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What great revelation do you expect to see or hear?

Alice will tell us everything that happened after the Blink
The Praeses will interrupt Alice's story just when it's getting interesting and finally reveal themselves
Church will interrupt and despite his appearance he's actually an eloquent storyteller
The Praeses will intervene, but it turns out they had nothing to do with the chain of events because it was the AIs all along
Gavia will be so irritated by what she hears she'll form an alliance with Pate and declare herself Queen of the Habitat and Pate can be King of Earth

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #50 on: 09 Jun 2017, 23:36 »

There are two major modern innovations which ameliorate the human condition more than almost any others: running water to wash your hands in, and vaccines to make your kids live past their fifth birthday. (Running water gets them past their first.) You can't have the second without the first, and Alice's town doesn't have it.

What does that mean? 60% of all children die before their first birthdays.

That's less than ideal.

Given the size and sophistication of the hospital, I think that you're making several unjustified assumptions there.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #51 on: 09 Jun 2017, 23:54 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #52 on: 10 Jun 2017, 01:56 »


Wasn't a major plot point Ardent "upgrading" the water pump? That means running water to some degree. And we haven't seen any evidence for or against them having vaccines.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #53 on: 11 Jun 2017, 04:25 »

Well the indirect evidence on the child health front is family size. Societies with a high mortality rate tended to have more children resulting in larger families. From what we have seen we can infer that with only one or two siblings that overall mortality is quite low.  We also do not know how robust the base humans are with respect to disease and injury in comparison to our own.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #54 on: 11 Jun 2017, 06:29 »

There are two major modern innovations which ameliorate the human condition more than almost any others: running water to wash your hands in, and vaccines to make your kids live past their fifth birthday. (Running water gets them past their first.) You can't have the second without the first, and Alice's town doesn't have it.

What does that mean? 60% of all children die before their first birthdays.

That's less than ideal.

Given the size and sophistication of the hospital, I think that you're making several unjustified assumptions there.

Indeed.  Even though Ardent and Gavia are more augmented than baseline humans the people of Earth are the products of genetic engineering too.  They might not be on the level of their ancestors 5000 years ago, but quite possibly they are still immune to most serious diseases and illnesses and without modern technology have a lifespan comparable to our own. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #55 on: 11 Jun 2017, 08:48 »

Hmm. Five thousand years is plenty of time for new pathogens to evolve especially with livestock as incubators.

One possibility is that humans were genetically engineered for maximum resistance to arbitrary and new pathogens -- but then evolution has been doing just that all along and today's humans may represent the best possible.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #56 on: 11 Jun 2017, 08:54 »

Well the indirect evidence on the child health front is family size. Societies with a high mortality rate tended to have more children resulting in larger families. From what we have seen we can infer that with only one or two siblings that overall mortality is quite low.  We also do not know how robust the base humans are with respect to disease and injury in comparison to our own.
No.

In a society with high infant mortality, the number of *infants* is high. The number of children who survive to adulthood? Not so much.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #57 on: 11 Jun 2017, 11:58 »

New comic is up!

I'm going to be sad when AG wraps up; I've enjoyed it. :(
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #58 on: 11 Jun 2017, 12:00 »

Re: infant mortality

"The infant mortality rate (IMR) is the number of deaths of infants under one year old per 1,000 live births," so we are on the same page.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #59 on: 11 Jun 2017, 12:18 »

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Okay... Now that is very much a strong Mass Effect allusion. The Praeses are like the Thorian? If so, then everyone is in more trouble than I imagined and it might be that Ardent and Gavia might be fully independent in thought for the first time in their lives.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #60 on: 11 Jun 2017, 14:15 »

Not quite a praeses, but at least Laridia is an emissary connected with them and a new character.   

While I will be sad for this story to conclude perhaps it will be open ended enough to begin again. 

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #61 on: 11 Jun 2017, 17:49 »

Clifhanger!!!!!

And  it's going to be interesting to see just how much Pate has underestimated the Praeses
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #62 on: 11 Jun 2017, 19:20 »

I dunno, y'all. I can't think of a single interaction that began with "PLTHBPF" or "PLLRPP" that's ended well. And don't even get me started on "SPLORP."
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #63 on: 11 Jun 2017, 19:37 »

I dunno, y'all. I can't think of a single interaction that began with "PLTHBPF" or "PLLRPP" that's ended well. And don't even get me started on "SPLORP."

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #64 on: 12 Jun 2017, 07:17 »

However it's counted for these six now, it seems like it's building up to some confrontation with one or more groups and others, perhaps a revealing of plans, maybe a bigger picture.    Yet and still. Such as The Nightwalker's actions could have little to no larger meaning.  It might be The Praeses have not directly orchestrated most any of this.     

