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What's coming up this week?

Sam becomes Faye's assistant
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Faye gets a clue and realizes Bubbles likes her
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Marten and Claire fluff
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Unexpected character returns!
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Coffee of DOOM stuff happens!
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Add your own idea in a post!
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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)  (Read 16730 times)

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #50 on: 31 Oct 2017, 07:41 »

Ah, "emotional labor"...just one more reason Why Men Suck.

While I don't disagree that that is one of the (stereo)typical qualities of men that suck, unfortunately women suck just as hard as men (or just as little, in my opinion), just because of different (stereo)typical qualities... :roll:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #51 on: 31 Oct 2017, 07:46 »

I thought Claire was a bit harsh. I mean, Marten was just making conversation that it was bothering him, he was't like lamenting about it. And while yeah his sarcastic comment about being emo might be annoying that's his personality so like don't date him if you don't like it?

But I'm wondering if this set up is leading us to learn something about Claire's personal life.

She really reminds me of a friend of mine. Except my friend's Dad isn't missing and her brother is younger and she isn't trans. But like the bro/sis relationship, the piercings, how she jokes and laughs and how she treats men in a relationship?  SPOT ON for the bad and the good.

Yeah I'm with you on this. Marten made it pretty clear that he was being facetious and actually seems perfectly aware that he has to be proactive about it. This seems like a setup to dive a little deeper in some of Claire's emotional spectrum and underlying reasons for possible chips on her shoulder (e.g. with regards to her cheating father who she seems to not have contact with anymore). Possibly one of the reasons why her parents' marriage didn't work out (prior to her dad cheating I mean) was a lack of emotional labor by her dad and instead chosing the 'easy' route of infidelity.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #52 on: 31 Oct 2017, 08:02 »

I assume the comments previously in the thread quoting Marten being a "fuckboi" are referring to the author's comment at the bottom of the comic image. For the record, this now reads "Marten is kind of a dipshit sometimes".
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #53 on: 31 Oct 2017, 08:33 »

I assume the comments previously in the thread quoting Marten being a "fuckboi" are referring to the author's comment at the bottom of the comic image. For the record, this now reads "Marten is kind of a dipshit sometimes".



Seriously, huge difference in tone. "Marten is a general dipshit" is way different to "Marten is this specific kind of dipshit", and it's nice to see the edit get made.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #54 on: 31 Oct 2017, 09:52 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodge emotional labour"
I know, right? Almost as attractive as when a woman belittles a man for the emotional stuntedness caused by society's, which includes her, expectations of him.

Yeah, that street goes both ways lady. :grumpypuss:

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With Marten being from California I'm going to guess that his mother was more of an issue than society was. We know she can be overbearing.

Thing is, he's been out on his own for years and while I respect and acknowledge the difficult work involved the fact is he's responsible for his own life now.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #55 on: 31 Oct 2017, 12:29 »

There's no doubt that Marten is able to survive by himself, but there's a difference between surviving and thriving.

Any time he's experienced growth during the comic has never come from him, but from an external action. He's never learned to do that.

Let's be brutally honest here, Marten and Veronica never had the conventional parent/child relationship. When Dora and Marten broke up, Veronica flew out....and embarrassed and belittled (to a degree) Marten and comforted Dora. When Marten went to his father's wedding, Veronica did an impromptu upskirt shoot at dinner, while Marten was there with Claire.

Granted, Marten has put up with his mother and her antics his entire life and is perhaps used to it. But now, his mother is starting a new life with what could be a new family and its perhaps painful to see his mother act so differently than she did with him. It could be a sense of betrayal for Marten, like "Why did I have to go all through that for my childhood and Mom is just sitting there, sipping wine like its nothing."

Marten is not someone who can deal with rapid change, and can be quite resentful towards it, for example his father regarding the divorce and his coming out. Its the change in Veronica that is affecting Marten and it raises the potential question of "Why her and not me?"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #56 on: 31 Oct 2017, 13:15 »

Typical woman, trying to fix a problem when the man clearly wants to talk about his emotions.

I don't think Marten's the only fucker in that convo.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #57 on: 31 Oct 2017, 13:36 »

Jeph did say once that he's never written an argument where one person was 100% right.

