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Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« on: 05 Feb 2018, 07:26 »

So the teaser trailer dropped during the super bowl.


I'm very excited!  :-D
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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #1 on: 05 Feb 2018, 07:47 »

And of course they put up a new one as soon as I post this.  :-D

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« Reply #2 on: 05 Feb 2018, 08:32 »

They really should have had that satellite or antenna break off at the end of that second trailer... :-D
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« Reply #3 on: 05 Feb 2018, 16:56 »

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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #4 on: 12 Feb 2018, 04:15 »

Ok, I am 100% down for this movie, but I hate them adding "A Star Wars Story" to every non-trilogy movie. Just call it Solo, damn it. (I had this same objection to when they did this to Rogue One, but it seems even more annoying now.
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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #5 on: 12 Feb 2018, 08:26 »

Ok, I am 100% down for this movie, but I hate them adding "A Star Wars Story" to every non-trilogy movie. Just call it Solo, damn it. (I had this same objection to when they did this to Rogue One, but it seems even more annoying now.

I figure, they gotta keep the franchise name alive after 9, so their setting their precedent from the off...
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« Reply #6 on: 12 Feb 2018, 08:39 »

Ok, I am 100% down for this movie, but I hate them adding "A Star Wars Story" to every non-trilogy movie. Just call it Solo, damn it. (I had this same objection to when they did this to Rogue One, but it seems even more annoying now.

They can't, there was already a Tamil-Malayalam film called Solo released last year, its a bilingual anthology film.

There's also a Canadian thriller from 2013.

And a Telugu language film in 2011.

Oh and an Australian documentary in 2008.

Can't forget the 2006 Australian film that was written and directed by Morgan O'Neill.

Then there was a 1996 science fiction action film.

Preceded 19 years early by a New Zealand film.

And finally a 1969 film that was directed by Jean-Pierre Mocky.

You can see where I'm going with this, right?
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« Reply #7 on: 12 Feb 2018, 15:39 »

I don't understand what's wrong with it, myself.

It's maybe a bit superfluous now, but when they make a Thrawn movie*, it won't be obvious to a great many people.

* No idea if they will, just chose it because I've just picked up the recent Thrawn novel.
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« Reply #8 on: 12 Feb 2018, 17:02 »

For people who aren't into Star Wars (I know, it seems strange to me too), then that sub title is important. It sets up these projects as part of the franchise. Every other Star Wars movie has had it in the title. Though people generally just use the sub title for convenience, it's always been Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back etc.
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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #9 on: 13 Feb 2018, 03:14 »

I really don't see why they couldn't just call it 'Star Wars - Solo'. Now they routinely put the episode numbers in the film titles, there is no risk of people mistaking them for main thread stories.
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« Reply #10 on: 13 Feb 2018, 03:25 »

Probably because the likes of Rogue One and Solo, while connected to the main story of the three trilogies aren't actually a part of that story, which is the Skywalker story.

Its like how Marvel has the New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Secret Avengers and so on, all the teams were connected to the main team, but not a part of the story.
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« Reply #11 on: 13 Feb 2018, 03:29 »

Probably because the likes of Rogue One and Solo, while connected to the main story of the three trilogies aren't actually a part of that story, which is the Skywalker story.

Its like how Marvel has the New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Secret Avengers and so on, all the teams were connected to the main team, but not a part of the story.

Tiny, tiny bit of pedantry...
Rogue One *is* directly connected to SW:ANH.
There are many characters from SW:ANH in Rogue One, it's a direct prequel...
(It even has a Skywalker in it... you could even say it has TWO... from a certain point of view... :) )
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« Reply #12 on: 13 Feb 2018, 11:30 »

But at the end of the day, the main focus of the three trilogies is on the Skywalker family.

The "A Star Wars Film" films are more like Hero Of Another Story.
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« Reply #13 on: 14 Feb 2018, 02:40 »

But at the end of the day, the main focus of the three trilogies is on the Skywalker family.

The "A Star Wars Film" films are more like Hero Of Another Story.

Oh, absolutely-without doubt!

Me? I'm looking forward to "Kenobi"... because, Lightsabers!

