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Guesses to the first panel of each of this week's comics?

Amanda or Evie asks how long Faye and Bubbles have been dating
Evie has a horrible realization
Melon is their waitress and the bug thing was just a metaphor.
Evie apologizes to Bubbles back at U.R.
Melon reports back the next day that the "robo-penis" seems much happier and is "rather attached to Aurthur".
Amanda on the floor of Union Robtics laughing uncontrollably  followed by a flashback alluding to the above option.
Evie asks Bubbles to critic her presentation.
Melon invites Pintsize over to play with her new pet
Brun, Clinton, Elliott and Reneé standing in awkward silence.
Emily bumps into Melon as she's leaving Union Robotics
Steve eats cereal
Martin and Claire eat cereal
Marigold eats cereal for dinner

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 21 Jan 2018, 17:06 »

Hang on, I didn't include enough votes for the poll.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 21 Jan 2018, 19:26 »

Faye, you're about to break the first rule of robot fight club!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 21 Jan 2018, 20:00 »

"Robot sex dungeon"

 :lol: :laugh: :-D

Bubbles would CHOKE right there...

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 21 Jan 2018, 20:01 »

Okay, I think I see where this is going now.

In her offscreen conversation with Bubbles, Evie didn't say anything horribly bigoted about AIs in general. Instead, she put forth her working theory that the true determining factor of sentience is continuity of experience (or something along those lines). She assumed that it was a reassuring statement, but she had no idea that Bubbles had had her memory wiped.

Faye is going to reveal this information to Evie now, and Evie is going to realize her awful mistake.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 21 Jan 2018, 20:11 »

"Robot sex dungeon"

 :lol: :laugh: :-D

Bubbles would CHOKE Evie right there...

(with an USB cable or three ...)

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 21 Jan 2018, 21:02 »

"Robot sex dungeon"

 :lol: :laugh: :-D

Bubbles would CHOKE right there...

...I mean...to Punchbot it seemed almost like it was at times. >.>

Faye is going to reveal this information to Evie now, and Evie is going to realize her awful mistake.

This sounds plausible, but I'm not sure Faye would feel it's her place to share those specific details with a relative stranger, rather than the already mentioned "been through some shit" ambiguity.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 21 Jan 2018, 21:10 »

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL...

Bubbles: "Are you here to enter him in the fights?"
Pintsize: "I'm a lover, not a fighter!"
Bubbles: "We have a tournament for that, as well."

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 21 Jan 2018, 21:12 »

Well... there were robots...
and lots of very loud, ah, banging... literally.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 21 Jan 2018, 21:48 »

With the poll, another possibility could be "Melon is a waitress, and the bug thing wasn't a metaphor."  :evil:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 21 Jan 2018, 22:19 »

I have to say, a lot of those poll options don’t feel like the start of a comic, they feel more like punchlines.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 21 Jan 2018, 23:21 »

You know, it really isn't fair, the way Amanda and Evie are laughing to themselves about Faye's feelings for Bubbles. That said, I suppose that it's a sign of emotional maturity on their part that they're not needling her about it or going 'Squee' and babbling about 'planning for the big day'. From that, they could probably teach Claire a lot about controlling your reactions! :-D

I think I can see where Jeph is taking this now. Faye coming to a realisation simply because she has to explain something that she's never bothered to think about herself to someone else.

"Robot sex dungeon"

 :lol: :laugh: :-D

Bubbles would CHOKE right there...

Either that or we would learn that robots can snort-giggle. Or, possibly, look at Faye and blush brightly, something which Faye won't understand at all.

P.S.: Can anyone read  the diner's name on the menus? It looks like 'Happy Hour' or 'Happy House' to me.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 22 Jan 2018, 00:46 »

It looks like an advertisement for their happy hour.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 22 Jan 2018, 00:50 »

I can't possibly be the first to point this out, but I stumbled across #2262 just now and it involves a suggestion that Faye leave Angus for a female robot.

P.S.: Can anyone read  the diner's name on the menus? It looks like 'Happy Hour' or 'Happy House' to me.

My guess is that card on the table is just advertising the happy hour specials (common term for 'earlier than normal time for alcohol' in the bar/restaurant world, in America at least) and is not the name of the place.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 22 Jan 2018, 03:20 »

Well... there were robots...
and lots of very loud, ah, banging... literally.

And possibly clanking from the sound of things.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 22 Jan 2018, 04:41 »


The way this is playing out, with A and E pretty much smirking all the way through this, and Faye totally unaware of it, makes me wonder what her reaction is going to be like when/if the penny eventually drops.

(Or they flat out just ASK her)

I'm finding it hard to read their expressions though.
Initially I thought it was "Awh how cute! she doesn't KNOW she's smitten with the big robot lady!"
but today's (Amanda especially) makes me think... "Is she laughing AT Faye??"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 22 Jan 2018, 05:06 »

P.S.: Can anyone read  the diner's name on the menus? It looks like 'Happy Hour' or 'Happy House' to me.

