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10 - Best character in the strip to date!

1 (1.1%)

9 - Not perfect but is someone doing interesting, useful and funny things

1 (1.1%)

8 - They're surprisingly good/funny/interesting

5 (5.6%)

7 - There's potential there for doing interesting/useful/funny things in the future

27 (30%)

6 - Ho-hum; Jeph needs to try harder if he wants me to be interested in them

7 (7.8%)

5 - Indifferent; don't care what happens with them

9 (10%)

4 - I really don't get what Jeph sees in them

15 (16.7%)

3 - I tend to skip over everything they say and do to focus on other characters

2 (2.2%)

2 - I actually get annoyed when they're in panel

9 (10%)

1 - You'd be happier if they're never shown again

14 (15.6%)

Total Members Voted: 82

[hakko504]

Question - Why would Tilly have a section dedicated to Hanner's friend's relationships?

Why not? The dossier was probably supposed to contain everything about Hannelore and the people she interacts with.

Question the second - How on earth would anyone know that Claire was Trans? The only ones who know (if I recall correctly) are her mother, Clinton, Marten and Emily. Its not been something Claire has been particularly shouting from the rooftops about.

Pintsize was told in 3185, and in 3337 she told Bubbles. However, it seems from the following pages that she had still not told Faye at that point, and I don't find any mention of that later, so presumably Faye still doesn't know.

[pwhodges]

Do they even make Grape-Nuts any more? I haven't seen it in any grocery store for years, perhaps decades. I thought they must have discontinued it.

I buy them regularly - my favourite cereal, from childhood.

[Storel]

Do they even make Grape-Nuts any more? I haven't seen it in any grocery store for years, perhaps decades. I thought they must have discontinued it.

It appears from postconsumerbrands.com that they're still around.  I always imagined Saki's Filboid Studge as being something like Grape Nuts.

Oh, interesting! I guess I haven't looked in the right stores. Granted, I don't buy cereal much anyway, so it's possible that it's been in plain sight without my noticing.

[Bad Superman]

The longer this Tilly-debacle continues, the more I wonder where this storyline is going...

Currently I can only see two ways for this arc to end:

1.: Tilly convinces Hannelore (somehow) that they are indeed a useful PA.
Of course this would make Tilly and Hannelore a not-quite-literal pair of siamese twins. But to what end? What's the goal here? Is there an interesting story ahead, that I just fail to see? And also, will ALL QC characters just accept Tillys nerve-wrecking behaviour? In case of Faye I highly doubt that and I think Dora isn't too fond of them either. So, for me, I just don't see how Tilly would fit in with the rest of the cast, and also I don't see anything interesting for them to do.

2.: Tilly fails (hopefully).
But then what? It has already been pointed out that Tilly seems to be here to stay, but with what function to fulfill within the comic? Will they become just another stray the QC crew adopts, after they get fired? (Because, just transferring them to a new... "victim"... would remove them from the comic, wouldn't it?) Will Tilly, as others have suggested, put their skills to use for Dora or maybe even for Faye and Bubbles (which in any case would require a radical change of attitude on Tillys part... if they want to live...)? I don't know, and to be honest, I don't find any of those scenarios appealing.


Any thoughts on that?

[zzyzx]

Currently I can only see two ways for this arc to end:

...
2.: Tilly fails (hopefully).
But then what? It has already been pointed out that Tilly seems to be here to stay, but with what function to fulfill within the comic? Will they become just another stray the QC crew adopts, after they get fired? (Because, just transferring them to a new... "victim"... would remove them from the comic, wouldn't it?) Will Tilly, as others have suggested, put their skills to use for Dora or maybe even for Faye and Bubbles (which in any case would require a radical change of attitude on Tillys part... if they want to live...)? I don't know, and to be honest, I don't find any of those scenarios appealing.

Maybe there are then consequences that Hannelore has to deal with. This could be a setup for a confrontation between her and her mom.

[lawoot]

Do they even make Grape-Nuts any more? I haven't seen it in any grocery store for years, perhaps decades. I thought they must have discontinued it.

It appears from postconsumerbrands.com that they're still around.  I always imagined Saki's Filboid Studge as being something like Grape Nuts.

Oh, interesting! I guess I haven't looked in the right stores. Granted, I don't buy cereal much anyway, so it's possible that it's been in plain sight without my noticing.

