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Bubbles

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Amanda

11 (19.6%)

Evie

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24 (42.9%)

Total Members Voted: 52

[fayelovesbubbles]

I'm just imagining that Evie has a parent, or an aunt, or an uncle, who'd look at her performance today and say, "Evie, I bless the world in which you can have possibly grown up so blessedly ignorant about how this shit works and how it feels, but we need to have a talk...."

And, seriously, that's just about all I've got for Evie.  She's young.  She's ignorant.  She's wallowing in privilege and, like most young ignorant people wallowing in privilege, she can be hurtful without realizing it.  This is called the arrogance of youth, and it tends to wear off eventually. But I don't see any actual malice.  She doesn't need a punch in the face, she needs a remedial course in empathy and some learning experience.  As a person of color, she likely has some relatives who can provide both.

Part of my reaction to her is probably partly because of dealing with women like her in my women's studies courses when I was in college. Graduate students can be the absolute worst.

[TheEvilDog]

That's just it. Evie is still technically a student. Everything she has learned is from a textbook or is the secondhand experience of her lecturers. She has the theoretical knowledge, she just doesn't have the practical experience to temper youthful enthusiasm. In a real life setting away from college, if she acted like that towards a more volatile person, she'd probably get a bollicking that would teach her a lesson.

But here's the thing, sharing of knowledge and communication are two way streets. If two people are having a conversation and one is oblivious to the discomfort they are causing, its up to the other to say to them "Look, can you stop? You're making me feel really comfortable with the way you're talking." Straight away, you're telling someone that they are screwing up and they'll listen (or at least, they should). That inability to communicate is actually one of Bubbles' main flaws, she doesn't tell people how she might feel which deepens her problems which leads to more lack of communication and we get into a vicious circle.

The questions we should be asking might be more to do with Bubbles and less to do with Evie. Both Evie and Amanda are only serving as the catalyst and launch point for this story, they aren't necessarily the ones who will change for it being told. That's Faye and Bubbles.

Basically, its pointless getting upset over a character who is only doing what they are written to do and who will most likely disappear in a couple of strips anyway.

[Wombat]

New comic.

I feel like Evie and Amanda are looking at Faye with shipper-eyes. Like, maybe those are "what you just said is really cute" eyes, but they feel like shipper eyes. And don't get me wrong, I'm personally all aboard this ship, but I don't see anything Faye just said as particularly romantic? Maybe it's in Faye's expression. Could also be tonally, but since Jeph is aware this is a comic, probably not.

Or those aren't shipper-eyes and I'm dumb, idk.

[SpanielBear]

That looks painful. They should see an optician asap.
(also I'm colourblind so could someone just clarify for me- are their eyes red? Do we have a Code Stoker situation here!?)

[TheEvilDog]

Funnily enough, all their eyes are brown.

[Tova]

Brown with little pink hearts in the centre.

Yeah, shipper eyes.

[shanejayell]

Awwww. 

[brasca]

Well after all this heaviness it's nice to end the week with something sweet.

[Bad Superman]

I didn't know "Robo Shipping" is a thing. There really is a trope for everything it seems...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoboShip

Faye and Bubbles are mentioned in the Web Comic section.

[ToodleLew]

New comic.

I feel like Evie and Amanda are looking at Faye with shipper-eyes. Like, maybe those are "what you just said is really cute" eyes, but they feel like shipper eyes. And don't get me wrong, I'm personally all aboard this ship, but I don't see anything Faye just said as particularly romantic? Maybe it's in Faye's expression. Could also be tonally, but since Jeph is aware this is a comic, probably not.

Zoom in on their pupils. Definitely "romantic";  their pupils are little pink hearts.
Looks like shipping to me.

[TRenn]

"Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind."
--The Doctor, "Twice Upon a Time."

[Wombat]

New comic.

I feel like Evie and Amanda are looking at Faye with shipper-eyes. Like, maybe those are "what you just said is really cute" eyes, but they feel like shipper eyes. And don't get me wrong, I'm personally all aboard this ship, but I don't see anything Faye just said as particularly romantic? Maybe it's in Faye's expression. Could also be tonally, but since Jeph is aware this is a comic, probably not.

Zoom in on their pupils. Definitely "romantic";  their pupils are little pink hearts.
Looks like shipping to me.