Sometimes I can match up a location in QC to a real-life Northampton counterpart (for example, Clinton and Brun clearly ate at Local Burger), but I'm struggling with this one. I don't know a place in town that looks like a diner but has live music and a happy hour.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 22 Jan 2018, 08:03 »

Well... there were robots...
and lots of very loud, ah, banging... literally.

And possibly clanking from the sound of things.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #19 on: 22 Jan 2018, 18:13 »

If Evie met Pintsize I can see how she might jump to that conclusion.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 22 Jan 2018, 18:21 »

I guess I'm seeing this exactly opposite from the general response.  I don't think that Faye is smitten with Bubbles. Don't get me wrong: Faye's very, very fond of Bubbles and cares very much about her. They've been through Hell together, and between Bubbles keeping Faye sober and Faye keeping Bubbles from imploding after the memory arc, there is no way that they couldn't be tightly bound to one another.

I just don't think that Faye feels romantically attracted to Bubbles. I think that Amanda, Evie, and Claire, are reading something into her behavior which just isn't there.

But I'd be truly happy to be wrong -- it'd make for some first-rate conflict and character development. Also, squeeing.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 22 Jan 2018, 18:37 »

The most natural reading of Faye's comments is as you said close friendship. There is some room to see unacknowledged romantic interest.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 22 Jan 2018, 19:25 »

I do think that there is a certain kind of love from Faye for Bubbles, I just don't think its romantic.

I don't know how many people have ready CS Lewis' book "The Four Loves", but there's one he discusses called "Philia", the friend bond, when one sees another as close to them as a sibling. Its the one that develops between two people with similar interests, values or in the case of Bubbles and Faye, similar pasts. Both had to deal with extremely traumatic events in their respective pasts; Faye's father committing suicide, Bubbles' team getting killed. Both tried to get away from those events that eventually affected them (Faye's alcoholism, Bubbles' locking the memories and accidental loss of said memories). Both hit rock bottom, but while Faye had Marten and Dora and Hanners, who did Bubbles have? Corpse Witch, the one who had her in that position in the first place. Faye saw herself in Bubbles and has tried to help her, still trying to help her. And Bubbles has done the same with Faye.

The problem is that Bubbles might be feeling "Eros", Erotic/Romantic love (or what people tend to think of today as "the only kind" of love).

There's certainly love between Bubbles and Faye, but I'm also certain that Faye's love is a different kind to the one Bubbles might feel and certainly different to the one Amanda and Evie have convinced themselves of.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 22 Jan 2018, 19:32 »

You can also have romantic love without a sexual component. Which might be Bubbles' state.

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« Reply #24 on: 22 Jan 2018, 20:56 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 22 Jan 2018, 21:43 »

Of course this is Faye who has a long record of not really understanding her own feelings.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 22 Jan 2018, 23:29 »

I'm beginning to see Evie's role in this strip. She's the author substitute mouthpiece to deliver exposition, specifically about how some elements of AI works in Jeph's universe. There are two obvious things that jump out to me:
  • "... can choose..." - That suggests that some synthetics have rigged themselves to experience certain responses without conscious choice or have developed that ability ("It's psychosomatic", as Roko put it);
  • "... the vast majority..." - So, yeah, there are some AIs that choose permanent pleasure and nirvana of sorts. I wonder if they're considered medical cases or defectives for recycling?
At least in Pintsize's case, whilst I can imagine the little pervert getting up to all sorts of things, being permanently high isn't one of them. He needs his wits about him if he is to give his best shot at weirding everyone else out and that sort of rules out over-use of such 'recreational DLLs'. May has been shown abusing similar software bugs/features but, again, she doesn't over-use from what I can see.

BTW, Evie's line in panel 4 suggests to me that she knows of Pintsize. Of course, she studies AI psychology, so it's unlikely that she wouldn't know of him. He's probably listed under "Abnormal AI Psychology - Case Study Zero"! :laugh:

However, at least for me, the biggest take-away from this strip is this: For a synthetic, sex is mostly in the mind. They don't necessarily need the specialist software but it's probably more common for them to do so.


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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 22 Jan 2018, 23:40 »

I hope this restaurant scene, with all its exposition, is laying the foundation for some movement in the Faye/Bubbles relationship, whatever that may be. Fayes cluelessness is understandable and realistic for the character, but in the overall story it starts to feel unnecessarily stretched out.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #28 on: 23 Jan 2018, 01:06 »

I hope this restaurant scene, with all its exposition, is laying the foundation for some movement in the Faye/Bubbles relationship, whatever that may be. Fayes cluelessness is understandable and realistic for the character, but in the overall story it starts to feel unnecessarily stretched out.

I couldn't agree more. Is JJ deliberately playing with our nerves?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 23 Jan 2018, 04:18 »

That's the main problem with exposition, in this medium. Either you have a wall of text, or you need to work it into the story, which messes with your pace. Or, the third option, set up an arc specifically to deliver your message, but that doesn't quite help when you need the context for a certain situation.

I do think that there is a certain kind of love from Faye for Bubbles, I just don't think its romantic.
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There's certainly love between Bubbles and Faye, but I'm also certain that Faye's love is a different kind to the one Bubbles might feel and certainly different to the one Amanda and Evie have convinced themselves of.

