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which of the following is the most advanced?

Momo's chassis covering is dishwasher safe
Pintsize's hand and feet use suction to grip things
Bubbles has triple reinforced artificial muscles
May can fall apart at a moments notice.... wait that's a defect
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Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« on: 24 Feb 2018, 15:46 »

I'm kind of surprised this isn't a topic yet. Or if not just Bubbles' chassis, the AI chassis in general.

Bubbles has synthetic skin, muscle, and hair. Her skin covers the joints in her hands, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles and feet, but it doesn't cover the seam at the base of her neck. The neck seam appears to serve as cooling ventilation. She's got individual fingers, but only 3 toe analogs that don't have seperate extentions in the skin. Bubbles has an olfactory system tuned to detect chemical and biological weapons. A

Whether or not Bubbles has a hip or shoulder seams is another question. The leotard she wears prevents us from answering a few questions directly, but there are things we can infer. We can see what appears to be hip joint seams in #3475. Her shoulders look to be different, though. Looking the muscle grouping of her shoulders, I'd actually be willing to wager that she doesn't have a seam in her shoulder like many of the other AIs we see. Which would make h the only AI we've seen who synthetic muscles extend all the way through her shoulder joints. Which means if one of her arms gets severely damaged, she has to have surgery and can't merely swap it out. We can also infer that she doesn't have a waist seam either thanks to her muscles.

So, after all of that, if she ever takes of the leotard, would she want to wear a sports bra to keep things in place when doing extensive physical work?
That question popped into my head when I was waking up today for whatever reason.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #1 on: 24 Feb 2018, 15:59 »

In my defense, real world governments have wasted money on far stupider things than giving a robot super soldier jiggle physics.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #2 on: 24 Feb 2018, 17:49 »

In my defense, real world governments have wasted money on far stupider things than giving a robot super soldier breasts.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #3 on: 24 Feb 2018, 19:05 »

Yay points!

Though, isn't Congress filled with too many money-wasting assholes already?

"We're spending twice as much on our military as the next 9 highest countries. Isn't that a bit much?"
"It's not enough! The terrorists might get us so we have to spend even more!"

EDIT: forgot to type 'many' the first time.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #4 on: 25 Feb 2018, 00:02 »

I think that the design of the military chassis reveals something about the objectives for the combat AI program. The Pentagon didn't want a walking tank (for that they would have designed her chassis as a Veritech or a Gundam). They wanted a super-soldier who looked like a soldier. They wanted a being with whom human soldiers would feel instinctively able to bond as a fellow being rather than a bit of talking technology. This required that military infantry chassis be strongly anthropomimetic, right down to some autonomic reactions, so that human soldiers would instinctively feel at ease with her.

With regard to Momo, I suspect that her new chassis was designed for receptionist/secretarial AIs. So, once again, extreme anthropomimetics are required as such AIs would be required to present as human in order to put visitors at ease.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #5 on: 25 Feb 2018, 09:18 »

Good points.

I wonder if Bubbles' chassis was specifically customized to present as female since that's how she identified, or if the military had both male and female presenting chassis models prepared beforehand for the AIs that would eventually volunteer.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #6 on: 25 Feb 2018, 11:54 »

I personally suspect that, given she is from the pre-AI rights laws generation, her CPU/core is integral to her chassis and has been the only home she has known since inception. Thus she was socialised as female and never really thought about it otherwise, like most people.
Why her chassis was female to begin with? Either a coin-flip, or that issue noted in various fields but most especially advertising; both men and women find it easier to trust a(nother) woman generally.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #7 on: 25 Feb 2018, 18:19 »

I personally suspect that, given she is from the pre-AI rights laws generation, her CPU/core is integral to her chassis and has been the only home she has known since inception. Thus she was socialised as female and never really thought about it otherwise, like most people.
Why her chassis was female to begin with? Either a coin-flip, or that issue noted in various fields but most especially advertising; both men and women find it easier to trust a(nother) woman generally.

If you look at the crime stats for the 'Western Word', most violent crimes are disproportionately commited by males.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #8 on: 23 Mar 2018, 23:13 »

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Momo’s chassis itself is not listed as dishwasher safe. Only the covering is. She can take a shower and go “swimming” (but due to her lack of buoyancy, this appears to mean “walking on the bottom under the water”), but that hardly indicates that her chassis is designed for the high temperature and water pressure inside a dishwasher.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #9 on: 24 Mar 2018, 09:58 »

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Momo’s chassis itself is not listed as dishwasher safe. Only the covering is. She can take a shower and go “swimming” (but due to her lack of buoyancy, this appears to mean “walking on the bottom under the water”), but that hardly indicates that her chassis is designed for the high temperature and water pressure inside a dishwasher.

