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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)  (Read 24418 times)

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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #150 on: 02 Mar 2017, 11:12 »

Hey, that´s my clock. It even bears my name. Give it back to me!  :-D

I never heard of a antique clock named "TimeMaster Model C", but it reminds me a lot of the Bauhaus inspired clocks Max Bill designed for the german watch company Junghans in the 1950´s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bill

Those are real classics and sought after by collectors. There is even a wristwatch collection by Junghans today, wich bears the name "Max Bill" and is quite popular in Germany:
http://www.junghans.de/en/junghans-collection/watches/maxbill/detail.html
Just look at the resemblance of the dial and the hands. The jeweller I am working for even sells them. They are quite good and not too pricey.

I tried googling "TimeMaster Model C", but to no avail. But there has been an old clock manufacturer named TimeMaster. I´m not sure if Jeph made up the precious Model C. But the antique clock brand TimeMaster is definitely for real.

You can see, I´m in my element here...  :wink:

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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #151 on: 02 Mar 2017, 11:36 »

There's probably a mammalogist who could use it for some longtidinal study on the effects of a changing urban environment on small animals living there who just needs the dietary portion for their study.

Either that or a future 'Golden Fleece Award' recipient (they really need to bring those back).

Edit: forgot to specify exactly why they'd need the mouse droppings.

It did remind me of the tale of the lost lizard poop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/07/animals-wildlife-butaan-lizard-faeces-daniel-bennett-leeds-university
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #152 on: 02 Mar 2017, 12:00 »

Naah Brun should offer the clock back because you shouldn't really take advantage of COD like that
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #153 on: 02 Mar 2017, 12:15 »

WRT $3k walking out the door, I doubt Hanners has much concept of what that means; she has never wanted for money. Now, if Dora decided that maybe she shouldn't be held to an agreement made without proper information, she could probably make it stick; it depends on how much she cares if Hanners gets mad at her. We're also taking Brun's word for the valuation, which may not be justified.

I can see Dora getting angry, or at the least, annoyed, with Hanners for this. Coffee of Doom is doing alright, but at the same time, alright can change very quickly. That's a sizeable chunk of change for a small business; I've worked in a small shop and depending on the time of year, that 3000 could easily be several days takings. For Hanners, its a gift for her friend. For Dora, that's wages and bills and stock going out the door.

Then again, this reminds me of "Time on Our Hands", the 1996 episode of Only Fools & Horses, where the main characters found they had an incredibly valuable watch in storage for years and it ended up selling at auction for several million.

As great as the miscommunication about the clock is, I think the part that amuses me most about this strip is the waiver to visit the basement.  Or specifically that there's enough of a demand to visit the basement that they even need to have a waiver pre-drafted.

Its a health and safety concern. A coffee roaster for a shop like that, depending on when it was made, would be a hefty piece of industrial equipment. Dora knows how to use it, Hanners too. But Brun doesn't and could potentially be injured if she were to mess around with it. The waiver might seem like a joke, but Dora is just watching out for herself and her business with that waiver.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #154 on: 02 Mar 2017, 12:29 »

To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #155 on: 02 Mar 2017, 12:40 »

To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.

The clock should be offered back to Dora or maybe split the profits when sold, I doubt Dora would have given the clock away if she knew how much it was worth
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #156 on: 02 Mar 2017, 12:43 »

To be fair, Dora only knows how much it's potentially worth (if it's working order) because Brun told them.

Its still a pain in the ass to see money go out the door like that.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #157 on: 02 Mar 2017, 13:28 »

I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

That's true but it's an assumption that I feel safe in making. To me, in panel 5, Hannelore isn't saying: "Well, I didn't know", she's saying: "Maybe you should be more aware of what's down there!"

You think it's safe to assume that Hanners knowingly defrauded Dora?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #158 on: 02 Mar 2017, 13:31 »

The clock should be offered back to Dora or maybe split the profits when sold, I doubt Dora would have given the clock away if she knew how much it was worth

Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection. Maybe when she's employed she can get some renter's insurance to cover it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #159 on: 02 Mar 2017, 13:40 »

Give it time Dora, Hanners has yet to find the secret door to the hidden treasure toom left over from the Prohibition Era.   :-D

The waiver makes sense  after all, what's down there are an industrial grade Coffee Grinder and  Roaster.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #160 on: 02 Mar 2017, 13:43 »

I think that the problem here is that Hannelore didn't communicate clearly enough to Dora what she found and why Dora might care whether Hannelore gave it as a gift to her friend. In this case, a valuable industrial-era antique that a collector almost certainly would want to bid for on eBay.

You're assuming that Hannelore knew there was something more special about the clock than "this is an old clock and I have a friend who is interested in clocks". You can't communicate what you don't know.