I agree. There's way too much going on here to wrap things up anytime soon. The Nightwalker had a purpose, and it (I hope) was not related to the Praesides.  The Praesides have a purpose, and I don't think they were the ones who made the AIs disappear.

And it seems to me that Church could be convinced to follow Gavia instead of Pate, considering that she's obviously tougher and more ruthless than he is. But Gavia's motivations, as ruthlessly as she follows them, are very conservative.  It's not a good ending.

We need to find out the Blinker and whoever the Nightwalker signalled (maybe the same guy) and it's not the Praesides.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #65 on: 12 Jun 2017, 07:19 »

Hmm. Five thousand years is plenty of time for new pathogens to evolve especially with livestock as incubators.

One possibility is that humans were genetically engineered for maximum resistance to arbitrary and new pathogens -- but then evolution has been doing just that all along and today's humans may represent the best possible.

Well the livestock from the past may also have been genetically enhanced too so diseases related to animal husbandry may not be a factor in this world. 

This notion that Alice has been purposely keeping these people in the dark was raised by Gavia before and she got defensive about it.  Perhaps Alice tried to elevate humanity back to the level it once was after things normalized post blink, but this ended catastrophically and one of the reasons she can't forgive herself about the past.  As such she's tried to make the people's lives as comfortable as possible in a world bereft of many of its natural resources.   
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #66 on: 12 Jun 2017, 10:30 »

Errrf.  I knew her name before she had even finished forming, and it wasn't Laridia. 

It was Amber. 

And now I'm going to have to look at her, every time she's drawn, and it'll take me a confused moment to remember she's answering to the wrong name. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #67 on: 12 Jun 2017, 11:00 »

I dunno, y'all. I can't think of a single interaction that began with "PLTHBPF" or "PLLRPP" that's ended well. And don't even get me started on "SPLORP."

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #68 on: 12 Jun 2017, 14:13 »

Hmm. Five thousand years is plenty of time for new pathogens to evolve especially with livestock as incubators.

One possibility is that humans were genetically engineered for maximum resistance to arbitrary and new pathogens -- but then evolution has been doing just that all along and today's humans may represent the best possible.

They might indeed. The immune system could easily get stronger, but when it does it tends to go autoimmune and start attacking things we like, like pancreases and organs and skin. There's also a fine balance between immune activity and cancer. Just cranking the immune system stronger can kill as easily as cure.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #69 on: 12 Jun 2017, 16:06 »

Personally, I believe anything that starts with 'GLOOOPL' can go either way
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #70 on: 12 Jun 2017, 17:24 »

Strange that Gavia is still so loyal to the Praeses, considering they abandoned her.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #71 on: 12 Jun 2017, 18:55 »

Probably deep denial, but if the Praeses have been listening this whole time they cannot question her loyalty.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #72 on: 12 Jun 2017, 19:22 »

Pretty sure the Praeses don't give a rat's ass about Gavia's loyalty.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #73 on: 12 Jun 2017, 20:26 »

It might not be loyalty to the Praeses but not wanting to sacrifice all the people in the habitats that they apparently are.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #74 on: 13 Jun 2017, 07:38 »

However it's counted for these six now, it seems like it's building up to some confrontation with one or more groups and others, perhaps a revealing of plans, maybe a bigger picture.    Yet and still. Such as The Nightwalker's actions could have little to no larger meaning.  It might be The Praeses have not directly orchestrated most any of this.     

I agree. There's way too much going on here to wrap things up anytime soon. The Nightwalker had a purpose, and it (I hope) was not related to the Praesides.  The Praesides have a purpose, and I don't think they were the ones who made the AIs disappear.

And it seems to me that Church could be convinced to follow Gavia instead of Pate, considering that she's obviously tougher and more ruthless than he is. But Gavia's motivations, as ruthlessly as she follows them, are very conservative.  It's not a good ending.

We need to find out the Blinker and whoever the Nightwalker signalled (maybe the same guy) and it's not the Praesides.

We've only seen a glimpse of what Pate is capable of so I doubt Gavia is more ruthless than he is, however, Church could abandon him if he perceives Pate as serving only his own interests instead of humanity's.  Gavia has demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice her life to save her leaders and to an extension her people so Church might just change his allegiance if he perceives her as a strong leader who serves the greater good. 

Pretty sure the Praeses don't give a rat's ass about Gavia's loyalty.

We don't know that for a fact, but will probably find out when chapter 7 begins.  While it seems like they have used Ardent and Gavia as pawns in some elaborate scheme it's possible that another player, possibly the AIs have been working behind the scenes all this time. 