Oh, I could tell they were hearts on my first read through. I just also get heart eyes when I see something like a dog and a cat who are best friends, so as much as it seems like shipper eyes, I leave room for things like hearts, sweetness, love, etc. to be non-romantic.

[fayelovesbubbles]

Took me a second look to see the hearts. I feel like they're going to embarrass Faye horribly. I can feel it.

[Storel]

Brown with little pink hearts in the centre.

Yeah, shipper eyes.

Ha, I totally missed the little pink hearts in their eyes until you pointed them out. Thank you!

And yes, I agree, those are shipper eyes.

Oh, I could tell they were hearts on my first read through. I just also get heart eyes when I see something like a dog and a cat who are best friends, so as much as it seems like shipper eyes, I leave room for things like hearts, sweetness, love, etc. to be non-romantic.

Hmm, good point. Okay, yes, they could be "Aww, isn't that sweet" eyes... But I'm still betting on shipper eyes.

[Timemaster]

Oh dear, I think I'm as creeped out by this situation as Faye is.
Maybe because I'm not shipping Faye and Bubs at all. I like them and love to watch their friendship develloping. But thinking of them as romantically inclined gives me shivers.

Great, now I'm thinking of it.
*shiver*

If Jeph wants to explore the twists and turns of robosexuality (is that the correct word?) I'd prefer any other couple. Momo and Sven for example. Or May and Marten. That would really be interesting. 
But not Faye and Bubbles, please.

Timemaster

[MrNumbers]

I think y'all are thinking about this one too hard.™

[Tova]

It's What We Do Here.™

[BenRG]

Oh dear, I do think that Amanda and Evie have entered the 'Faybles Squee' zone! Seriously, I can see how they could interpret this as Faye talking about how she's gone about romancing Bubbles; she isn't but I could see how they could interpret it that way. I'm pretty sure that there was zero intent to romance Bubbles on Faye's part; Bubbles seems to have fallen in love with her anyway.

I think that Faye, in her own way, has hit the nail on the head. In various ways, Bubbles has suffered a lot of abuse in her life and that has left behavioural and emotional scars. When you're dealing with people like that, you have to give them time and space to open up in their own way and on their own terms so that they don't feel threatened anymore.

What am I expecting next week? I'm thinking that Faye will get annoyed with her two new shippers and go back home to complain to Bubbles about how ridiculous their entire viewpoint is. It's at that point that she realises that maybe it isn't ridiculous, at least on Bubbles' part (possibly just by a judicious use of some flashbacks) and she'll then have to figure out what she feels and what to do about it.

[hedgie]

If Jeph wants to explore the twists and turns of robosexuality (is that the correct word?) I'd prefer any other couple. Momo and Sven for example.

I suspect that if that ship were ever to set sail, Momo would first need to switch to a chassis that doesn't look like a young teenager.  Also, as far as character goes, she'd have to undergo some develop a bit, IMO.

[hakko504]

robosexuality (is that the correct word?)

It has been used before in the forums (including a post by myself IIRC) to describe (mostly May's) the exploration of sexuality between robots and humans, so I think it's appropriate.

If Jeph wants to explore the twists and turns of robosexuality I'd prefer any other couple. Momo and Sven for example.

I suspect that if that ship were ever to set sail, Momo would first need to switch to a chassis that doesn't look like a young teenager.  Also, as far as character goes, she'd have to undergo some develop a bit, IMO.

There might be laws preventing the installation of specific options in robots that could be taken for a human teenager (or younger). There was a bit in Swedish newspapers a while ago about realistic sex-dolls of younger girls being seized by customs because they were (quoting from memory) "enabling the production of child porn".
That said, Momo and Sven would be interesting to see how that works out: The innocent robot and the womaniser. I don't think it will happen though, so far we've only seen Momo (and May) show any interest in that ship and nothing at all even remotely romantic from Sven towards Momo.

[fayelovesbubbles]

Oh dear, I think I'm as creeped out by this situation as Faye is.
Maybe because I'm not shipping Faye and Bubs at all. I like them and love to watch their friendship develloping. But thinking of them as romantically inclined gives me shivers.

Great, now I'm thinking of it.
*shiver*

If Jeph wants to explore the twists and turns of robosexuality (is that the correct word?) I'd prefer any other couple. Momo and Sven for example. Or May and Marten. That would really be interesting. 
But not Faye and Bubbles, please.

