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What is going to happen this week?

Hanners descending into Looney Tunes-esque attempts to get rid of Tilly
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Tilly turns out to be worse than Cosette and burns down Coffee of Doom
- 5 (11.4%)
Tilly sits in the corner of the coffeeshop for the day and sniffs tea
- 6 (13.6%)
The non-continuing adventures to buy Hanners new phone
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The story switches to Brun browsing for clocks.
- 4 (9.1%)
The QC version of Single White Female, but plays out like Home Alone
- 3 (6.8%)
Hanners breaks out the ultimate weapon. Tilly has to spend 15 minutes with...Pintsize!
- 8 (18.2%)
Pintsize eating birdseed
- 3 (6.8%)

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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #150 on: 22 Nov 2017, 16:36 »

So to me, the question we should be asking isn't why isn't Tilly respecting Hannelore's wishes, but why would Beatrice, a known ruthless manipulator, send a fool to Hannelore, the only person Beatrice cares for in any way, in the first place?

Managing difficult personnel: check.
Finding workable compromise: check

(Beatrice nods approvingly. She is a ruthless and savvy manipulator.)

----(adds)----

Tilly is talented and motivated. Properly managed, she has the potential to be a powerful asset. But polishing raw diamonds is not something Beatrice is good at. Beatrice has her blind spots, and she is dimly aware of them.  She hopes her daughter will surpass her.  So her training will continue.

Put it this way-- Hannelore at the helm of ECI will be able to do the world a lot of good.


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« Reply #151 on: 22 Nov 2017, 17:22 »

At the risk of getting this peeled off into a separate subforum, things like conformation bias and cognitive dissonance play into the aforementioned subconscious filters.

Factors that might play into this would be things like academic or scientific paradigms. For example, the notion that medieval Europeans thought the Earth was flat was cooked up during the Enlightenment era and was meant to deride Christians, especially Roman Catholics. Turns out that the educated peoples of the Ancient, Medieval and Renaissance world had long accepted that the world was round (with the occasional exception). One of the few documents purporting a flat Earth was Christian Topography from the 6th century AD. It was unpopular and came 2 centuries before the much more popular The Reckoning of Time which was also written by a Catholic monk.

Turns out the major debate in Colombus's day was what size the Earth was, not what shape it was.

EDIT: Looks like I got the dates mixed up. The much more popular The Reckoning of Time was from 725 AD, 2 centuries after Christian Topography .
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #152 on: 22 Nov 2017, 17:53 »

Put it this way-- Hannelore at the helm of ECI will be able to do the world a lot of good.

Or she will release the virus.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #153 on: 22 Nov 2017, 18:01 »

If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.

If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.
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« Reply #154 on: 22 Nov 2017, 18:39 »

If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.

If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.

Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp?  :oops:
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #155 on: 22 Nov 2017, 18:46 »

It might be interesting to know age range of people with reactions to Tilly. Just comes across to me as a naive teenager with big hopes and loads of misconceptions about the world outside school. Seen lots of them. Sure she's turned up to 11 because comic, but its all kinda familiar. You just have to cut them a bit of slack in between keeping on pointing them in the right direction because otherwise they'll never be any use for anything, and sadly school did very little for their socialisation.

So I wonder if some of the folks with great antipathy haven't had quite as many dumb kids they need to train up across their tracks yet? I could be completely off the track, but some aspects of what Hanners is trying to cope with ring some bells for me.

This to me is a very good point. Tilly to me has never read as a sociopath, potential abusive character, or some big creep (though I can well understand why people would get bunny boiler vibes from her actions). I just think that she's probably young, impressionable, overeager, hypersensitive in her self (though not necessarily to others, yes) and really doesn't have much concept of how the working world really works yet. This is probably exactly why Beatrice recruited her. (There's some sociopathy right there.)

