connections, on a subconscious level at least.

That right there is a rather excellent point.
Good to see he picked up at least one thing from being a world famous dominatrix' son (other than the rope binding of course).

But seriously, Marten has always been more clued into people than Faye ever has and he is more than likely the most emotionally stable of the cast. As it looks at the moment, Faye focussing on Bubbles and "fixing" her problems means that Faye doesn't have to look at her own life and wondering how the hell she bollixed everything up.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #57 on: 13 Oct 2015, 02:42 »

it isn't an all or nothing thing.

It's the human urge to classify vs the natural way that things fall along a continuum.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #58 on: 13 Oct 2015, 04:36 »

Meanwhile...
I got nervous when Faye came up with that "I need a drink!" line yesterday after Bubbles left.
I wasn't sure if she really meant to find a bottle, or whether it was an ironic moment of self-awareness where that thought was immediately replaced by "NO I DON'T!"
But now she's talking the Bubbles incident through with Marten, hopefully that moment will pass/has passed.
Hopefully...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #59 on: 13 Oct 2015, 05:58 »

I just hope we're finally finished with this deathly dull, one-note, thoroughly unpleasant character.
Agreed, wouldn't miss Faye at all.

Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #60 on: 13 Oct 2015, 06:01 »


Here's a thought about Bubbles - Why did her squadmates give her that nickname? I'm thinking that, way back when, her personality would have seemed more like Emily than anyone else. Just imagine what a naive, enthusiastic, intelligent and friendly personality would go through in war and you get some idea of how she became the being she is today.

Eh, somehow I doubt it. She probably got called "Bubbles" because she isn't cheerful and effervescent, and it amused them to call her something so opposite of her personality. It was probably something that came up during their specialization training (and is a lot kinder than some of the ones I've heard.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #61 on: 13 Oct 2015, 06:10 »

Bubbles' nick was surely meant to be ironic.  And this is really Jeph hitting the nail on the head: Bubbles is broken, knows why, and has sort of accepted it, and WILL NOT be fixed.

Reality can change, and Bubbles will be unchanging.  You sort of cement yourself into a role.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #62 on: 13 Oct 2015, 06:18 »

I wonder if AI in QC-verse can have memories removed and if so if Bubbles considered it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #63 on: 13 Oct 2015, 06:23 »

There's a good reason for believing that memory erasure either wouldn't work or would actually cause worse trauma to Bubbles.

Our memories aren't like tape recordings. They're a framework of multi-linked data points and I suspect that the AIs memories work in very much the same way. So, the first thing Bubbles would have is a lot of de-contextualised personality quirks and other memories floating around. Imagine how traumatised amnesiacs get when they have skills and reactions whose basis they can't remember; it would be the same for Bubbles.

Secondly, Bubbles will have a huge gap in her mind between certain clock points. She knows its there and she knows that it's something bad or they wouldn't have erased it. What is it? She might drive herself into a psychotic episode trying to find out or perhaps being afraid to find out (c.f. the original Total Recall).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #64 on: 13 Oct 2015, 07:49 »

I just hope we're finally finished with this deathly dull, one-note, thoroughly unpleasant character.
Agreed, wouldn't miss Faye at all.

Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #65 on: 13 Oct 2015, 08:05 »

Quote from: telsa(sic) on electriciantalk.com
Life is tough all over.

Especially if you don't like to be around people.

Those critters are just everywhere.

That made me think of Bubbles.

Would Raven be the right kind of company for Bubbles? She could fire up any curiosity Bubbles has left. She might be hard to intimidate.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #66 on: 13 Oct 2015, 14:53 »

It was a nice try Faye, but with Bubbles it may have been too much too soon with the issues she has.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #67 on: 13 Oct 2015, 15:13 »


Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #68 on: 13 Oct 2015, 15:55 »

That was actually pretty hilarious

I wonder what other strips could work with that theme?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #69 on: 13 Oct 2015, 17:38 »

However, I can go to parties, interact with people, etc. I enjoy parties. You find what works for you, what you are comfortable with. If you need to, you can push your boundaries.

Wrong. Not everyone.