One of the key themes of the comic is screwed-up people meeting other screwed-up people and slowly, painfully, and inefficiently helping each other get better.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #58 on: 31 Oct 2017, 14:49 »

It looks slightly odd too that the glasses in front of Sam and Jim look larger than those in front of Marten and Claire, despite their being closer to the "camera". Still, it's a bold and effective establishing shot.

Except that somehow Marten and Claire look like kids.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #59 on: 31 Oct 2017, 15:27 »

Well, they're certainly acting like kids.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #60 on: 31 Oct 2017, 17:45 »

Jeph did say once that he's never written an argument where one person was 100% right.

One of the key themes of the comic is screwed-up people meeting other screwed-up people and slowly, painfully, and inefficiently helping each other get better.

I dunno, I feel like Marten was 100% in the right to be pissed about Dora rushing to Pintsize to reveal all the types of porn Marten'd ever looked at. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #61 on: 31 Oct 2017, 20:25 »

"Samantha, be less of a pain in the ass."  Nice to see some Bubbles/Marten bonding!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #62 on: 31 Oct 2017, 20:27 »

I wonder if Bubbles is gonna talk to Marten about her developing feelings for Faye.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #63 on: 31 Oct 2017, 20:33 »

That was a nice scene.

It occurs to me that Bubbles really doesn't HAVE anyone she'd be comfortable enough to talk about stuff with involving Faye. At least not in her current social circle.

Possibly have her visit the robot community center and end up discussing it with Winston?

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #64 on: 31 Oct 2017, 20:55 »

That was a nice scene.

It occurs to me that Bubbles really doesn't HAVE anyone she'd be comfortable enough to talk about stuff with involving Faye. At least not in her current social circle.


She's pretty comfy with Emily and Claire, it seems (though the former probably wouldn't give the most helpful advice).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #65 on: 31 Oct 2017, 21:06 »

Ah, Pintsize, how I've missed you. #comicrelief
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #66 on: 01 Nov 2017, 00:17 »

So, we know what we're doing this week: Jeph is catching us up on how Marten is reacting to all the changes in the group since the time skip.

I quite liked this conversation because of how easy it is. Marten as a character has many problems but prejudice has never been one of them. To him, Bubbles is just his room-mate, not a seven-foot tall killing machine. He's even got used enough to her for her size to no longer intimidate him! It's also in character that he assesses the level of Bubbles' welcome by how it benefits others. That's another character quirk of his.

FWIW, I have to agree with Marten here: A romance between him and Faye would have been a road flare - Hot, spectacular and ultimately short lived, not leaving behind anything viable in its wake.

Of course the real reason why Bubbles is welcome is she knows just the right way to disable Pintsize without killing him. With luck, the constant negative reinforcement will eventually alter his behaviour!

I wonder if Bubbles is gonna talk to Marten about her developing feelings for Faye.

I don't think that Bubbles is ready to admit it aloud to herself just yet, except in unguarded moments, let alone discuss it with someone else. On the other hand, I can see Faye talking to Marten about how he knew Claire was  the one and applying that to her own feelings.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #67 on: 01 Nov 2017, 01:18 »

bLeRf!

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #68 on: 01 Nov 2017, 01:52 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor" Wow, a trait that can be just as easily applied to both sexes, suddenly the basis of a sexist accusation? I really don't think "Not wanting to be the one to attempt to establish a relationship" is in any way a male-exclusive trait...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #69 on: 01 Nov 2017, 02:23 »

I've been thinking about panel 5. I suspect that Bubbles has never heard the phrase 'Rad' before but, thinking about it, it definitely applies to Faye. Her spontaneous smile also tells me that she's decided that it fits her best friend very, very well! :-)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #70 on: 01 Nov 2017, 02:39 »

"...an amazing pair of bLeRf"   :laugh:

So it's back to the panel-beater for Pintsize - I suspect he will have to get a new chassis soon simply because of metal fatigue...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #71 on: 01 Nov 2017, 03:13 »

Maybe he's made of some shape-memory alloy, like a tiny T-1000 Terminator... He's got a military chassis, anyway.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #72 on: 01 Nov 2017, 04:47 »

No shape memory - he's had to be beaten back into shape previously.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #73 on: 01 Nov 2017, 05:07 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor"

"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #74 on: 01 Nov 2017, 05:42 »


That's some severe casual violence right there, though.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #75 on: 01 Nov 2017, 05:45 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor"

"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.