I used to be a University administrator and you'd be surprised how many 20-year-olds I came across who took rejection or things not going to their plan very badly. They've in my view just not been taught or learnt emotional intel or resilience properly (I think you need both to be a good PA without having a nervous breakdown, incidentally) and that's as much a shortcoming of the schooling system they've come from as it is of them to not look up how to do that independently (which of course shows good emotional intelligence and self-awareness).

I'm 24 and this is basically exactly how I read her too, although I'd say "young, impressionable, overeager, hypersensitive in her self (though not necessarily to others, yes) and really doesn't have much concept of how the working world really works yet, not that it excuses her behaviour."  I think if someone (I could see it being Winslow, May, or Faye, but it could be someone else, easily, or Hannelore herself) had a quick conversation about consent and boundaries with her, she'd improve herself and quickly. I mean, I think panel 3 of 3617 is that basically happening already, except with her not responding in the most helpful way.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #156 on: 22 Nov 2017, 18:52 »

Also re: there being a dossier I don't think that's really shocking at all. I've never been a PA but it seems fairly likely that you would be briefed on the person you're assisting before meeting them, especially if for someone like Hanners, because her being an heiress could mean being finicky or whatnot that rich people are, and her mental health issues could mean a lot of harm to her (and potentially the PA) if they weren't known.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #157 on: 22 Nov 2017, 19:31 »

If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.

If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.

Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp?  :oops:

It's a thought experiment to illustrate how corporate cultures form.

Put four monkeys in a cage, lower a bunch of bananas from the ceiling, and spray them with a fire hose of ice water as soon as they reach for it. Quickly they learn not to reach for the bananas.

Now, remove one of the original four monkeys and put in a new one who's never seen this experiment before. Lower the bananas. The new monkey will reach for them. The other three will beat the crap out of him to prevent the fire hose of ice water from happening again. In short order the newbie gets the idea.

Now take another of the original four away and introduce a second new monkey. It will reach for the bananas. The two veterans and the previous new monkey pile on and beat the crap out of it.

Keep going and you wind up with four monkeys who've never been sprayed with a fire hose of ice water but who will not reach for bananas or tolerate those who do. If they could talk, they'd probably say "That's just not the way we do things around here".

ECI might be full of people like those monkeys. If Hannelore lowered a bunch of socially virtuous projects from the ceiling they might refuse to touch them and beat the crap out of her.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #158 on: 22 Nov 2017, 19:53 »

Put it this way-- Hannelore at the helm of ECI will be able to do the world a lot of good.

That is wholly contingent on what Hanners learns in the meantime. If she were to take on ECI with the best of intentions....well, there's a saying about the best intentions and where they lead.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #159 on: 22 Nov 2017, 20:27 »

....Can someone remind me of that "Release the Virus" joke was again? It feels relevant.
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« Reply #160 on: 22 Nov 2017, 22:00 »

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« Reply #161 on: 22 Nov 2017, 23:14 »

....Can someone remind me of that "Release the Virus" joke was again? It feels relevant.

It was an anxiety daydream that Hannelore had once when Dora asked where she saw herself as being in five years time. It turns out, she sees herself as being a genocidal sociopath sitting in her mother's chair and terrifying even her mom's old PA.

The vision was so traumatic that Hanners locked up in the middle of Coffee of Doom.
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« Reply #162 on: 23 Nov 2017, 00:06 »

Here's the specific strip. Small correction, it was Faye asking after Angus asked Faye about her future plans.

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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #163 on: 23 Nov 2017, 01:21 »

Well, I don't know if this is a positive or a negative thing:

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These things remind me of how Jeph introduced Claire. It seems like he's found a new favourite character to draw, So I'm afraid we'll have to endure Tilly for a while. Let's just hope she fades into the background once this silliness with her being Hannelore's PA is over.