That's true but it's an assumption that I feel safe in making. To me, in panel 5, Hannelore isn't saying: "Well, I didn't know", she's saying: "Maybe you should be more aware of what's down there!"

You think it's safe to assume that Hanners knowingly defrauded Dora?

I wouldn't say knowingly or intended to. With two parents who are rich enough to be have Bond Villain-esque workplaces (volcano for HannerMom and space station for HannerDad), I think Hanners has a very different concept of money compared to the rest of the cast. $3000 might sound like a pittance to her, but for someone like Dora, who does walk a thin line despite being a business owner....well, like I said, earlier, it can be jarring to see that kind of money being given away, especially when Dora didn't know about the clock's value.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #161 on: 02 Mar 2017, 14:29 »

Yes, it would be a bit jarring. On the other hand, if Brun had never walked through the door, Dora would probably eventually have just chucked the thing out.

It's a bit of a freak occurrence, after all. You wouldn't have any idea unless you had specialist knowledge. Pick up some random old clock and it will most likely be worthless... precisely because there are so many of them out there. The odds of finding something like this are low (by definition, really).

I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable. If she'd had the required knowledge, then Brun and Hanners would have had at least one excited clock conversation by now. Instead, they had a pun conversation. :)

Hey, maybe 50-year-old mouse poop is, in fact, rare and valuable*.

* Probably not.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #162 on: 02 Mar 2017, 14:40 »

For comic Number 3429...

*comes up to counter*

One WTF-size Iced Cappuccino, please.

[Dora]: That'll be 5000 dollars.

*checks wallet*  Dang.  *puts down three 20-dollar bills* Okay, give me an Iced Blood instead.

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(Do not 'get' my joke?  Check the prices sign behind Dora.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #163 on: 02 Mar 2017, 15:00 »

Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection. Maybe when she's employed she can get some renter's insurance to cover it.
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In that case it definitely should be given back to Dora
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #164 on: 02 Mar 2017, 15:53 »

Give it time Dora, Hanners has yet to find the secret door to the hidden treasure toom left over from the Prohibition Era.   :-D

The waiver makes sense  after all, what's down there are an industrial grade Coffee Grinder and  Roaster.

Don't forget possible death by Coffee Spiders.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #165 on: 02 Mar 2017, 16:03 »

Bear in mind that Brun is in an extremely precarious financial position, having lost everything but the clothes on her back, a cuckoo clock, and a small cardboard box of smokedamaged items recently.

She didn't keep the knowledge of the clock's worth hidden either. She could have easily kept her mouth shut, and sold the "junk that was cluttering up the basement" without telling anyone. There was no intent to take advantage.

Now if it were me... I'd release Dora from the promise of the gift, as she was acting without essential knowledge. I would also ask for a substantial fee for my expert horological opinion and valuation, and perhaps a commission on the sale as Dora's knowledge of where and how to get the best price is likely to be scant.

Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood, and call it some Karma that someone who had lost so much due to misfortune should now gain a little by chance.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #166 on: 02 Mar 2017, 16:25 »

Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood, and call it some Karma that someone who had lost so much due to misfortune should now gain a little by chance.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #167 on: 02 Mar 2017, 16:44 »

On the subject of the Waiver, you could make the case that there are valuable trade secrets (i.e. the secret of Spider Coffee) in the basement. But then Brun should be signing an NDA, not a waiver. (Also, the Health Department might have a few words about Spider Coffee.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #168 on: 02 Mar 2017, 16:49 »

For comic Number 3429...

*comes up to counter*

One WTF-size Iced Cappuccino, please.

[Dora]: That'll be 5000 dollars.

*checks wallet*  Dang.  *puts down three 20-dollar bills* Okay, give me an Iced Blood instead.

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(Do not 'get' my joke?  Check the prices sign behind Dora.)

Almost positive the 5k is on WTF sized Americano. The capuccino isn't in that board.
And on that note, I'm baffled that if you're selling americanos at 5k a pop you'd be mad because someone found a clock and gifted it to a friend and then learned that clock is worth 3k
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #169 on: 02 Mar 2017, 17:09 »

The $5000 coffee is merely an ironic reference to The Lego Movie. I seriously doubt she's actually sold any at that price.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #170 on: 02 Mar 2017, 17:14 »

Didn't I read an article recently proclaiming spider coffee as the new super food?  Turmeric is passé these days. :-D
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #171 on: 02 Mar 2017, 17:40 »

Just thought I'd mention how much cuter and less-threatening Brun is with raised eyebrows.