Timemaster

I mean, it's been made very clear that Bubbles has feelings for Faye. Why exactly are you so creeped out by it?

[fayelovesbubbles]

Bubbles seems to have fallen in love with her anyway.

Thank you for acknowledging this. For months, people have been dancing around it, pretending it away, and I'm sick of it. Bubbles is in love with Faye.

My username is the unknown quantity, to be fair. I do think Faye loves Bubbles, but maybe not in the way Bubbles wants.

[Case]

I also want to point out that it's SUPER OBVIOUS to me that Evie doesn't listen because she doesn't think Bubbles has anything to teach her. She's the smartest person in the world and obviously she's right about everything. She's talking AT Bubbles, not TO her. And i think this is a communication problem she has with a lot of people. Even her comment to Amanda reveals that she's constantly correcting people and acting smarter than thou.

Part of my reaction to her is probably partly because of dealing with women like her in my women's studies courses when I was in college. Graduate students can be the absolute worst.

Please tell me all this drama is not you hating on your old TA from way back when because she had the gall of doing her job?

[traroth]

Nobody has seen THAT coming, right? 

[Wombat]

I also want to point out that it's SUPER OBVIOUS to me that Evie doesn't listen because she doesn't think Bubbles has anything to teach her. She's the smartest person in the world and obviously she's right about everything. She's talking AT Bubbles, not TO her. And i think this is a communication problem she has with a lot of people. Even her comment to Amanda reveals that she's constantly correcting people and acting smarter than thou.

Part of my reaction to her is probably partly because of dealing with women like her in my women's studies courses when I was in college. Graduate students can be the absolute worst.

Please tell me all this drama is not you hating on your old TA from way back when because she had the gall of doing her job?

I honestly don't know how you arrived at that conclusion based on what you quoted; for one they (she? Sorry, don't really know people) said womEn IN her courses. Beyond that, from what she said, had she been referring to a TA, there would have been lots of room to view said hypothetical TA as having done her job poorly.

I don't agree with the condemnation of Evie, but jeez.

[pwhodges]

Anime Eyes! -- just sayin'...

[fayelovesbubbles]

Please tell me all this drama is not you hating on your old TA from way back when because she had the gall of doing her job?

Nope. Evie is annoying, and thoughtless, and reminds me of smarter than thou women I encountered in college. Some of them were my teachers, yes, but disliking Evie has nothing to do with them. I only made the association after some discussion here, like "ohhhh...those are the annoying as shit people she reminds me of."

[Tova]

What do you mean by "smarter than thou," exactly? Do you mean arrogant?

[daphne]

What do you mean by "smarter than thou," exactly? Do you mean arrogant?

This poster (fayelovesbubbles) kind of seems to have a negative opinion on women. I wonder if they are a male or woman.

[pwhodges]

This poster (fayelovesbubbles) kind of seems to have a negative opinion on women. I wonder if they are a male or woman.

That's a sweeping condemnation, being based on a single dislike (which after all would have a ~50% chance of being female).  What's more, they've also just told us they are on a "women's studies" course, which would seem unlikely if they had a general dislike of them.

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Please try to avoid jumping to conclusions like that.

[Gyrre]

Her confused reaction to Melon offering $100 could be because she feels that's a lot, but she's gonna take it because a) small business and b) she did work for a customer.

That's supposition on my part, I accept, but it does seem to fit with what we're shown

Quite apart from the fact that Faye's reaction (I would not remotely call it "confusion") came from the fact that she KNEW being offered $100 for turning off a battery powered... 'massage device'... was utterly insane...  (By the sounds of things she didn't even give her new batteries. ("It NEEDS new batteries", not,  "It only needed new batteries")

$100 for a 30 second 'fix'? Nah, Faye was *wrong* to take it.

And the important part is not that the $100 was offered. It's that it was offered with the words "Is that a good amount to offer you?"
Faye, instead of saying "Whoa! Dude! That's like WAY too much!", saw the cash and answered in a literal sense that it "was" a "good amount" to give to her, because $100 is a good amount of money. That was what her reaction was.

But she knew she was exploiting Melon... that is undeniable.
And that's what is jarring when we look at Faye's character.

As has been mentioned above, if that little nugget got out, the business would collapse screaming.
And it really seems out-of-character for Faye to rip someone off like that... that's all.