Somewhat OT but also a bit relevant for PA: In the US in general, and Northampton in particular, how many hours per day are you legally obliged to work? Can Hanners f.i. say, "Tilly, you're supposed to work 40h per week. I want you to work from 10am to 6pm. Oh look, that's the hours I'm at Coffee of Doom, so I guess you'll just have to sit there and watch me working".
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« Reply #164 on: 23 Nov 2017, 01:32 »

At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.
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« Reply #165 on: 23 Nov 2017, 02:24 »

Although my knowledge of UK employment law is not great, I've employed 50+ people over the last 20 years and in all the contracts, we have a clause that states your normal working hours are X but that you agree to work more than 48 hours on occasion and to work from different offices.

Its against the law to make somebody work more than 48 hours a week, averaged over a 17-week period. This exemption doesn't apply to some jobs such as full-time carers, army, some police positions, all emergency services, as per BenRG's post. Whether against the law or unreasonable, I don't know but its also frowned upon in some way to change their working location permanently or regularly.

But you can ask employees to voluntarily agree to exceed both this 48-hour limit and the working location limitation "on occasion". As I say, this has been in every contract I've ever seen - mainly so if they end up working a long week, or you ask them to go to London to work for a week, no laws are broken when they agree, and they can't disagree because it was intimated that this might happen when you employed them. They can choose not to accept this clause or cancel their agreement at any time with 7 days notice if you are abusing it. But its completely commonplace in all employment contracts I've ever seen, as its much harder to impose these things 3 years down the line than at point of employment.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #166 on: 23 Nov 2017, 03:47 »

At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.
That's sort of true here in Sweden as well, however, the time you're on-call does not count as working hours.
Although my knowledge of UK employment law is not great, I've employed 50+ people over the last 20 years and in all the contracts, we have a clause that states your normal working hours are X but that you agree to work more than 48 hours on occasion and to work from different offices.

Its against the law to make somebody work more than 48 hours a week, averaged over a 17-week period. This exemption doesn't apply to some jobs such as full-time carers, army, some police positions, all emergency services, as per BenRG's post. Whether against the law or unreasonable, I don't know but its also frowned upon in some way to change their working location permanently or regularly.

But you can ask employees to voluntarily agree to exceed both this 48-hour limit and the working location limitation "on occasion". As I say, this has been in every contract I've ever seen - mainly so if they end up working a long week, or you ask them to go to London to work for a week, no laws are broken when they agree, and they can't disagree because it was intimated that this might happen when you employed them. They can choose not to accept this clause or cancel their agreement at any time with 7 days notice if you are abusing it. But its completely commonplace in all employment contracts I've ever seen, as its much harder to impose these things 3 years down the line than at point of employment.
In Sweden the law is that normal working time is 40h/week, and you may work overtime, up to 150h/year. The overtime may not exceed 48h on a 14 day basis or 50h per month.
My point is that there is no way any law in Europe would allow a single person to be working or on-call 24/7/365 as a salaried employee. There is of course people who own their own businesses, politicians etc. where the line between a private life and a public life is non-existent but that's not the point here. Here, at one point sooner or later, Hannelore would have to tell Tilly, "Go home, your working hours are over for today/this week" etc. Is there such a point in the US?
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #167 on: 23 Nov 2017, 04:14 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #168 on: 23 Nov 2017, 04:30 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #169 on: 23 Nov 2017, 04:37 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?

I agree with you, but I would like to point out that part of the customer appeal of COD was the way that they treated customers. I can't find any specific pages, but I vaguely remember one of the customers specifically asking to be abused.

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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #170 on: 23 Nov 2017, 05:01 »

My point is that there is no way any law in Europe would allow a single person to be working or on-call 24/7/365 as a salaried employee. There is of course people who own their own businesses, politicians etc. where the line between a private life and a public life is non-existent but that's not the point here. Here, at one point sooner or later, Hannelore would have to tell Tilly, "Go home, your working hours are over for today/this week" etc. Is there such a point in the US?

It really depends on the position the person is in. It’s possible to classify a position as “overtime exempt”, meaning they really are on the clock 24/7. But that’s usually limited to executive-level positions - my wife is in that kind of position. Her assistant, however, is not, and he works a normal 40-hour week with overtime if more than 40.