You might have a point there. This is one point where I like the scholastic differentiation: having the separate terms makes the discussion so much clearer.


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« Reply #30 on: 23 Jan 2018, 05:33 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #31 on: 23 Jan 2018, 08:43 »

Well, Jeph has now clearly set the groundwork for a human-AI relationship in the comic.

Now, will that be Faye and Bubbles? It's clearly what he's teasing, but who knows.

It's nice to finally get some concrete explanation on robot pleasure after 15 years of Pintsize.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 23 Jan 2018, 09:43 »


It's nice to finally get some concrete explanation on robot pleasure after 15 years of Pintsize.

Did you ever read the little perv's twitter? If so, I'm wondering how learning that he can do that in his head anytime he chooses elicits a 'Finally!' from you ...  :wink:

(I could have done without that knowledge)
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« Reply #33 on: 23 Jan 2018, 10:29 »

And this why Amanda’s girlfriend had to be a grad student specializing in AI studies to provide exposition.
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« Reply #34 on: 23 Jan 2018, 11:43 »

And this why Amanda’s girlfriend had to be a grad student specializing in AI studies to provide exposition.

After reading today's strip, I was also wondering how much of Evie's first 'lecture' was about "terminally obnoxious academics lecturing people about their own lives" and how much was simply .... exposition (i.e. Evie not acting as a character, but as a 'function')
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 23 Jan 2018, 17:29 »

I have to say, a lot of those poll options don’t feel like the start of a comic, they feel more like punchlines.
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« Reply #36 on: 23 Jan 2018, 17:39 »

Well... there were robots...
and lots of very loud, ah, banging... literally.

And possibly clanking from the sound of things.

(Yes, I'm embarrassed to admit that I know that slang).
I'm not sure ifI should be thanking Urban Dictionary or cursing it.

The answer usually seems to be "both".
'Thanks, I hate it.' or 'Fuck you, I love it.' is the bigger question.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #37 on: 23 Jan 2018, 20:45 »

New comic is up.

And I was almost expecting an anime collapse or something.

And as funny as the joke was, I feel like it might have a deeper view into Faye's mind regarding Bubbles. Maybe she is oblivious to something that other people see, or it might be that other people are seeing something that isn't there.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #38 on: 23 Jan 2018, 20:45 »

Now, Faye.  It isn't nice to puncture your sister's and her girlfriend's obnoxious well-intentioned but incorrect impressions of you like that.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #39 on: 23 Jan 2018, 20:47 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #40 on: 23 Jan 2018, 21:25 »

I do think that there is a certain kind of love from Faye for Bubbles, I just don't think its romantic.

I don't know how many people have ready CS Lewis' book "The Four Loves", but there's one he discusses called "Philia", the friend bond, when one sees another as close to them as a sibling.
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My rather bitter reading, after a couple of decades of exposure to fandom, is that most either don't know/believe that one exists, or dismiss or ignore it because they're just here for the fantasy/the pr0n.
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« Reply #41 on: 23 Jan 2018, 21:53 »

Snhnhnhnhn ... I mean ... Ohnoes! Jeph! What are you doingsnort ...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:13 »

Faye... *facepalm*

Bubbles doesn't want a boyfriend. She wants you.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #43 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:17 »

So how are we to interpret Faye thinking back to Bubbles calling her beautiful as she's about to fall asleep, smiling and blushing? That isn't really something you do with just a friend.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #44 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:24 »

And as funny as the joke was, I feel like it might have a deeper view into Faye's mind regarding Bubbles. Maybe she is oblivious to something that other people see, or it might be that other people are seeing something that isn't there.

Backing you up here. It‘s obvious that Bubbles has feelings for Faye. But vice versa? I haven‘t noticed comparable feelings by Faye yet. But let‘s wait and see, I suppose it‘s clear in wich direction Jeph is taking the story here.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #45 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:30 »

Classic setup, this; the protagonist goes to find their best friend a suitable SO but everyone they identify is either “unworthy” or makes them feel jealous for no obvious reason (only to them of course) until the eventual epiphany/kiss.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:35 »

So how are we to interpret Faye thinking back to Bubbles calling her beautiful as she's about to fall asleep, smiling and blushing? That isn't really something you do with just a friend.

That she's flattered by being thought of as attractive by a good friend?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 23 Jan 2018, 22:38 »

So, more stretching…
And at this point it seems almost strange to me that none of the other characters has dropped a hint or two (or ten) on poor oblivious Faye. It seems pretty obvious that the others, even relative strangers like Amanda and Evie, see – something – between Faye and Bubbles. And, even if they're just imagining things, wouldn't it be the right thing to politely point that out to Faye or Bubbles, rather than watching them stumble around each other in the dark?

But I think we’re getting there…
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #48 on: 23 Jan 2018, 23:03 »

Well, maybe tomorrow we'll see ... wait...

*runs off to check Patreon*

Ha. Well. Anyway. As you were.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 23 Jan 2018, 23:17 »

Always fascinating when an artist who actively dislikes this forum and a large portion of his fanbase for shipping has his own characters ship unironically.
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