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[Method of Madness]

K2 is everything 3PO should have been. Also I unapologetically love Vader's pun and anyone who complains about it hates laughter.

[Pilchard123]

Luke: "This was my father's lightsaber?"
Obi Wan Kenobi: "Yes, your father used it to kill about 30 students at the Jedi Temple when he turned to the Dark Side and helped bring about the end of our Order. Then I dismembered his remaining organic limbs and left him to burn to death and screaming in agony on a lava planet after he tried to Force-Choke your heavily pregnant mother. And then I took his lightsaber as a troph---as a legacy for you...Not that I want you to destroy your own father, without telling you of your connection to him because I, like the rest of my order were emotionally stunted people who couldn't understand the idea that we brought about our own destruction."
Luke: .....
Obi Wan Kenobi: "I mean yes, that was your father's lightsaber. He was a good friend of mine."

Luke: *Points lightsaber at face*

[Aimless]

Loved the movie. Hated Saw and Cassian.

[Tova]

Why did you hate Cassian? Just curious because I've come across others who disliked Saw, but not Cassian yet, I don't think.

[Neko_Ali]

I felt Cassian was a rather weak character. I can see they were trying for a Han Solo-eque 'Angel with a dirty face' rogue, but he just didn't have the charm of Han, and I didn't feel they particularly communicated his inner conflict between his orders and what he's done compared to how he feels about it. He came off as rather the least interesting of the cast to me.

[Method of Madness]

[Case]

I felt Cassian was a rather weak character. I can see they were trying for a Han Solo-eque 'Angel with a dirty face' rogue, but he just didn't have the charm of Han, and I didn't feel they particularly communicated his inner conflict between his orders and what he's done compared to how he feels about it. He came off as rather the least interesting of the cast to me.

Maybe not the least interesting, but his character felt ... unfinished. Like some crucial pieces ended on the cutting room floor - or as if they couldn't decide which take of the character to go with and ended up with a bit of everything. As to Saw Gerrera: For somebody of Whitaker's calibre, that role was an insult. I'm still a bit pissed about it. (To add insult to injury, Whitaker's German dub-actor seemed hell-bent on making him sound as demented as possible)

And I didn't really see the 'big revelation about using the Force' that some people seemed to have gained from Chirrut's character? Great martial artist, weakly force-sensitive - what's new about that? Maybe I missed smth.?

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On the whole, I really, really liked the ideas in R1 - but not this "We got a great new idea for SW-Canon! Now we need another disposable character to introduce it"-sickness. I felt that the fleshing out the Rebellion's character, them having a darker side, was a great idea - maybe Han had more reasons to be wary of the Rebels than his lack of altruism? - but I felt that much of that could have been done with a new take on old side-characters. Cassian's role would have been great to round out Wedge Antilles character - like: Why does the guy have to be on the Frontline of every major battle of the Rebellion? The only pilot to go up against a Death-Star twice? Because he's made some questionable moral decisions and feels like he can't prioritize his own survival after that?

Or the conflict in the Rebellions' leadership over whether to stand and fight or dissolve the entire outfit - I felt that Mon Mothma and Bail Organa were too meek here. They're founders of the whole friggin' Rebellion. What did they have to lose by fighting on? They had to assume that Palpatine was suspecting them already. It would have made sense to have a scene where Mothma and Organa butt heads over whether to commit to outright warfare, or cling to the rest of the influence they had in the still-extant Senate. That could even have been introduced with a reference to Palpatine's cunning, like: "Why do you think Palpatine keeps the Senate around? Maybe in order for us to have this stupid discussion precisely when we can least afford it?"

OtoH: zomG!ThatVADER-SCENE!!!

[Lines]

I loved Chirrut's character. All of the Jedi are believed to be gone at this point, so people are starting to believe that the Force isn't with them or even around. (Which is important to the story in episodes IV-VI.) So seeing someone who is NOT a Jedi have such a connection to the Force and use it in such a way simply because he believes was an awesome thing to see. The only other things that Force-sensitives have shown is feeling disturbances, like when something bad happens or when someone close to them dies. Also I just really liked his sense of humor and common sense.

In regards to Saw, I was mad he didn't have a bigger role. It's Forrest Freaking Whitaker. He's an amazing actor and his part was kind of strange and far too small. I like how they handled his death, but they didn't round out his character nearly enough. I also felt that way a little bit with Cassian, but he had the whole movie whereas Saw had only a small portion. I also wish Mikkelsen had more screen time but that's just because I think he's a good actor and for once I was seeing him play a non-villain.

[Tova]

I agree with the rest of you that both Saw and Cassian were underdeveloped. If I could wish anything in the film improved, it would probably be that.

Wanting to know more about them is close to the opposite of hating them, though.

I feel that 'hate' is a strong term to describe someone you found uninteresting.

I wouldn't have been happy for Cassian to be 'Han Solo-eque' (and I didn't feel that he was). There's already been quite enough riffing off the original films. There are plenty of archetypes out there to chose from.

[Blue Kitty]

[BenRG]

@Blue Kitty,

I know that meme is a funny. However, I feel that I have to say this: His delusions aside, never forget that Darth Vader was not Anakin Skywalker. Ben was at worst exaggerating about a reasonable extrapolation about what his younger brother in-all-but-blood would have wanted.

Depending on your point of view.

[Neko_Ali]

Or you know, Lucas changed his mind about major plot points in movies that were made decades apart.

[Tova]

Ben was at worst exaggerating about a reasonable extrapolation about what his younger brother in-all-but-blood would have wanted.

Exaggerating about an extrapolation about what he would have wanted. That is funnier than the meme. 

Yeah, it's just a minor plot hole. It would be fair to say that, at the time Lucas wrote that line, he didn't have the back story of Anakin Skywalker entirely nailed down.

[Kugai]

But he told the truth

From a certain point of view