And yes, some companies do abuse the “overtime-exempt” classification, classifying employees as exempt when they should not be; I got a nice big check from a former employer a few years ago as part of a class-action settlement about that very thing.
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« Reply #171 on: 23 Nov 2017, 05:05 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

If she were a real person I would encourage her personal growth.
As it is, I despise her as a character and do not want her to be given an excuse to remain in a comic that I otherwise enjoy.
It is somewhat irrational and is providing useful self-psychoanalysis of my own flaws.
However, at this moment my ideal resolution is for Tilly to have a grand personal revelation and subsequently fuck off forever.
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« Reply #172 on: 23 Nov 2017, 05:29 »

Hmm, interesting. Since Hannelore is *still* saying Taffy, I'd say it's definitely an honest mistake (played for lolz) and not passive-aggression. Wonder how long Miss Birch's resignation will last? This probably isn't the end of the name issue although I'm pretty tired of it personally.

I think Hanners misnaming Tiffy Tilly (godsfckdmn!  :x) is Jeph's reminder to us that as sweet, good-natured and all around loveable a human being as Hanners is, she is also her mother's daughter.

In think Hanners in "Beatrice-mode" is still generally a rather good person who wants only the best for everybody, but a rather high-powered good person who has decided that People are Being Silly and Something Needs to be Done About ItTM.  And due to their Being Silly, soliciting feedback from them ain't too high on the current list of priorities.
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« Reply #173 on: 23 Nov 2017, 05:52 »

If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.

If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.

Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp?  :oops:

It's a thought experiment to illustrate how corporate cultures form.

Put four monkeys in a cage, lower a bunch of bananas from the ceiling, and spray them with a fire hose of ice water as soon as they reach for it. Quickly they learn not to reach for the bananas.

Now, remove one of the original four monkeys and put in a new one who's never seen this experiment before. Lower the bananas. The new monkey will reach for them. The other three will beat the crap out of him to prevent the fire hose of ice water from happening again. In short order the newbie gets the idea.

Now take another of the original four away and introduce a second new monkey. It will reach for the bananas. The two veterans and the previous new monkey pile on and beat the crap out of it.

Keep going and you wind up with four monkeys who've never been sprayed with a fire hose of ice water but who will not reach for bananas or tolerate those who do. If they could talk, they'd probably say "That's just not the way we do things around here".

ECI might be full of people like those monkeys. If Hannelore lowered a bunch of socially virtuous projects from the ceiling they might refuse to touch them and beat the crap out of her.

Allegedly there's an actual behavioral experiment among those lines involving access to a platform of fruit with only one ladder.

The story goes that there were initially 4 ladders and all the monkeys could access the platform. 3 ladders were removed. Once some preset number of monkeys were on the platform, any attempting to climb the ladder were hosed. Any new monkeys that tried to climb the ladder were pulled from it by the other monkeys and then beaten. Regardless of whether the new monkeys had been introduced or were the offspring of the grounded monkeys.

This alleged experiment was argued to demonstrate why some members of the older generations in impoverished neighborhoods might discourage the younger generation from trying to have a better life.

EDIT: fixed omitted word typo.
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« Reply #174 on: 23 Nov 2017, 06:11 »

At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.
We've got that on this side of the pond as well. Railroad enigineers, conductors, and breakmen are also all on-call jobs. As is crew transport for the various railroad companies.

I did crew transport for nearly 4 years. Driving from Emporia, KS to Newton, KS in order to shadow a train from Newton to Superior, NE and back is the longest trip I've done. Depending on rail traffic, it can be a 15 hour trip. Half of the times I did that I had to call in a relief driver to take over so I didn't go over the max trip time of 15 hours. I've also gotten to drive from Emporia to Arkansas City, KS to Kansas City, KS to Wichita and back to KC before heading to Cassoday, KS and finally back to Emporia.