OTOH Brun still hasn't got a mention on the Cast page (Bubbles and May both got put on it, although May didn't get an official name, just an insulting description). And Spookybot should probably be put on there too. I'm on the fence about Roko.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #172 on: 02 Mar 2017, 19:16 »

Hanners is tidying ... in the Spider Zone ... without a hazmat suit. Woo-oh!

My search for 'TimeMaster Model C' was inconclusive.
My search for 'spider coffee' was ... interesting.

I agree with ZoeB that if Brün passes the clock back, she deserves a fee for her expertise.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #173 on: 02 Mar 2017, 22:40 »

I know the feeling.  I'd cut off my left arm to be ambidextrous. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #174 on: 02 Mar 2017, 22:50 »

Brun is getting a bargain; normally those clocks cost an arm and a leg.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #175 on: 02 Mar 2017, 23:23 »

I foresee an impending traumatic incident (for Dora) in which she realises that Brun is unable to properly interpret sarcastic humour and was literally about to cut off her leg. Dora will be apologetic and freaked out in a pretty thorough manner. Oddly enough, it is Hannelore, who will have an apologetic Dora hanging around her for ages and begging for forgiveness, who is going to suffer the most lasting consequences.

Meanwhile Brun, being Brun, will just be wondering why Dora changed her mind about the leg.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #176 on: 02 Mar 2017, 23:46 »

Am I the only one getting a PBS "Antiques Roadshow" flashback?
Nope.  If Brun is willing to travel, she can staff the horology desk on AR.
Or she could go to the Museum Speelklok.

EDIT: 'Speelklok' means musical clock, so I assume Brun would love the place.

"The museum is located in Utrecht, The Netherlands. It has a collection of automatically playing musical instruments, most of which still work and therefore still can play their music. Among the instruments on display are music boxes, musical clocks, pianolas, barrel organs (including the typically Dutch large street organs) and a turret clock with carillon." Many of the works on display are well over 50 years old as well.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #177 on: 03 Mar 2017, 00:52 »

Brun is likely quite uninterested in selling this valuable start on a new clock collection.

I'd say you called it. :laugh:
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« Reply #178 on: 03 Mar 2017, 00:57 »

Now if it were me... I'd release Dora from the promise of the gift, as she was acting without essential knowledge....

Whereas if I were Dora, I'd insist the gift still stood...

Ok, I didn't predict the leg bit. And Brun not being willing to sell had already been called.

But I'll call that close enough. They're both my kind of people.
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« Reply #179 on: 03 Mar 2017, 01:28 »

Maybe it's my occasional Friday downer mood but I'm thinking that there may be a chilly phase in Dora and Hannelore's relationship in the offing. If Brun actually tries to hurt herself and Hannelore blames Dora, it could take a while for both of them to come to terms with each other (although the real culprit will be the scare that Brun gave them both).
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« Reply #180 on: 03 Mar 2017, 02:29 »

Brun is not an idiot or a child.
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« Reply #181 on: 03 Mar 2017, 02:54 »

However, she does seem to have serious problems with identifying and understanding sarcasm. She wants that clock and apparently values it more than her leg. I don't think that she'll get hurt but I suspect that she will be a puzzled spectator to a panicked argument between Dora and Hannelore.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #182 on: 03 Mar 2017, 03:34 »

Or, this could just be Brun's sense of humor manifesting itself on one of her more functional days. She's totally deadpan but willing to play along with an obvious ridiculous joke just to get a rise out of Hannelore. It's actually Hannelore who's having trouble interpreting what's real here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #183 on: 03 Mar 2017, 03:41 »

Nah, no biggie. Chop goes the leg, Brun gets a robot-leg, and robot-hand-Clinton goes nuts.
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« Reply #184 on: 03 Mar 2017, 04:47 »

Or, this could just be Brun's sense of humor manifesting itself on one of her more functional days. She's totally deadpan but willing to play along with an obvious ridiculous joke just to get a rise out of Hannelore. It's actually Hannelore who's having trouble interpreting what's real here.

Agreed.  She started with dog puns and now she's progressed to playing along with Dora.  And it's a nice way to pay Dora back for getting an expensive clock for free. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #185 on: 03 Mar 2017, 05:38 »

Well don't just stand there Hanners, hop to it!
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« Reply #186 on: 03 Mar 2017, 06:00 »

Well don't just stand there Hanners, chop to it!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #187 on: 03 Mar 2017, 06:20 »

I don't think Brun is joking. But I also don't think this is anything more than a silly one-off joke. I'm glad that Hanners is putting her foot down, pointing out that Brun's Achilles heel is her inability to see when someone is pulling her leg.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #188 on: 03 Mar 2017, 07:27 »

"pulling her leg"

Heh.

Dora kinda needs to stop and go "I probably would have thrown it out as junk" and let it go.