I reread the comic, and you're quite right. Though the cocovering is airtight/watertight when properly placed on her chassis.

I don't remember the comic where she goes "swimming".
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #10 on: 24 Mar 2018, 10:15 »

I think it is this one http://questionablecontent.soup.io/since/405131571 and try and stop at just the first one ... mwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa
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« Reply #11 on: 24 Mar 2018, 10:18 »

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #12 on: 14 Apr 2018, 21:10 »

Oh, come on.  As far as we know Momo has still never been swimming. 

'Cause it looks like she's heavier than the volume of water she displaces.  She was walking.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #13 on: 14 Apr 2018, 22:07 »

She was walking.
Yes. That is exactly what I said.


Correct me if I’m wrong, but Momo’s chassis itself is not listed as dishwasher safe. Only the covering is. She can take a shower and go “swimming” (but due to her lack of buoyancy, this appears to mean “walking on the bottom under the water”), but that hardly indicates that her chassis is designed for the high temperature and water pressure inside a dishwasher.
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« Reply #14 on: 15 Apr 2018, 11:22 »

Yup.  You're right.  That'll teach me to read to the end before commenting, I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: 15 Apr 2018, 15:44 »

Yup.  You're right.  That'll teach me to read to the end before commenting, I guess.
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« Reply #16 on: 15 Apr 2018, 20:58 »

If you look at the crime stats for the 'Western Word', most violent crimes are disproportionately commited by males.

Indeed.  Noah Webster absolutely savaged the freedom-from-spelling-conventions of pre-colonial English :roll: and since then all authors have labored in chains, allowed to know only a single spelling for each word, and the words themselves, robbed of their freedom, must now find other ways to express the punster's intent.   And he was followed by the terrorist Melvil Dewey, who became a millionaire by inventing hanging file folders, then invented a categorization system that bound libraries to a single system for decades, and then spent his entire life trying to repeat Webster's crimes against spelling.

Against the Western Word, No crime of similar violence has yet been perpetrated by one of the female persuasion. 

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #17 on: 16 Apr 2018, 04:35 »


Has Bubbles lost weight...

...in the face?

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #18 on: 16 Apr 2018, 04:41 »

Nah, it's just she doesn't have her hair around her face anymore so it seems narrower.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #19 on: 16 Apr 2018, 04:51 »

Nah, it's just she doesn't have her hair around her face anymore so it seems narrower.

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"Wh... Why, Miss Bubbles... You're... you're BEAUITIFUL!"
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #20 on: 16 Apr 2018, 05:32 »

As to the question of which one has the most advanced chassis, I'm torn between Pintsize and Bubbles, but finally decided to go with Bubbles. Both have a military chassis, that was developed, if I remember correctly, at the same time. However, it seems they went with Bubbles' "Valkyrie"-model, as a standard.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #21 on: 16 Apr 2018, 05:51 »

As to the question of which one has the most advanced chassis, I'm torn between Pintsize and Bubbles, but finally decided to go with Bubbles. Both have a military chassis, that was developed, if I remember correctly, at the same time. However, it seems they went with Bubbles' "Valkyrie"-model, as a standard.
Oh, I quite agree. Bubbles’ chassis is much more humanoid, and must needs therefore be more complex than Pintsize’s. In fact, I think that May, Momo, Winslow, and even Roko’s chassis — while not military grade — are more advanced than Pintsize. Melon seems to have an older model with its detachable butt, but even that, being very humanoid, seems more complex than Pintsize. The reason Bubbles gave for why they chose to deploy her chassis type and not Pintsize’s is that the military were afraid people would find damaged or discarded units of Pintsize’s type and mistake them for toys, like a child might mistake a landmine or a grenade for a toy, and end up getting seriously injured. They also calculated that human soldiers would be able to more easily relate to and bond with a humanoid AI.
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« Reply #22 on: 16 Apr 2018, 06:31 »

I seemed to remember something like that, but I didn't seem to find the comic.

Anyway, I'm not sure that being humanoid is necessarily more complex. To me, it's more that they are optimised for other purposes. The analogy between Pintsize's chassis and a landmine may extend further than we like to contemplate. There's also the array of sensors, and the spectrometer, which may be related to current bomb sniffing/disarming robots. Not to mention that despite the form of his appendages, he seems very handy in his own right.