EDIT: I should probably mention that the railroaders and crew transport have a mandatory rest period after being at work for so many hours. For the company i worked for, we could remain available for trips up to 10 hours after the starting time of the first trip we got. If we only had a short trip of 2 hours, we could potentially be called 8 hours later, but only if dispatch was desperate.
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« Reply #175 on: 23 Nov 2017, 06:47 »

Those birds look... tasty.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #176 on: 23 Nov 2017, 07:02 »

Happy Thanksgiving, USers!  :-D

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« Reply #177 on: 23 Nov 2017, 08:01 »

Um, how on earth does a glorified hairnet get infected?

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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #178 on: 23 Nov 2017, 08:52 »

Um, how on earth does a glorified hairnet get infected?

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"Snood" has more than one meaning. One of them is "an erectile, fleshy protuberance on the forehead of turkeys".
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #179 on: 23 Nov 2017, 10:02 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?

I just want her gone. It's not my responsibility to train people how to be decent. I don't care if she's really super sweet, volunteers at a shelter for homeless disabled puppies in her off time or whatever. That sort of forced sales person, ignore everything your target says unless it's what they want to hear and not only forces themselves on you but refuses to leave all while projecting that 'I'm just trying to help, why do you want to be mean to me' aura drives me to absolute fury. Because either they have no idea how their behavior affects others, in which case you're kicking a puppy because that's the only way to get rid of them, by forcing them to leave since they refuse or are incapable of taking a hint. Or it's all a ruse because they know if they act like that they're forcing people to either give in or kick the puppy. It's a cynical, scummy act to use people's better nature against them. From my experience, the latter is a lot more common than the former. In either case though, correcting them is not my problem. I just want them out of my life before my worse nature takes over and I remove them violently.

As for today's comic.. that's a very fancy turkey there.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #180 on: 23 Nov 2017, 10:48 »

Well, Neko, I have heard that the cat o' nine tails is the greatest tool ever invented in the field of labour relations.  Then again, I'm lazy and would probably just use a cattle-prod until the problem went away.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #181 on: 23 Nov 2017, 11:56 »

It's not my responsibility to train people how to be decent

Isn't there an argument to say that its everyone's responsibility to help train everyone to be decent? And that's what society is?
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« Reply #182 on: 23 Nov 2017, 12:12 »

It's not my responsibility to train people how to be decent

Isn't there an argument to say that its everyone's responsibility to help train everyone to be decent? And that's what society is?

What do you think is happening here right now?
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #183 on: 23 Nov 2017, 12:49 »

"In anatomical terms, the snood is an erectile, fleshy protuberance on the forehead of turkeys."

Being that the only portions being removed from Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act are from the only 8 pages of it that should have been passed to begin with (the patient protection portion), calling a healthcare system that has been largely influenced by the insurance companies an "infected snood" is somethong of an understatement.
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« Reply #184 on: 23 Nov 2017, 13:36 »

would probably just use a cattle-prod until the problem went away.

I once suggested to my boss about getting some duct-tape and sticking a cattleprod to the backs of the more....work-reluctant trainees.

I then had an appointment with HR.

I was taken off the training team for a couple of weeks.
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« Reply #185 on: 23 Nov 2017, 13:57 »

I like the way you think.
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« Reply #186 on: 23 Nov 2017, 15:29 »

I like the way you think.

Too bad HR didn't.
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« Reply #187 on: 23 Nov 2017, 16:34 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?

Well, to be fair, Faye and Dora, and probably most other QC cast regulars, have their own haters for various reasons. As I mentioned awhile ago, every character has flaws, and there's a chance that various people will find at least one of them really upsetting, so this is not really surprising. Maybe this is why Jeph tends to go for relatively quick resolution of conflict these days, I don't know. Stuff like Faye's snark and Marten's aimless drifting upset a small number of people terribly, yet they remain unresolved (though Faye is a little more self aware I think these days).