As someone who went through a fair deal of counseling for a phobia on the following matter, GERMS!
That thing was in one or more of someone else's three main orifices.

[traroth]

You wouldn't use someone else's toothbrush, after all...

[traroth]

Please tell me all this drama is not you hating on your old TA from way back when because she had the gall of doing her job?

Nope. Evie is annoying, and thoughtless, and reminds me of smarter than thou women I encountered in college. Some of them were my teachers, yes, but disliking Evie has nothing to do with them. I only made the association after some discussion here, like "ohhhh...those are the annoying as shit people she reminds me of."

I don't understand why people dislike Evie. In the #3656 comic, she hurted unwillingly Bubbles' feelings, but that happens. If you speak with people, you will sometimes hurt their fillings, most of the time without even knowing it. And as for Bubbles saying it feels unpleasant to have her living experience treated as a sociological case study, that's what we all are, for sociologues (and for a whole bunch of researchers), it's in no way specific to robot AIs. She has reasons to be hurt and to be really sensitive, but Evie has no way to know that. Evie seems to be passionnate for her domain of study, and that's actually great, in my opinion.

[Dal Gurak]

The impression I get from a lot of people on this board is the only way to avoid ever hurting someone’s feelings is to avoid interaction altogether.

That's pretty much why I very rarely talk to people, and never unless spoken to first.  If someone at work gets a haircut, and my thought when I see it is 'oh wow, that looks great', I'd never think of saying it out loud, lest I be reprimanded for harrassment or something.  There's something most people can do that's called 'reading a room', I think?  Where they seem to know what will be okay to say and what won't, not based on the thing being said but the people it's being said to?  That's pretty much magic from my perspective - can't do it at all.  I try to be respectful and kind to everybody when I do have to talk, but that'll only get you so far.  So yeah, like you said, only way to avoid hurting someone, making someone angry, getting into hot water, or otherwise causing a big mess ... is to just keep your mouth shut.  Especially for us charisma-impaired folks.

[Is it cold in here?]

What if Bubbles discovers she's been compared to a nuclear weapon and a dog on the same day?

Faye meant it in a way consistent with respect but who's going to bet Bubbles would take it that way?

BTW:
"Robosexuality" is a term that's been used in the comic.

Bubbles herself says she doesn't know what her feelings toward Faye are. Love is a very real possibility, but so is a crush or an unusually tender friendship.

[JoeCovenant]

Her confused reaction to Melon offering $100 could be because she feels that's a lot, but she's gonna take it because a) small business and b) she did work for a customer.

That's supposition on my part, I accept, but it does seem to fit with what we're shown

Quite apart from the fact that Faye's reaction (I would not remotely call it "confusion") came from the fact that she KNEW being offered $100 for turning off a battery powered... 'massage device'... was utterly insane...  (By the sounds of things she didn't even give her new batteries. ("It NEEDS new batteries", not,  "It only needed new batteries")

$100 for a 30 second 'fix'? Nah, Faye was *wrong* to take it.

And the important part is not that the $100 was offered. It's that it was offered with the words "Is that a good amount to offer you?"
Faye, instead of saying "Whoa! Dude! That's like WAY too much!", saw the cash and answered in a literal sense that it "was" a "good amount" to give to her, because $100 is a good amount of money. That was what her reaction was.

But she knew she was exploiting Melon... that is undeniable.
And that's what is jarring when we look at Faye's character.

As has been mentioned above, if that little nugget got out, the business would collapse screaming.
And it really seems out-of-character for Faye to rip someone off like that... that's all.

If I take my laptop to a repair shop, they check it over and see it is just a broken battery, and tell me I need a new one, they would still charge me a consultation fee. It's them valuing their time and the fact that they provided a service I could not. And that's before I make them touch something of unknown provenance. I'd find $100 bucks expensive (and very weird as I live in the UK), but a flat £40 consultation fee (around $50 I think?) isn't unusual.

What's more, you keep saying exploited like Melon is a vulnerable adult without agency. We know she holds down a job (however creepy), can manage interpersonal relationships and decide whether something is of reasonable value to her (see her complaining about the $75 ass repair). She may not know what a sex toy is, but she isn't an absolute naif. Faye could have asked for Melon to give her less, but to say that she *had* to or else exploitation is essentially saying Melon is a child who needs protection, which is not something the strip has ever implied.