Then you don't need to. rock on.
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I'm just so tired of hearing people talk about introverts as though we are all social misanthropes who find parties (or social interaction in general) the most terrifying/unpleasant experience on earth. Maybe some people do find parties that way, but it isn't an all or nothing thing.

gah, I'm partly posting this out of an irritation that has been building for the last couple of years from all of the "introvert/extrovert" articles and I see plastered all over social media.
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What do you care, though? I was raped twice by the same man. I suffer from extreme social anxiety and agoraphobia as a result. Good for you that you can go to parties and interact. How dare you act as if those of us who find that sort of activity scary as hell to be be some sort of of social defectives that are reflecting badly on you. (mod edit: removed a statement of supreme exasperation that went personal)

I care because it does reflect on me. Because I am an introvert, and we can come in many flavors. And for some reason there are all of these articles and posts talking about introverts as though we are more fragile than others, as though we are incapable of interacting "normally". Not that there is any such thing as normal. These also tend to paint extroverts as airheads that only care about partying and are incapable of any intellectual thoughts.

I'm so sorry that you had to go through those terrible experiences, and I can completely understand why/how they have shaped your worldview and changed how you interact with others. However, you wouldn't say that your way of interacting is solely due to the fact that you are an introvert, would you?

However, this is a bit off topic. If other people are interested, I would love to discuss this further in either Discuss or Relate.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #70 on: 13 Oct 2015, 18:14 »

Comic's up.

Faye is doing the right thing.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #71 on: 13 Oct 2015, 18:29 »

A crushing blow to the Flairten ship.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #72 on: 13 Oct 2015, 18:41 »

What is Momo reacting to in the first panel?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #73 on: 13 Oct 2015, 19:23 »

Probably something outrageously crude that May said.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #74 on: 13 Oct 2015, 19:39 »

Meanwhile at that same time and location...
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« Reply #75 on: 13 Oct 2015, 19:46 »

What is Momo reacting to in the first panel?

Rghfrgl's post.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #76 on: 13 Oct 2015, 19:50 »

Could be something May's doing. But she doesn't have that 'put on, but resigned to it' look. She's not disgusted enough for it to be Pintsize. I'm guessing... Open mouth tongue wrestling between Dale and Marigold?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #77 on: 13 Oct 2015, 20:15 »

Back to the comic - I'm now wondering what Faye is going to do from here. I can't quite imagine her simply leaving well enough alone.

No, she won't. I note that Faye doesn't have an "ass-" nickname for Bubbles yet. "Ass-bot" would be too easy. "Ass-muddle" maybe?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #78 on: 13 Oct 2015, 20:22 »


Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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That was a lot better than I was expecting.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #79 on: 13 Oct 2015, 20:39 »

Comic's up.

Faye is doing the right thing.

I am deeply relieved to see it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #80 on: 13 Oct 2015, 21:07 »

I just hope we're finally finished with this deathly dull, one-note, thoroughly unpleasant character.
Agreed, wouldn't miss Faye at all.

Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #81 on: 13 Oct 2015, 22:24 »

I just hope we're finally finished with this deathly dull, one-note, thoroughly unpleasant character.
Agreed, wouldn't miss Faye at all.

Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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That's a mighty nice strawman you got there.

But the comic with no characters at all wouldn't have been nearly as amusing.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #82 on: 13 Oct 2015, 23:09 »

This, oddly enough, is turning into a potential 'The Talk part 2.5' scenario. Faye hanging out with Claire and Marten and, possibly, getting to know Claire better (and maybe the two of them confronting their mutual low-level antagonism).

BTW - You can tell Faye is under pressure; her native Georgian accent has started to come out

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #83 on: 13 Oct 2015, 23:22 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #84 on: 14 Oct 2015, 02:14 »

I have to agree with the the guy on the Subreddit who said that, out of sight of us, Claire stepped on Martin's foot when, in panel 3, he said: "But you're always welcome!", making him hurriedly add: "I mean, not for the smooching part!"
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« Reply #85 on: 14 Oct 2015, 04:36 »


Fine, we'll simply delete all the characters that people complain about and be done with it. QC then won't have any characters except Marten.

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That was a lot better than I was expecting.