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« Reply #189 on: 03 Mar 2017, 09:06 »

Sadly, I don't know the character of Brün well enough to know whether she's joking or not, but I'm leaning toward not.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #190 on: 03 Mar 2017, 11:02 »

I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable.

I never said that Hanners was "dislocated from reality", nor did I imply it. All I said was that she might have a different way of viewing money due to her background. Especially considering she grew up on a space station through her childhood and teenage years. What I was saying is that Hanners has a different perception of money compared to her friends.

Think of it like this - I assume that you are, like me, from a Eurozone country. My first job was around the time of the Euro switchover, so I was earning about £80 a week, so £5 was used for everything and £20 notes were pretty common and under no circumstances, you never saw a £50 note. Then the switchover, and the €20 became the new £5 and €50 were everywhere. 16 years later, I still shudder when I have to break a €50 note, but you look at someone who might be a few years younger, they can hand it over without a second thought. A different perception.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #191 on: 03 Mar 2017, 13:43 »

So, Dora is trying to get a leg up in the antiques business   :claireface:

I think there are some jokes that Hanners is uncomfortable with if they carry on too long.



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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #192 on: 03 Mar 2017, 17:30 »

I don't think that Hanners is so dislocated from reality that she thinks $3000 doesn't mean anything to Dora. I think it's far more likely that it didn't occur to Hanners that an old cheap-looking clock is rare and thus valuable.

I never said that Hanners was "dislocated from reality", nor did I imply it. All I said was that she might have a different way of viewing money due to her background. Especially considering she grew up on a space station through her childhood and teenage years. What I was saying is that Hanners has a different perception of money compared to her friends.

Think of it like this - I assume that you are, like me, from a Eurozone country. My first job was around the time of the Euro switchover, so I was earning about £80 a week, so £5 was used for everything and £20 notes were pretty common and under no circumstances, you never saw a £50 note. Then the switchover, and the €20 became the new £5 and €50 were everywhere. 16 years later, I still shudder when I have to break a €50 note, but you look at someone who might be a few years younger, they can hand it over without a second thought. A different perception.

Your example is a very different thing from assuming that because a few thousand dollars is small beer for you, then it must be small beer for everyone else as well.

If she merely feels that way about her own finances, then that is "a different perception."
If she thinks everyone else shares her perception, then that is "dislocated from reality."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #193 on: 03 Mar 2017, 17:53 »


Your example is a very different thing from assuming that because a few thousand dollars is small beer for you, then it must be small beer for everyone else as well.

Hanners has had a lot of worries in her life, but money has never been one of them from what we've seen. She has a job that she doesn't need for money, but for improving her own social skills.
Dora has, on several occasions, said that while CoD is doing alright, it could be doing better. She's a young entrepreneur, unless she was very diligent in saving her money, Dora more than likely had to borrow the money to set up CoD. She has to pay the wages of half a dozen employees, pay for supplies, pay bills and presumably pay back the money she might have borrowed. All that on top of her own needs, rent, food, something resembling her own wages. It can be jarring to see a large chunk of money like that go out the door without knowing it was there.

My original point was and remains that Dora is right to feel annoyed that there's money walking out the door and for Hanners seeming rather blase about it.
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« Reply #194 on: 04 Mar 2017, 01:31 »

I sympathise with her reaction (to money walking out the door), it's completely understandable.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #195 on: 04 Mar 2017, 08:40 »

Probably too easy, but Hanners, with access to more money than Croesus, could easily pay Dora antique-market value for the clock out of couch-cushion money and gift it to Brun.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #196 on: 04 Mar 2017, 13:02 »

Lets be honest Hanners could finance a CoD Franchise if she and Dora were so inclined.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #198 on: 04 Mar 2017, 17:10 »

I don't think Brun is joking. But I also don't think this is anything more than a silly one-off joke. I'm glad that Hanners is putting her foot down, pointing out that Brun's Achilles heel is her inability to see when someone is pulling her leg.
I'm not sure if she literally thinks that. In fact I do that playing along all the time, until someone interrupts and explains to me they didn't mean it literally or so, while I actually knew that. In fact come to think about there are more times I thought something was figurative while they actually literally meant something.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3426-3430 (27 February - 3 March 2017)
« Reply #199 on: 04 Mar 2017, 22:39 »

K so am I the only one starting to really dislike Dora? It's weird, when I started reading I hated Faye, but she's changed and grown so much as a person. But Dora's dickishness never seems to fade. From getting butthurt over her shitty web page and dissing Marigold for having no friends/life, now getting pissed because Brun wants a clock that she never even gave a crap about until she found out it was worth money.

Dora is being a dick. I hope she matures a bit.
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