What's more more, Faye is utterly surrounded by wacky AI high-jinks(tm). In one week she may be expected to create a robo-dong, fix an ass, repair a fighting obsessed accountant's punching arm on daily basis and then diagnose an angry sex toy. Trying to impose logic was a lost cause about 3000 strips ago, now just rolling with the punches is how she gets through the day. She has learned that AI's are agents, but not necessarily human ones with human drives or decision making. So she doesn't question when they do things she finds weird, especially on the rare occasions it benefits her.

What's more more more... I got nothing. Rule of three.

Hmmm.. see, *I* think that what you just described to me above.. *is* exploitation...

(I don't see any correlation whatsoever in checking a laptop's battery with unscrewing the battery cap on a 'massage aid'.
And any business that charged a full hour's "consultation" fee for 10 seconds of work would soon lose a LOT of work.)

Don't get me wrong... there are always REALLY weird things in this strip about money.
(Remember the "consultation fee" that Clinton was basically menaced out of?)
But this one jarred, because Faye isn't like that...
Yes, it was a joke, but at detriment to character.

(Sorry, I'm all caught up in "story-telling" right now (you probably notice din the Star Wars thread... things like this are appearing like raw, open wounds to me just now!)    )

[JoeCovenant]

You wouldn't use someone else's toothbrush, after all...

But you also wouldn't charge someone $100 dollars to look at it for 10 seconds and tell them they needed new batteries in it.

[traroth]

Just one more thing: Yeah, it is a shitty comparison, Faye...

[traroth]

You wouldn't use someone else's toothbrush, after all...

But you also wouldn't charge someone $100 dollars to look at it for 10 seconds and tell them they needed new batteries in it.

Yeah, for that price, I would at least expect the new batteries to be provided! 

Actually, my comment was related to the previous comment about germs...

[JoeCovenant]

The impression I get from a lot of people on this board is the only way to avoid ever hurting someone’s feelings is to avoid interaction altogether.

The discussion about this , I am sure, could garner it's own thread.
Suffice it to say that on the whole, I agree.

But not because of "the people on this board"... it just seems to be the way the human race is looking right now.

"The Offended" have never been so quick to play "The Victim" card.
And, touchy subject though it may be, the insidious "New Puritanism" is also a part of this Mega Offense Offensive that seems to be en vogue at the moment.

Few people actively go out of their way to deliberately offend people, unless they are media shills touting for the outrage dollar (Hi Katie! Got another job yet!?) but it's almost getting to the point where having ANY opinion which differs from ANYONE else's is being viewed as a slur...

(Case in point? Tova directed me to an article about the new Star Wars movie. Those who dislike it are explaining why (for the most part) intelligently and with reasonable debate... And those who like the movie are adding the words "these Fanboy" into their responses... which serves only as an attempt to undermine the actual meat of the argument as something trivial. (As if ANY side of such a debate ISN'T! Ultimately it's only a bloody movie... but that's speaking from a point of SOLID logic and ignoring any culture around it))

The culture of casual insult has seen the birth of a culture of constant offense.

I dunno what the answer to it is other than to scrutinise every single word and parse ever single sentence you may speak before you ever do so.
And that way leads both madness and a lessening of the human race.
Do we need offense? No, but we DO need to stop LOOKING for it... because if you are looking for offense in every interaction you make... you WILL find it.)

NB: And, now to ensure YOU don't take offense, I add this at the end to remind readers that the *you* at the end of my sentence is generic...
(See what I mean!) 

[SpanielBear]

Her confused reaction to Melon offering $100 could be because she feels that's a lot, but she's gonna take it because a) small business and b) she did work for a customer.

That's supposition on my part, I accept, but it does seem to fit with what we're shown

Quite apart from the fact that Faye's reaction (I would not remotely call it "confusion") came from the fact that she KNEW being offered $100 for turning off a battery powered... 'massage device'... was utterly insane...  (By the sounds of things she didn't even give her new batteries. ("It NEEDS new batteries", not,  "It only needed new batteries")

$100 for a 30 second 'fix'? Nah, Faye was *wrong* to take it.

And the important part is not that the $100 was offered. It's that it was offered with the words "Is that a good amount to offer you?"
Faye, instead of saying "Whoa! Dude! That's like WAY too much!", saw the cash and answered in a literal sense that it "was" a "good amount" to give to her, because $100 is a good amount of money. That was what her reaction was.