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« Reply #14 on: 14 Feb 2018, 02:57 »

Same here, though I'm trying to keep a lid on my expectations!
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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #15 on: 14 Feb 2018, 03:24 »

FWIW, I view Rogue One as the Wonder Woman of the Disney Wars era - The one definite and unequivocal good film in a series mostly plagued by questionable artistic, characterisation and plotting choices that make the films divisive amongst what should be a rock-solid and reliable fan-base (with Episodes VII and VIII being Man of Steel and Batman v Superman respectively).

I'm wondering if Solo will confirm or break this trend. I've got the feeling that it is going to be the equivalent of Suicide Squad - A quirky and artistically-unique crowd-pleaser but with an indefinable sense that it was somehow done wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: 14 Feb 2018, 03:27 »

I have no doubt there will be a group of people who will be upset it was done wrong. The only question is how big that group will be.

P.S. Rogue One is probably my favourite of the Disney era SW films, so we are not in complete disagreement.

Seeing as HISHE came up in another thread:

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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #17 on: 14 Feb 2018, 04:09 »

You can see where I'm going with this, right?
That each of those movies (besides the first one) saw that other films were named Solo and still named their film that? :parrot:

But yeah, I can see why they'd mention Star Wars in all of their marketing, but they could've still just had the actual title be Solo. It's not a huge deal, just my preference.

But at the end of the day, the main focus of the three trilogies is on the Skywalker family.

...is it, though? It's still pretty important through Kylo, Luke, and Leia, but I would argue that the third trilogy's main focus is elsewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: 14 Feb 2018, 05:07 »

Even if the heroes are Rey, Finn and Poe, they are still subject to the actions of Skywalkers and the effect of their actions on the galaxy.

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The focus of the new trilogy might be the new heroes, but Skywalkers are still influencing the galaxy.
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Re: Solo - The Star Wars Movie
« Reply #19 on: 14 Feb 2018, 05:14 »

Also Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is a freaking Skywalker in all but name
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« Reply #20 on: 14 Feb 2018, 07:30 »

The Force Awakens it's questionable and easy to miss just how important the Skywalker bloodline is because so much of the film is set up and introduction of the new characters. But it was there. Ben struggling with the Light and Dark in himself. Luke's withdrawal from galactic society and the chaos that was in the wake without a hero for the Resistance to stand behind. Kaz having Luke's old lightsaber and it waking the Force in Rey. While not overtly all about the Skywalker bloodline a lot of the foundation blocks were there. The Last Jedi was much more of a Skywalker gig. A good portion of the movie was wrapped up in their family discord and their relationship to the Force. To the point where a lot of people feel the parts of the movie that don't involve them feel shoe horned in and don't belong. ie: The whole sub plot about the movie-long chase scene and the 'find the slicer' plot with Finn, Rose and Poe.

Consider the history of the movies chronologically. We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation as part of his long and complicated bid to become Emperor. From the time Anakin begins training as a Jedi he becomes a disruptive influence on what balance there was between the Jedi and the Sith eventually leading to the destruction of the Jedi order and the birth of the Empire. Episodes 4-6 detail the conflict between Anakin and his children. None of them started the conflict, but they act as major force multipliers (no pun intended). Without the fall of Anakin the Jedi would not have been so thoroughly crushed. Without Leia and Luke the Rebellion would not have succeeded at destroying either Death Star or killing the Emperor. And now we have the new trilogy. Luke's uncertainty and moment of doubt is what drove Ben from the Jedi and embrace the Dark Side legacy of his grandfather. Kylo Ren may not have started the First Order, but the Skywalker blood and drama put him in the position where he leads it against his mother's Resistance. 

So yes, the core of the Tri-trilogy that has been core Star Wars has always been about the Skywalker family line and the Force. Therefore it make sense that all the side projects be marketed as films in the Star Wars franchise, but different. The tri-trilogy should probably be called the Skywalker Wars. But that wouldn't market as well. Even though Darth Vader was in Rogue One, he was more easter egg than participant. He never interacted with the main cast in the couple of scenes he was in, and was primarily there to link the narrative of the end of Rogue One to the beginning of A New Hope.
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« Reply #21 on: 14 Feb 2018, 07:44 »

I think the Star Wars saga will, in the end, be the rise and fall of the Skywalkers.

