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Will Alice's Escape Plan Work?

Yes, everyone gets away.
No, they're all captured.
Sedna is captured and will have to be rescued.
Alice is captured and will have to be rescued.
Sedna and either Gavia or Ardent will be captured and Alice and whoever she's left with will have to rescue them.
Alice and either Gavia or Ardent will be captured and Sedna and whoever she's left with will have to rescue them.
Alice and Sedna are captured and somehow Ardent and Gavia will have to rescue them.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #50 on: 13 Oct 2016, 07:45 »

Subtle for Sedna would just be ripping the axels off and throwing them a half mile in opposite directions.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #51 on: 15 Oct 2016, 12:49 »

Strip is up! 

I'm hoping that was just an anime effect and Sedna's blood isn't spilling out her back, but even if it's not that cannot feel good.

It's still possible for Alice to escape with Ardent and Gavia since the carriage is smashed, but I don't think she can leave a comrade behind.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #52 on: 15 Oct 2016, 13:25 »

So this is what Mr Bad News can do by squeezing with his fingertips. Now what will happen if he means business?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #53 on: 15 Oct 2016, 13:42 »

Uncertain, but the odds of only the space dwellers escaping just increased dramatically.  Regardless of whether Alice is willing to leave a comrade behind she probably knows that it wouldn't take him long to catch up to the wagon unless someone slows him down.  She may tell Gavia to take Ardent and keep driving until she catches up with them and if she doesn't to make sure no one ever learns of Ardent's ability.

Either that or she'll just carry them both away which would be faster.  Alice may not want to leave Sedna behind, but if Mr. Bad News either subdues or kills her then who would guard her town?     
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #54 on: 15 Oct 2016, 13:43 »

This is gonna get worse before it gets better.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #55 on: 15 Oct 2016, 14:05 »

When you realise how tough the super-soldiers are (there is reason to believe that their skin is essentially impenetrable and their bones effectively unbreakable), the fact that this... thing is capable of shattering Sedna's shoulder like that probably puts its strength off of the top of any reasonable scale. I doubt that you could stop him with anything less than a capital ship-class laser or magnetic accelerator gun.

We will learn a lot about Alice, as a person and as a soldier, depending on whether she goes back for Sedna.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #56 on: 15 Oct 2016, 14:17 »

And Sedna, realizing she'd been busted and was in danger, stayed on-mission and decided to take out the carriage anyway.

I expect Alice will go back for her. It's going to be another month-long no-holds-barred battle scene.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #57 on: 15 Oct 2016, 14:35 »

I suspect it's been a long time since Sedna has felt pain like that.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #58 on: 15 Oct 2016, 18:23 »

Well, in fairness he acted to stop her from destroying the vehicle AFTER she pummeled the front end. So far he's within his rights to defend his bosses vehicle from someone trying to destroy it for (from his perspective at this point) no actionable reason.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #59 on: 15 Oct 2016, 21:53 »

Can Sedna recover from this?

A baseline could use normal organic self-repair.

Fixing Sedna might require technology that hasn't existed for five thousand years.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #60 on: 15 Oct 2016, 22:42 »

Or maybe she heals herself once she's no longer being crushed. Hopefully.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #61 on: 16 Oct 2016, 05:11 »

Well, in fairness he acted to stop her from destroying the vehicle AFTER she pummeled the front end. So far he's within his rights to defend his bosses vehicle from someone trying to destroy it for (from his perspective at this point) no actionable reason.

It's also the same justification for Alice's brutal take down of Gavia.  And her justification was Alice scared her.  While it seems unlikely perhaps Mr. Bad News may not be who Alice remembers him to be and may be a good man in the service of dubious boss.   


I expect Alice will go back for her. It's going to be another month-long no-holds-barred battle scene.

If it's anything like the so called minute long fight between Goku and Frieza then Jeph may very well be collecting a pension by the time it's over. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #62 on: 16 Oct 2016, 06:57 »

Reminds me of the old joke:

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #63 on: 16 Oct 2016, 12:07 »

I can hear those sound effects. I can feel them. :psyduck:
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #64 on: 16 Oct 2016, 13:26 »

Yea, as someone who has had a massive shoulder injury, I definitely felt that one.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #65 on: 17 Oct 2016, 04:40 »

Can Sedna recover from this?

A baseline could use normal organic self-repair.

Fixing Sedna might require technology that hasn't existed for five thousand years.