It might not be loyalty to the Praeses but not wanting to sacrifice all the people in the habitats that they apparently are.

She said she was willing to sacrifice everyone if she thought Pate was a threat to the Praeses so unless all of her people are some kind of collective she's protecting her leaders. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #75 on: 13 Jun 2017, 12:57 »

She said she was willing so sacrifice 'all of us' not 'all of my people'. Us in this case I think clearly represents the people here. Herself, Ardent, Alice and Sedna. The Praeses is not a being or a collective. They are the actual, living trees themselves that make up the colonies that the spaceborn live in/on. So yes, sacrificing four people to keep Pate from being a threat to her entire nation is a valid thing.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #76 on: 16 Jun 2017, 22:19 »

I'm curious to know if Ardent or Gavia know Laridia. 

Might be amusing if Gavia greets Laridia the same way Seinfeld greets Newman.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #77 on: 17 Jun 2017, 04:15 »

I got the impression from her introduction that "Laridia" has just been created as a sort of avatar for the Praeses so it can communicate with our protagonists. So Ardent and Gavia won't know her - she didn't exist as such before.


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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #78 on: 17 Jun 2017, 07:54 »

Probably, but we're almost halfway through this hiatus so I'm trying to think of things to keep the discussion going. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #79 on: 17 Jun 2017, 13:21 »

Best not get cocky, Jesper.  You may be in for a rude surprise.  The Praeses have had 5000 years to come up with something 'way more badass that Church.

Speaking of Church, what's his first name?  Probably something he really hates, like Elmer or Cecil.  That awful name is why he volunteered to biomodification and augmentation into a super-soldier.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #80 on: 17 Jun 2017, 13:53 »

Speaking of Church, what's his first name?  Probably something he really hates, like Elmer or Cecil.  That awful name is why he volunteered to biomodification and augmentation into a super-soldier.

I doubt that he has a first name any more than Alice and Sedna have family names. They are just AG-053, SD-101 and CH-045. Their makers never needed them to have anything else.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #81 on: 19 Jun 2017, 23:10 »

It's been bugging me for days, but I think Laridia means "parley" rather than "parlay", or is this a difference in American English?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #82 on: 19 Jun 2017, 23:19 »

Oh, well spotted! I think you're correct.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #83 on: 20 Jun 2017, 13:35 »

Best not get cocky, Jesper.  You may be in for a rude surprise.  The Praeses have had 5000 years to come up with something 'way more badass that Church.

So far everyone's capabilities are (annoyingly imo) undefined, but based on the fact that the upgraded Valkyrie was able to teleport the superhumans I'd guess Church could probably be held at bay indefinitely even if they couldn't pierce his hide.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #84 on: 20 Jun 2017, 15:02 »

Best not get cocky, Jesper.  You may be in for a rude surprise.  The Praeses have had 5000 years to come up with something 'way more badass that Church.

So far everyone's capabilities are (annoyingly imo) undefined, but based on the fact that the upgraded Valkyrie was able to teleport the superhumans I'd guess Church could probably be held at bay indefinitely even if they couldn't pierce his hide.

Teleport to Nowhere, Deep Space, chuck Church out, teleport home, profit.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #85 on: 20 Jun 2017, 15:51 »

Or drop Church in the nearest convenient Black Hole
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #86 on: 20 Jun 2017, 19:42 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 10:50 »

There are definitely a lot of ways Church could be dealt with, and I would find it very satisfying if the standoff between Gavia and Church ended with Laridia teleporting his head into Pate's hands.  But that seems too abrupt, even if we are close to the end.

Re: Parlay.  I wonder if Jeph is making a joke on the parlay/parley homophone so Pate thinks there's going to be a negotiation, when really Laridia means she's going use Pate and the superhumans appearance (the winnings of their previous gamble in sending Ardent to Earth) to make another gamble by upsetting the status quo between Earth and Sky.  Probably just a typo though.

Old thought that I had months ago and don't necessarily want to resurrect the old thread for:  if this was all building to a Praeses invasion of Earth by moving the superhumans to space, was Gavia sent as a lure to neutralize the Night Walker (assuming it's dead/burned out and not just dissipated)?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 15:02 »

That seems like a distinct possibility.  There really aren't many reasons to send her since she was no match for Alice and couldn't return with Ardent no matter how much she wanted.  The Night Walker first appeared before they knew anything about Ardent's upgrade ability so she may have been sent as as a target so it would attack her first instead of Ardent who wouldn't be the same threat to the status quo if he lost his then unknown ability.  What remains to be seen is if firing at the moon was something the Night Walker was programmed to do or if Gavia was also carrying some secret programming that she knew nothing about. 
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