We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation

Wait, what?
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« Reply #22 on: 14 Feb 2018, 08:12 »

There's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, the opera scene, when Palpatine is talking about a Sith who could control life and death and who was murdered by his apprentice, Sidious. There's a long standing fan theory that Sidious continued his master's work and manipulated the midiclorians to create Anakin as part of his long term scheme to become Emperor.

There's another theory that Sidious killed Plagueis not as part of the tradition of the apprentice killing the master, but because Plagueis had already manipulated Anakin's conception and Sidious wanted to be the one in control.
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« Reply #23 on: 14 Feb 2018, 08:31 »

We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation
Wait, what?

Anakin being 'born off the Force' is canon, IIRC. He has no father. I think I recall Shmi Skywalker telling Qui-Gon as much? Either in the SW1 movie or the novelisation.

What isn't clear in canon is the how and they why of it, but there's sort of a 'semi-canon theory' about that:

There's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, the opera scene, when Palpatine is talking about a Sith who could control life and death and who was murdered by his apprentice, Sidious. There's a long standing fan theory that Sidious continued his master's work and manipulated the midiclorians to create Anakin as part of his long term scheme to become Emperor.

Methinks that's a bit more than a fan-theory: It's described in more detail in James Luceno's novel 'Darth Plagueis' (Palpatine's master & predecessor). However, while the novel (and the retcons) is pretty good, like most of Luceno's stuff, it was never considered canon, even before Disney took over.

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As the novel comes to a close during the events of The Phantom Menace, Sidious and Plagueis learn that a young boy named Anakin Skywalker, a former slave found by Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine, had been born of the Force. They discern that this is most likely due to Plagueis's experiment of creating life through the Force, which he had commenced about a decade earlier.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis_(novel)

Note though that there's no indication in the novel of either Plagueis or Palpatine creating Anakin deliberately - if I remember the novel correctly, Plagueis and Palpatine undertake several (extremely 'high-powered') Force-experiments (either as part of Plagueis' quest for eternal life and/or their 'un-balancing' the Force in preparation for the culmination of the Millennia-old plan of Sith takeover), and once they learn of Anakin's birth, Palpatine suspects that the Force created Anakin as a reaction to those experiments.

IIRC, he's actually more than a little bit unsettled by that, since it would indicate that the Force can act on its own, and very specifically so, without control by a Force-user, which would obviously be bad news for a Force-user striving for complete control and domination of both the Force and the Galaxy. Remember how much emphasis Palpatine placed on Force-vision and Force domination to further his aims - it'd be like a chess player discovering that the rooks are sentient.

I think that's a theme that Luceno comes back to several times in other novels ('The Unified Force') as a major philosophical difference within the Jedi and Sith orders: Sith see the Force as something to be used, Jedi see the Force as something to be guided by, but neither is entirely sure whether the Force might not an entity with its own goals, that can act independently of either.

All of that non-exactly-canon: Luceno is probably the best retconer amongst the EU-authors ('The Unified Force', 'Millenium Falcon'), but I guess the powers that be were wary of tying that bit of lore down in to much detail.
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« Reply #24 on: 14 Feb 2018, 09:47 »

Ah okay, I knew about the "force is the father" bit from 1 and that scene with Palpatine at the opera in 3 but didn't think the link between them was proven.  Looks like it is just fan cannon.  I really hope it doesn't become cannon as I just hate that everyone/thing in star was has to be connected in some way.  It makes the universe seem small.
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« Reply #25 on: 14 Feb 2018, 10:22 »

Looks like it is just fan cannon.

Uhmmmmhwell, as I said above, I wouldn't consider it just-another-type-of-fancanon - Luceno isn't a nobody amongst the EU-authors. It is, however, not officially considered canon, and wasn't considered canon even before the Disney-sale.

Personally, I could imagine that maybe the people-who-decide-that-sort-of-shit (Sue Rostoni?) might have liked (the idea of) the novel a little too much (I can highly recommend it, just as anything authored by Luceno) - i.e. they saw a potential for a standalone story about "How Anakin came to be", but knowing Lucas and the way he operates, they knew he would never stick to an already developed detailed script.

Or something, yaknow?
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