I think that having accelerated healing processes in place might have been a relatively high priority for bio-engineered soldiers. You know, protecting the investment of raising and training them. Of course, it being a government project, they might have concentrated on making the soldiers invincible, and cut the plans of making it easier to repair broken soldiers.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #66 on: 17 Oct 2016, 13:59 »

And if all else fails, there's always Ardent.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #67 on: 17 Oct 2016, 15:20 »

This strip made me audibly day, "Ow, ow, ow, ow...." Well done on the effectiveness of that panel, Jeph.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #68 on: 17 Oct 2016, 18:52 »

So at this point what does the ability to be damaged and feel pain tell us about Sedna and Alice? In a prior strip Alice was manifesting some sort of armored suit right out of her body (it cut off her long hair) when fighting which is something a robot or  android would do. Now Sedna is screaming in pain in response to injury like a biological human.   
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #69 on: 17 Oct 2016, 20:48 »

In that same story arc, Alice cried out in pain when a bullet hit her eye. It is obvious they gave pain receptors and respond to it it ways typical of biological organisms.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #70 on: 18 Oct 2016, 04:17 »

We don't know that they aren't biological organisms.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #71 on: 18 Oct 2016, 05:51 »

And if all else fails, there's always Ardent.

He's passed out drunk, but even if he could be awakened I'm not sure what he would do could be much help.  Perhaps he'd touch the carriage and upgrade it into an alcoholic Transformer. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #72 on: 18 Oct 2016, 14:24 »

Ouzomus Prime?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #73 on: 18 Oct 2016, 16:31 »

Ouzomus Prime?

I was thinking Blackout.  Similar to Knockout except with a perpetual Energon buzz and if Ardent has an additional influence over his personality matrix horny too.   
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #74 on: 19 Oct 2016, 12:36 »

Can Sedna recover from this?

A baseline could use normal organic self-repair.

Fixing Sedna might require technology that hasn't existed for five thousand years.

She's still organic. (All AI's were eliminated in The Blink. Anything godlike enough to sniff them all out wouldn't have missed Sedna.)  Organic beings heal on their own, eventually, if they don't die first. We are all just wondering how fast.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #75 on: 21 Oct 2016, 05:58 »

And Sedna, realizing she'd been busted and was in danger, stayed on-mission and decided to take out the carriage anyway.
Yup. Mission comes first to Sedna by instinct.

On the other hand, Mr Bad News now knows that Sedna is not exactly baseline either. Few organically grown ones could do that much damage to the carriage with a single punch.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #76 on: 22 Oct 2016, 16:02 »

That...is one terrifying smile on Mr Bad News' face!

And holy crap, how much damage did he do to Sedna's shoulder?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #77 on: 22 Oct 2016, 16:04 »

Bravery? That's above & beyond levels. If she keeps him slightly occupied till Alice can get there she's levendary.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #78 on: 22 Oct 2016, 16:43 »

The last time I saw someone smiling like that it was Alice and while Ellie may be tough for a baseline woman this fight will be shorter than that time with Gavia. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #79 on: 22 Oct 2016, 17:22 »

I'm wondering how FAST Mr. Bad News is. The fact that Pate didn't ride him from the city suggests he's no quicker than baseline. OTOH if he's either fast or non-tiring, getting away from him could be a problem.

It goes without saying that standing and fighting Mr. Bad News is not a workable plan.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #80 on: 22 Oct 2016, 17:27 »

Bravery? That's above & beyond levels. If she keeps him slightly occupied till Alice can get there she's levendary.

That's what I was thinking.

Don't blame her for breaking into a sweat, though.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #81 on: 22 Oct 2016, 17:53 »

That final panel is brilliantly done, kudos to Jeph.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #82 on: 22 Oct 2016, 20:22 »

The non-reaction to getting hit in the head is honestly more terrifying than the smile.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #83 on: 22 Oct 2016, 21:43 »

He's a simple man. It doesn't take much to make him smile.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #84 on: 22 Oct 2016, 22:37 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #85 on: 22 Oct 2016, 23:14 »

Ellie can swing a pipe hard enough to bend it around an obstacle. She might not be baseline.

How much did she know about Loomis? If she thought he was at all close to baseline, then using that much force showed intent to kill. If she knew he was a whatever-Alice-is, why the surprise that her attack failed?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #86 on: 23 Oct 2016, 04:05 »

That's an interesting reaction. I wonder if it's because getting attacked means he gets to attack back.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #87 on: 23 Oct 2016, 05:52 »

 
Ellie can swing a pipe hard enough to bend it around an obstacle. She might not be baseline.