Fair warning, that kind of thinking does not go down well around here.

There's no need to belittle anyone to raise another.

Emotional maturity is a vital part of being in a relationship and with dealing with change. Neither party was in the right in Tuesday's comic; Marten came off as whiny and childish, Claire came off as snappy and judgemental. Neither attitude is healthy, both on a personal level and in a relationship.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #76 on: 01 Nov 2017, 05:50 »

No shape memory - he's had to be beaten back into shape previously.

His internal components are incredibly resilient, tough. I'm sure my PC won't survive that amount of smashing (not mentioning being stuffed with meat products).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #77 on: 01 Nov 2017, 07:19 »

This line of questioning sounds familiar to me. Whenever someone asks about your feelings for someone, they're bound to make a move on them
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #78 on: 01 Nov 2017, 07:44 »


"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.

Men (including myself) have been guilted into thinking emotions are better than other qualities? That's news to me...  :roll:
Also, I resent the implication that physical labor and knowledge/logic-based intelligence (which is what you meant, right?) are considered 'real' and other types are not. Various types of intelligence or labor are just that, different forms that are not superior of inferior to one another.


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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #79 on: 01 Nov 2017, 07:46 »

That was a nice scene.

It occurs to me that Bubbles really doesn't HAVE anyone she'd be comfortable enough to talk about stuff with involving Faye. At least not in her current social circle.


She's pretty comfy with Emily and Claire, it seems (though the former probably wouldn't give the most helpful advice).

Or Hannelore, although she also probably wouldn't be the best to offer helpful advice.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #80 on: 01 Nov 2017, 08:17 »

I don't recall ever seeing the apartment from this angle before. They have a TV?!

Also, I'm amused that no one seems to be questioning how Pintsize is hanging from the ceiling like that.
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« Reply #81 on: 01 Nov 2017, 08:18 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor"

"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.

Pretty sure I first ran into "emotional intelligence" in the psychology world, and Claire has a legitimate concern about whether her romantic partner will hold up his end of navigating their own emotional issues. And she's also open to criticism about not having brought it up in a skilled way.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #82 on: 01 Nov 2017, 08:51 »

Why did Pintsize have his head crushed for talking about boots, gloves, skis or earstuds?

*is puzzled*
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #83 on: 01 Nov 2017, 09:02 »

Because its better to be safe than sorry and just stop Pintsize when he opens his mouth. If its by forceful compression, well thats just the way chassis deforms.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #84 on: 01 Nov 2017, 09:26 »

Marten as a character has many problems but prejudice has never been one of them.


Hm, I would probably rephrase that as : "Marten, while not flawless, has many good qualities, including not being prejudiced".

Marten has been one of the most consistently empathetic, kind, and openminded characters in the comic since day 1, and I don't really consider him to have 'many problems'. He is by no means flawless of course, but apart from being very passive about his life choices (but not with Claire), he does quite well in both his work and personal life, no? He doesn't unnecessarily hurt, backstab, or judge, is not prejudiced, is a good listener who always offers reasonable advice, is generally honest, nonhurtful good sense of humor in general (doesn't take himself too serious).

I just don't see him as having many problems to be honest.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #85 on: 01 Nov 2017, 09:48 »

I wonder if Bubbles is gonna talk to Marten about her developing feelings for Faye.
I think that to the extent she knows what they are, she just has.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #86 on: 01 Nov 2017, 10:02 »

I don't recall ever seeing the apartment from this angle before. They have a TV?!

Also, I'm amused that no one seems to be questioning how Pintsize is hanging from the ceiling like that.

Pretty sure we've seen Pintsize do that before, though not for a long time; I'd assumed that the green hand/feet things could also be suction cups.