But she knew she was exploiting Melon... that is undeniable.
And that's what is jarring when we look at Faye's character.

As has been mentioned above, if that little nugget got out, the business would collapse screaming.
And it really seems out-of-character for Faye to rip someone off like that... that's all.

If I take my laptop to a repair shop, they check it over and see it is just a broken battery, and tell me I need a new one, they would still charge me a consultation fee. It's them valuing their time and the fact that they provided a service I could not. And that's before I make them touch something of unknown provenance. I'd find $100 bucks expensive (and very weird as I live in the UK), but a flat £40 consultation fee (around $50 I think?) isn't unusual.

What's more, you keep saying exploited like Melon is a vulnerable adult without agency. We know she holds down a job (however creepy), can manage interpersonal relationships and decide whether something is of reasonable value to her (see her complaining about the $75 ass repair). She may not know what a sex toy is, but she isn't an absolute naif. Faye could have asked for Melon to give her less, but to say that she *had* to or else exploitation is essentially saying Melon is a child who needs protection, which is not something the strip has ever implied.

What's more more, Faye is utterly surrounded by wacky AI high-jinks(tm). In one week she may be expected to create a robo-dong, fix an ass, repair a fighting obsessed accountant's punching arm on daily basis and then diagnose an angry sex toy. Trying to impose logic was a lost cause about 3000 strips ago, now just rolling with the punches is how she gets through the day. She has learned that AI's are agents, but not necessarily human ones with human drives or decision making. So she doesn't question when they do things she finds weird, especially on the rare occasions it benefits her.

What's more more more... I got nothing. Rule of three.

Hmmm.. see, *I* think that what you just described to me above.. *is* exploitation...

(I don't see any correlation whatsoever in checking a laptop's battery with unscrewing the battery cap on a 'massage aid'.
And any business that charged a full hour's "consultation" fee for 10 seconds of work would soon lose a LOT of work.)

Don't get me wrong... there are always REALLY weird things in this strip about money.
(Remember the "consultation fee" that Clinton was basically menaced out of?)
But this one jarred, because Faye isn't like that...
Yes, it was a joke, but at detriment to character.

(Sorry, I'm all caught up in "story-telling" right now (you probably notice din the Star Wars thread... things like this are appearing like raw, open wounds to me just now!)    )

Star Wars is a can of wyrms...

No need to apologise for defending your point of view, as long as we aren't de-railing the thread I've been enjoying the discussion. And it's not like I *know* what Jeph intends to do or how he wanted that interaction to be perceived- next week could easily prove me wrong.

That said, I am interested in what you mean by exploitation here, because that seems to be where our main disagreement lies. 'Cause even I think $100 is a lot of money. But to me, exploitation would be where an individual or organisation in a position of power takes advantage of a weaker entity, in an unbalanced relationship where the weaker entity feels or is actually unable to prevent the relationship occurring.

So why I don't think it applies in this case is two-fold: Firstly, the imbalance isn't there- Melon and Faye are operating in a regular client/customer relationship, and there is no indication that either is acting outside of those common roles. Secondly, even if we do assert that this relationship is unequal (say due to Faye's human privilege), it still remains that Melon was not in a position where she was forced to give Faye the money- she offered it freely. If that is problematic, we are back to arguing as to whether Melon has capacity, or should be seen as especially vulnerable, which I don't think she is.

tldr- Melon paid first #awfulStarWarsjoke.

[fayelovesbubbles]

Does anyone remember when Raven compared Faye being mean to a kitty scratching someone? Faye's comparison isn't unique to AIs. I don't think Faye meant anything bad by it.

I can be abrasive and I know I've even made the comparison of myself to cats that nobody takes at the shelter because they aren't immediately sweet and friendly.

[traroth]

Does anyone remember when Raven compared Faye being mean to a kitty scratching someone? Faye's comparison isn't unique to AIs. I don't think Faye meant anything bad by it.

I can be abrasive and I know I've even made the comparison of myself to cats that nobody takes at the shelter because they aren't immediately sweet and friendly.

One might argue that being compared to a cat is not nearly as insulting as being compared to a dog. Yeah, it's unfair for the dogs...

In several languages, "dog" is an insult. I don't know any where "cat" is.