Usually on the top shelf, with all the other "It's good for you / kids won't like it" cereals.

[Thrudd]

Okay - I abstained as best I could and did the rest of this weeks strips in one go.
That did not help at all.

I have this underlying déjà vu feeling and was wracking my brain trying to figure out why and then it hit me - George Lucas.
He was enamored with Jar Jar. Unfortunately he had nobody to rein him in like in the first trilogy.
Like Jar Jar my guess is that there is a perfectly valid and interesting history and story arc for the character but the depiction up till now has been far short of what we have come to expect from him.
The pendulum has swung and hopefully it shall swing back sooner than latter.

[hakko504]

I have this underlying déjà vu feeling and was wracking my brain trying to figure out why and then it hit me - George Lucas.
He was enamored with Jar Jar. Unfortunately he had nobody to rein him in like in the first trilogy.
Like Jar Jar my guess is that there is a perfectly valid and interesting history and story arc for the character but the depiction up till now has been far short of what we have come to expect from him.

I take it you have only seen the movies and not the animated TV series The Clone Wars where Jar Jar is developed in a much better way. Still mostly comic relief but also with a much better understanding of his character and motivations.

[Tova]

Fools. Tilly was clearly planted by Beatrice, with the incorrect name "Taffy" planted in Hanners' mind to increase her sympathy for them. Further, it is clear from the increasing number of people whom the group have "adopted," such as Brun, that Beatrice has planted them all. This is all possible because Beatrice has subtly been manipulating their lives through the use of nano-machines invented by scientists that she first enslaved and later killed to hide the evidence.

Ultimately, Hanners will come to see how persecuted all of these friends are by the world, and she will gradually come to realise that the only way that she can make the world a better place is to take control of it. Towards the end, Marten will realise what is happening and try to intervene, but Beatrice will trick Hanners into thinking Marten is evil, and Beatrice will kill him. With force lightning.

Hanners will thus inherit Beatrice's business, and Beatrice's evil plans will come to fruition.

Beatrice probably eats pineapple and ham pizza, too. Monster.

[Thrudd]

No. I have seen the animated series but I take that as a band-aid on Lucas's bruised ego at that time between the last two films where the hastily written in count for the second film didn't quite pan all that well with the fans after the Jar Jar debacle in the first film.

There is a whole library of material written about what was done, could have been done, and what may have been happening behind the scenes but George and his precious ego will never come clean - my bet is that he destroyed all evidence of the original story-line and made everyone in the know sign nondisclosure's.

[TheEvilDog]

Beatrice probably eats pineapple and ham pizza, too. Monster.

Hey now, there's nothing wrong with a ham and pineapple pizza! Its tasty!

[Is it cold in here?]

When I think "manipulative" I'm thinking of the suicide threat.

[Case]

When I think "manipulative" I'm thinking of the suicide threat.

?

When? Who?

Ah! I saw that as so OTT that it didn't register.

Hmmmh - TBH, I'm not sure what to think now. On the one hand: Yeah, that's major-league fucked up. That's the point where I'd definitely involve authorities, and make sure they have my exhaustive statement on record, including my express wish that Tilly please neverever contact me again in this life or any other.

Otoh, I can't really picture Jeph as casually going over something like that like it's no big deal - so ... it has to be OTT, right?

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to learn to type faster, or go to bed.

[Penquin47]

When I think "manipulative" I'm thinking of the suicide threat.

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When? Who?

Tilly, here.  Whether you actually take it as a suicide threat or not, it's easy to see where it comes off as manipulative, especially given their willingness to call the cops on themself earlier.

Re: Tilly telling Marten they're nonbinary to gain favor with him: I didn't see anywhere in the theory that said they were faking it, just that's why they hadn't brought it up with Hanners or Winslow or Dora but it was one of the first things out of their mouth with Marten.  I still don't buy the theory - mostly because why should Tilly care that much about gaining favor with Marten?

[cloudatlatl]

There is a whole library of material written about what was done, could have been done, and what may have been happening behind the scenes but George and his precious ego will never come clean - my bet is that he destroyed all evidence of the original story-line and made everyone in the know sign nondisclosure's.