Garfield Minus Garfield may have a new rival.

My Photoshop skills aren't really there, yet, but this one seemed worthwhile:
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Perhaps a new thread was born?

Nice one! QC's backgrounds are way, way more complex  than Garfield's, so removing characters is a challenge. You found a great workaround. I got lucky - a recent strip with a relatively simple background that made the absolutely perfect joke when all the other characters were removed. (Hardest part of mine was removing May from the background of the first panel - she was standing in front of a door.)

That's a mighty nice strawman you got there.

Didn't get the joke, huh?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #86 on: 14 Oct 2015, 04:46 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #87 on: 14 Oct 2015, 08:52 »

I do too. Can't get enough QC discussion. I sometimes drop in on the tvtropes QC thread too.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #88 on: 14 Oct 2015, 13:29 »

At least Faye had the sense to ask for help this time.

And there goes Marten torpedoing all those ships.  :-G
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #89 on: 14 Oct 2015, 17:16 »

Oh BTW gender-specific insults like "bitch" or "cunt" have made people feel unwelcome, careful there. "Fuckhead" is forceful but gender-neutral.


Really?  People like that actually exist?  I though that was just a Reddit myth.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #90 on: 14 Oct 2015, 17:30 »

I have to agree with the the guy on the Subreddit who said that, out of sight of us, Claire stepped on Martin's foot when, in panel 3, he said: "But you're always welcome!", making him hurriedly add: "I mean, not for the smooching part!"

I'm quite tickled by the idea that there are readers who saw that last panel and thought to themselves, "Marten is being quite awkward - there must be some explanation."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #91 on: 14 Oct 2015, 18:06 »

Oh BTW gender-specific insults like "bitch" or "cunt" have made people feel unwelcome, careful there. "Fuckhead" is forceful but gender-neutral.


Really?  People like that actually exist?  I though that was just a Reddit myth.
People who feel that the use of gender-specific insults is more important than the comfort of others? Probably, but not here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #92 on: 14 Oct 2015, 18:08 »

Faye being self-aware and sensible? Into what parallel universe have I fallen?

BTW - You can tell Faye is under pressure; her native Georgian accent has started to come out
Every time someone refers to Faye's "Georgian" accent, I imagine her sounding vaguely Russian (even though I know that Georgian is a different language, unrelated to Russian, and so presumably producing a different accent when speaking English).

What is Momo reacting to in the first panel?
Someone just told her that Bubbles left the party before she could get her phone-number, MAC address or whatever.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #93 on: 14 Oct 2015, 18:41 »

Comic's up.

Go, Clairemom, go!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #94 on: 14 Oct 2015, 19:38 »

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Yelling Bird replacement? If so, I really like this.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #95 on: 14 Oct 2015, 19:58 »

Not to be the "hur hur, typo" guy, but it's now my headcannon that "impresonal" is the Canadian spelling of "impersonal".



BTW - You can tell Faye is under pressure; her native Georgian accent has started to come out
Every time someone refers to Faye's "Georgian" accent, I imagine her sounding vaguely Russian (even though I know that Georgian is a different language, unrelated to Russian, and so presumably producing a different accent when speaking English).


One time I was staying at a hotel in Atlanta and the girl at the desk was from Russia. She had a combination Russian and Georgian (the state, not the country) accent, and it was the cutest thing evar!

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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #96 on: 14 Oct 2015, 20:11 »

I find this funny and relatable.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #97 on: 14 Oct 2015, 21:02 »

Isn't a were-jaguar just a transformer?  :claireface:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3066 to 3070 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #98 on: 14 Oct 2015, 21:23 »

Isn't a were-jaguar just a transformer?  :claireface:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3061 to 3065 (12th - 16th October 2015)
« Reply #99 on: 14 Oct 2015, 21:34 »

Oh BTW gender-specific insults like "bitch" or "cunt" have made people feel unwelcome, careful there. "Fuckhead" is forceful but gender-neutral.


Really?  People like that actually exist?  I though that was just a Reddit myth.

The moderators heard the same thing from enough people, and from people we've learned to respect for their level-headedness, to take the issue seriously.
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