Fun fact: Faye's comparison works exactly the same with a cat. Maybe she should have chosen a more purring animal...

[JoeCovenant]

tldr- Melon paid first #awfulStarWarsjoke.

Excuse the snippage... (Page is becoming too "JoeCovenant Quote" heavy even for MY liking, so I can imagine others chagrin!   )

I think your tldr actually sums up my problem.

Melon didn't *pay* - she asked if the money she offered was enough.
IE: Melon put herself into Faye's hands re: what this should cost (if ANYTHING).
Faye took it all = Exploitation.

(That's basically my entire argument in three sentences! Why can't I do that all the time!??!?)

("Yeah, Dude! Why CAN'T you!?" - Entire Forum Readership... 

[JoeCovenant]

Does anyone remember when Raven compared Faye being mean to a kitty scratching someone? Faye's comparison isn't unique to AIs. I don't think Faye meant anything bad by it.

I can be abrasive and I know I've even made the comparison of myself to cats that nobody takes at the shelter because they aren't immediately sweet and friendly.

One might argue that being compared to a cat is not nearly as insulting as being compared to a dog. Yeah, it's unfair for the dogs...

In several languages, "dog" is an insult. I don't know any where "cat" is.

'Catty' can be seen as an insult.
'Pussy' certainly can!

But yeah.. Dogz ROOL!    (or is that Dogs Drool??)

[traroth]

Does anyone remember when Raven compared Faye being mean to a kitty scratching someone? Faye's comparison isn't unique to AIs. I don't think Faye meant anything bad by it.

I can be abrasive and I know I've even made the comparison of myself to cats that nobody takes at the shelter because they aren't immediately sweet and friendly.

One might argue that being compared to a cat is not nearly as insulting as being compared to a dog. Yeah, it's unfair for the dogs...

In several languages, "dog" is an insult. I don't know any where "cat" is.

'Catty' can be seen as an insult.
'Pussy' certainly can!

But yeah.. Dogz ROOL!    (or is that Dogs Drool??)

Now you are stretching things a bit. If you go that road, "bitch" is also an insult, but it's not the same word and not the same meaning. Ok, I confess I didn't knew the word "catty". I'm always happy to enrich my english vocabulary...

[SpanielBear]

She didn't *pay* - she asked if the money she offered was enough.
IE: She put herself into Faye's hands re: what this should cost (if ANYTHING).
Faye took it all = Exploitation.

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So to be reductive, our disagreement becomes (and do correct me if I'm wrong)

"That's awful! All she did offscreen was look at a vibrator for a few seconds! She can't possibly justify taking that much money"

"Hmmm. I guess offscreen she checked over the object, handled an unsanitary product and served a customer. Maybe that's worth $100. I can see why she took the money"

In which case, we are now arguing about fictional events we never saw. Which is certainly the point at which I start to feel a little silly.

So a courteous bow to you sir and others as worthy opponents. I find honour to be satisfied and withdraw from the duel. 

[pwhodges]

I don't know any where "cat" is.

English:  "She's a catty woman".

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[TheEvilDog]

There is an alternative that people have not considered.

What if Melon wanted to give the business money?

Its clear that Union Robotics isn't doing that well if Faye isn't budgeting money for something vital like food. Sure, they're doing repairs and doing a little ink, but that's not going to keep things afloat for too long.

Word might have gotten out that UR is fairly quiet and to an eccentric AI like Melon, she might want to help without looking like she's helping. Therefore, grab a dildo, take it in for a "check", pays the fee and throws in a substantial tip.

Sure, this is a wild theory, but it still certainly merits some thought.

[JoeCovenant]

There is an alternative that people have not considered.

What if Melon wanted to give the business money?

Its clear that Union Robotics isn't doing that well if Faye isn't budgeting money for something vital like food. Sure, they're doing repairs and doing a little ink, but that's not going to keep things afloat for too long.

Word might have gotten out that UR is fairly quiet and to an eccentric AI like Melon, she might want to help without looking like she's helping. Therefore, grab a dildo, take it in for a "check", pays the fee and throws in a substantial tip.

Sure, this is a wild theory, but it still certainly merits some thought.

That's an excellent theory!
I don't care if it's based on nothing but supposition - I will die on this Hill, because it's either that or ;

a) Faye was an exploitative... person
                         or
b) Melon is WAY to infantile to be given money!