The original story, like where Jar Jar was supposed to be Sith Lord?
It's an interesting theory and here's a video about it if anyone is curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
As for Tilly... I see how they might be Jeph's Jar Jar in a way, but I don't think Jeph writes with the kind of grand themes and sweeping circular storylines that George Lucas does - in fact, I think a lot of the charm in Jeph's best writing comes from the fact that he doesn't plan out a lot in advance, he just lets his characters loose and looks for how they would naturally react to things.

Addendum: While a lack of story planning has given us some nice surprises, I think that's also why QC has been in Tilly purgatory for a month

[shanejayell]

The 'Help or Die' tat had me going 0_o

[BenRG]

Poll Results Post
Rate The Cutie - What do you think of Tilly?

10 - Best character in the strip to date! - 1 (1.1%)
9 - Not perfect but is someone doing interesting, useful and funny things - 1 (1.1%)
8 - They're surprisingly good/funny/interesting - 5 (5.6%)
7 - There's potential there for doing interesting/useful/funny things in the future - 27 (30%)
6 - Ho-hum; Jeph needs to try harder if he wants me to be interested in them - 7 (7.8%)
5 - Indifferent; don't care what happens with them - 9 (10%)
4 - I really don't get what Jeph sees in them - 15 (16.7%)
3 - I tend to skip over everything they say and do to focus on other characters - 2 (2.2%)
2 - I actually get annoyed when they're in panel - 9 (10%)
1 - You'd be happier if they're never shown again - 14 (15.6%)

With a poll like this, it's misleading to go by the mode vote, the single option that attracts the most responses. Rather, I'm going to calculate the mean value by way of totalling up the products of (Option value x number of votes) and dividing the total by the number of votes made, thus giving us a mathematical average.

Based on this method, the average rating given to Tilly is: 4.8

So, rounding to the nearest integer, the Will of the Forum is that Tilly is rated at 5 - Indifferent; don't care what happens with them. In truth, that fairly matches my own view of them. There is potential but they are really getting irritating on lots of levels and I really am having a hard time forgiving how miserable they are making Hannelore.

[Tova]

I agree that simply looking at the vote with the most votes is very misleading.

I personally feel, though, that the mode mean vote is also misleading. The results appear to show that the forumites are starkly divided into two main groups - one that sees potential in Tilly (7), and another that actively dislikes them to differing degrees (4 + 2 + 1).

Yes, the mean of those two groups is "indifferent." But it's pretty clear from reading recent posts that the majority of posters are far from indifferent.

There is potential but they are really getting irritating on lots of levels and I really am having a hard time forgiving how miserable they are making Hannelore.

That doesn't sound indifferent to me. Actually, this highlights a potential issue with the poll - you could honestly select either 7 or 2 based on the view above!

Edit: used the wrong word

[JoeCovenant]

To be honest, I saw the poll as a little bit weighted.
IE - Anything from 7 downward could be classed as negative (But 7 itself could be seen as semi-positive)

But, as I was a '1', I think my general feelings are plainly being reflected (in varying degrees) by the VAST majority of those who are commenting!

[dutchrvl]

Re: Tilly telling Marten they're nonbinary to gain favor with him: I didn't see anywhere in the theory that said they were faking it, just that's why they hadn't brought it up with Hanners or Winslow or Dora but it was one of the first things out of their mouth with Marten.  I still don't buy the theory - mostly because why should Tilly care that much about gaining favor with Marten?

I was going to say that it was the first time Hanners used a female pronoun for Tilly hence giving Tilly the first opportunity to point out that they use nonbinary pornouns.

However, then I noticed that in #3614 Hanners already introduced Tilly as 'she' to Dora, and Tilly made no attempt to offer the information about their preference of nonbinary pronouns, nor did they correct Dora when the latter immediately used a female pronoun for Tilly.

So, I think there is a distinct possibility that Tilly did to some extent premeditate when and with whom to introduce the pronoun subject.

[Cornelius]

I'm wondering to what degree the 27 7 votes just reflect a faith in Jeph knowing where he wants go.

[JoeCovenant]

I'm wondering to what degree the 27 7 votes just reflect a faith in Jeph knowing where he wants go.

Or hoping against hope that it'll get better...

[Technoir]

Winslow: "I'm jealous. Sharpie just wipes right of me".

So the question of the "spray" I mentioned previously seems to be settled...

Perhaps Winslow's dermal coating is a different material than Punkbot's?  Winslow could have some sort of graphite or teflon based polycoating that prevents stains or defacement...