It only really bugs me when there is a regular barrage of posters saying so-and-so is not really a person, wishing death upon them, and whatnot. It upsets me more than anything the QC characters do. It gets in the way of the over-analysis, speculation, and terrible puns.  :claireface:

Anyway, I hope for personal growth rather than punishment or banishment, but that's easy for me to say from my emotional distance. Maybe the day will come when a QC character presses my buttons, then we'll see how I like it.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #188 on: 23 Nov 2017, 19:52 »

Comic's up, and it looks like Tilly took one step forward and two or three back...
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« Reply #189 on: 23 Nov 2017, 19:56 »

A certain amount of honesty in the last panel there.
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« Reply #190 on: 23 Nov 2017, 20:15 »

The magical girl pose has made me slightly more open to Tilly. Anyway...

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« Reply #191 on: 23 Nov 2017, 20:17 »

I feel like Tilly would be really good at Churning!

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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #192 on: 23 Nov 2017, 20:33 »

Maybe Hannelore could appoint Tilly as the new Pizza Girl.  She has enough enthusiasm for the part and it would throw Faye off.
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« Reply #193 on: 23 Nov 2017, 21:21 »

Maybe Tilly was Pizza Girl all along!

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« Reply #194 on: 23 Nov 2017, 23:19 »

Here, ladies and gentlemen, is the real reason why Hannelore will never become a Bond villain like her mother: It's simply too much work to be evil (or even moderately assertive). It's one of the reasons why I suck at this sort of thing; why should I 'shop around' when I can afford my current plan and don't need anything extra? I mean, why go to the trouble of negotiating a new contract and deal with multiple levels of salesmen and paper from several different providers unless I absolutely have to?

Of course, Tilly is trying to offer to do that on Hannelore's behalf so as to save her the trouble but it's still in Hanners' nature to ask: "Why bother at all?"

I don't know about Tilly but I do know that Jeph has been binging on magical girl animé of late. Anyone else remember Sailor Hanners and Sailor Brun?
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #195 on: 23 Nov 2017, 23:43 »

Anyone else has a feeling that Taffy Tilly is actually gunning for the Ellicott-Chatham empire? As in, CEO?
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« Reply #196 on: 24 Nov 2017, 01:12 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

Well, I can happily inform you you can eat your own words, because the last panel of today's strip made me warm up to Tilly quite a lot. I don't quite know what it is, but she made me smile. So yeah, at least this one hater is gonna have to give her a chance.
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Re: WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
« Reply #197 on: 24 Nov 2017, 01:48 »

With 30+ Characters(?) adding a one trick pony like Tilly for another redemption arc feels really redundant. How often do we need Character with flaws joins the group, through the group has personal revelation and grows?
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« Reply #198 on: 24 Nov 2017, 02:01 »

Mostly, Tilly is there as a character foil for Hannelore but I don't think that the arc worked out quite the way Jeph originally planned. That said, I'm not expecting to see too much of her if, say, Hannelore either sends her back at the end of the arc or finds something out-of-town for her to do.
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« Reply #199 on: 24 Nov 2017, 02:21 »

I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.

I agree. It's not that Tilly has done something really horrible, by QC standards. Pintsize's behaviour is, on average, way worse. And, before someone says "oh, he's just an mechanical sidekick, whereas Tilly is an human being and should know better", think of the way Faye and Dora (both humans) treated COD costumers, not long ago. Should we ask them to leave the comic, too?

Difference being, customers chose to go to COD.
Hanners didn't ask for Tilly... and has in fact told her to leave her alone... and been ignored.

Personally, that's my main problem with Tilly.
Putting myself in Hanners' shoes, I doubt I would have been so understanding.

Odd thing though...
Todays strip where Tilly takes off her glasses?? - Didn't mind her quite so much!
How weird is that??!!

(Cos, you know... I was a "guy who made passes at girls who wore glasses"!)
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