Certainly a strange angle, considering how much of the apartment we've seen before, though a TV has been mentioned before. Don't think they hooked Winslow up to one, so probably just in the first few comics, which makes me surprised that the TV's lasted this long if it rarely gets used. I'm presuming that their washing baskets are on the sofa, with the opening nearest us being the door, and the other one some kind of pantry/cupboard/similar - or maybe the loo, not entirely sure where that is.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #87 on: 01 Nov 2017, 11:13 »

Ah, Marten. It has to be said that of the whole cast, he's probably changed the least.

Ah Marten, the Zathras of our cast of characters.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #88 on: 01 Nov 2017, 11:44 »

Certainly a strange angle, considering how much of the apartment we've seen before, though a TV has been mentioned before. Don't think they hooked Winslow up to one, so probably just in the first few comics, which makes me surprised that the TV's lasted this long if it rarely gets used. I'm presuming that their washing baskets are on the sofa, with the opening nearest us being the door, and the other one some kind of pantry/cupboard/similar - or maybe the loo, not entirely sure where that is.

That's the kitchen! The bathroom is the closest door to us in panel 2. why do I know this.

I don't think we've ever seen the TV before because it's usually up against the fourth wall while the sofa gets centre stage. Jeph's definitely trying out some interesting new things with angles lately.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #89 on: 01 Nov 2017, 20:02 »

Also, I'm amused that no one seems to be questioning how Pintsize is hanging from the ceiling like that.

No-one questions ANYTHING about Pintsize any more - and that's the bulk of his continuing appeal.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #90 on: 01 Nov 2017, 20:51 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #91 on: 01 Nov 2017, 20:58 »

 :lol: :-D :lol: :laugh:  I had NOT considered that. Poor Faye.

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« Reply #92 on: 01 Nov 2017, 21:27 »

Fair warning, that kind of thinking does not go down well around here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #93 on: 01 Nov 2017, 21:42 »

Time to resurrect a phrase I coined a while back:

"As frustrated as Claire's comb"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #94 on: 01 Nov 2017, 21:47 »

Just imagine how bad it was when it was super long!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #95 on: 02 Nov 2017, 00:15 »

In today's strip we learn something important: Sharing hygiene facilities is never easy, especially if your room-mates don't clean up after themselves! Still, Faye seems to have a history of bathroom-related bad luck. Remember that time she fell into the bowl because Angus left the seat up? She should be getting used to the fact that the bathroom is a minefield for her without her glasses on!

Meanwhile, I honestly think that this is the first time that I've ever seen Claire just relaxed and doing leisure stuff on her own. I also find it very age-indicative in some ways.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #96 on: 02 Nov 2017, 01:38 »

"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.
With regard to "emotional intelligence" at least, that is simply drivel. The term was invented, and popularised, by men, in terms of general success in life, without reference to gender. Would I be right in thinking that you have not read Daniel Goleman's book?:
"Although the term first appeared in a 1964 paper by Michael Beldoch, it gained popularity in the 1995 book by that title, written by the author, psychologist, and science journalist Daniel Goleman. Since this time, Goleman's 1995 analysis of EI has been criticized within the scientific community, despite prolific reports of its usefulness in the popular press."

It could have been worse, Faye. Claire could have black hair.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #97 on: 02 Nov 2017, 01:38 »

Spider hair, spider hair
You can find it anywhere
In the bed, shower floor,
Makes Faye mad, hear her roar
Look out, here comes the spider hair....
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #98 on: 02 Nov 2017, 02:18 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor" Wow, a trait that can be just as easily applied to both sexes, suddenly the basis of a sexist accusation? I really don't think "Not wanting to be the one to attempt to establish a relationship" is in any way a male-exclusive trait...

I couldn't agree more. It appeared clearly in one of the first QC comics, by the way

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=9
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Re: WCDT Strips 3601-3605 (30rd October - 3rd November 2017)
« Reply #99 on: 02 Nov 2017, 02:22 »

"It's so attractive when a man dodges emotional labor"

"Emotional labor" and "emotional intelligence" were invented by feminists to guilt men into thinking that emotions are somehow better than real labor and real intelligence.

I can't see why feminists would need to do that.
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