How much did she know about Loomis? If she thought he was at all close to baseline, then using that much force showed intent to kill. If she knew he was a whatever-Alice-is, why the surprise that her attack failed?

Noble but futile attack in another universe.

Perhaps Ellie is descended from a line of super soldiers who were not in the same league as Alice or Sedna, but stronger than the average human or maybe she struck him with a pipe that was made of softer metal than steel.  Who knows what's been dug up from people who lived possibly a century after our time.  It would be more impressive if it wasn't for the fact that she's just picked a fight with someone that Alice fears.  When she first sees Mr. Bad News looming over her she probably assumed he was hired muscle and thought she had a chance with the element of surprise.  It could've worked if he was baseline or possibly the same vintage as Ellie, but he's not and I think that's why she's surprised.       

That's an interesting reaction. I wonder if it's because getting attacked means he gets to attack back.

Possibly.  If Mr. Bad News is indeed taking orders from Pate then he was probably ordered not to harm Ardent and Gavia because of the information they have as well as Alice and Sedna within reason.  I imagine Pate would love to hear what Sedna knows about the past and would order her taken down without killing her.  Ellie, however, is an archaeophile of some importance, but not enough to get the same leniency unless Pate steps in and decides to be merciful.  More than likely he'd use her death as an example for what happens to poor business partners.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #88 on: 23 Oct 2016, 06:15 »

It's interesting to contrast the expression of Mr Bad News in the final panel with the first panel. In the first panel he seems almost bored.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #89 on: 23 Oct 2016, 06:37 »

In the first panel it's "just business". But now he's going to have some "fun", for certain very horrible values of fun.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #90 on: 23 Oct 2016, 07:39 »

Cue Alice-to-the-rescue...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #91 on: 23 Oct 2016, 09:07 »

I think Ellie is baseline. She's just a burly gal; I wouldn't want to face her in a brawl, but she's not a super-soldier. If Bad News wants to, he can break her like an egg.

WRT who's coming to the rescue, I nominate Ardent rather than Alice. I think Bad News would have no more trouble with Alice than he did with Sedna, but Ardent is another thing entirely. Either he'll need to leave Ardent alone due to OrbitalKidz™ importance to Pate, and/or perhaps Ardent's nanobots have another trick up their sleeve.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #92 on: 23 Oct 2016, 09:10 »

*Ardent touches Mr. BadNews*
*Mr. BadNews turns into Giant Death Robot*
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #93 on: 23 Oct 2016, 11:45 »

*Ardent touches Mr. BadNews*
*Mr. BadNews turns into Giant Death Robot*
Alice: "I can't let that kid go anywhere...  :psyduck:"

I'm not going to chase down all the panels but I'm pretty sure Ardent has been in physical contact with Alice at multiple times with no nano infection happening, so how he would infect the big guy who is (seemingly)  a parallel bio-construct to Alice and Sedna is unclear.     
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #94 on: 23 Oct 2016, 12:47 »

That's an interesting reaction. I wonder if it's because getting attacked means he gets to attack back.
Don't forget Alice's maniacal grin when fighting Gavia. At their core, they are sapient combat tools, even if they are capable of being more. I'm sure their is a certain satisfaction in performing one's primary function.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #95 on: 23 Oct 2016, 19:07 »

I just hope Loomis never says "To the Moon, Alice!".

Against an opponent like him Alice will need to operate with her full capabilities. That's going to be interesting. She may have worse things in reserve than creating pools of lava.

Raising the issue that Alice's full capabilities are not something to be unleashed if innocent bystanders are in range.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #96 on: 23 Oct 2016, 21:24 »

If she truly has the capability of turning rock molten, that speaks to epic levels of power. The energy required to do that is not something you want to be anywhere near
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #97 on: 23 Oct 2016, 22:17 »

From what I could tell, Alice is considerably more powerful than Sedna. But Eyeball* incapacitated Sedna so damn effortlessly that I'm honestly not sure who's stronger, him or Alice.

I wonder if Alice and Eyeball* are gods of sort.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #98 on: 23 Oct 2016, 22:20 »

Either way, it won't be fight like any Alice has likely had in thousands of years.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - October 2016
« Reply #99 on: 23 Oct 2016, 22:23 »

I can't imagine Alice fighting unless she absolutely has to, if only because a fight between the two is surely to cause massive damage and to put everyone nearby at significant risk.
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