On the hand, having decided to go with Bubbles' chassis, they've likely just stopped development on the other type. So, regardless of function, she will have the more advanced chassis - also because there's no reason to believe most functionalities haven't been carried over.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #23 on: 16 Apr 2018, 06:56 »

My reasoning is this: While Pintsize is clearly more versatile than he looks, a fully humanoid chassis must necessarily have more motor functions, joints, etc., simply to be able to properly articulate the limbs and appendages, not to mention the more complex facial expressions. Pintsize has demonstrated the ability to consume (and much to Faye and Marten’s chagrin, pass through) foods, but even Melon has been shown eating. And since Bubbles and Pintsize are both designed for military service, it would be reasonable to expect them to both have a similar set of sensors, including the chemical spectrometer. Bubbles said she does not consume beverages for refreshment, but she didn’t say she can’t consume them for chemical analysis. Pintsize has not, that I can recall, discussed any other sensors he may have, but we know Bubbles has infrared vision, as well as a full suite of other sensors. And I almost forgot, Bubbles has the advanced hair follicles that can actually “grow” under the proper conditions.
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« Reply #24 on: 16 Apr 2018, 16:51 »

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #25 on: 28 May 2018, 15:42 »


30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

"Wh... Why, Miss Bubbles... You're... you're BEAUITIFUL!"
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She whips her hair back and forth, she whips her hair back and forth (just whip it)

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #26 on: 28 May 2018, 18:41 »

...Both have a military chassis, that was developed, if I remember correctly, at the same time. However, it seems they went with Bubbles' "Valkyrie"-model, as a standard.

You want a more humanoid chassis so that an AI can step in and use equipment designed for organic use, whether it's driving a tank, a HUM-V.  using a mounted machine gun or ... well, anything, really.  Although there might be tight squeezes in some spaces, I'm sure her joint flexibility helps a bit with that. 

After all, the military's all about interchangeability on the field. 
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #27 on: 28 May 2018, 18:52 »


30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

"Wh... Why, Miss Bubbles... You're... you're BEAUITIFUL!"
(And a half-million shippers dreams are answered.)

She whips her hair back and forth, she whips her hair back and forth (just whip it)

 :laugh:

When Bubbles whips her hair back and forth, she creates a four-foot diameter zone of death. 

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"Decapitation by artificial hair folicles."
"Dammit, when will people learn?"
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #28 on: 28 May 2018, 23:44 »

Nah, it's just she doesn't have her hair around her face anymore so it seems narrower.

30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

To the accompaniment of the saxophone solo from George Michael's 'Careless Whisper'.

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« Reply #29 on: 29 May 2018, 00:52 »

Nah, it's just she doesn't have her hair around her face anymore so it seems narrower.

30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

To the accompaniment of the saxophone solo from George Michael's 'Careless Whisper'.

Come on, you were all thinking it too!
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« Reply #30 on: 29 May 2018, 02:53 »


30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

"Wh... Why, Miss Bubbles... You're... you're BEAUITIFUL!"
(And a half-million shippers dreams are answered.)

She whips her hair back and forth, she whips her hair back and forth (just whip it)

 :laugh:

When Bubbles whips her hair back and forth, she creates a four-foot diameter zone of death. 

"Cause of death, doctor?"
"Decapitation by artificial hair folicles."
"Dammit, when will people learn?"

As the old poem says; "if you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs, park your helicopter somewhere quieter."
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« Reply #31 on: 29 May 2018, 06:05 »

Poor Bubbles. Can’t even enjoy the simple pleasure of whipping her hair back and forth without causing destruction!
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« Reply #32 on: 29 May 2018, 06:18 »

...Both have a military chassis, that was developed, if I remember correctly, at the same time. However, it seems they went with Bubbles' "Valkyrie"-model, as a standard.

You want a more humanoid chassis so that an AI can step in and use equipment designed for organic use, whether it's driving a tank, a HUM-V.  using a mounted machine gun or ... well, anything, really.  Although there might be tight squeezes in some spaces, I'm sure her joint flexibility helps a bit with that. 

After all, the military's all about interchangeability on the field.

Which begs the question: Why did they make Bubbles' chassis so big then? It wasn't necessity since other robot bodies can be much smaller and still mimic human mobility. My theory being, since Bubbles was in an experimental unit combining human and AI soldier that they designed her to be the 'heavy'. Specifically made to be a larger target because they could armor her up better, and when damaged repair her faster. She would alternately operate as the lead, especially in urban environments. She can take anything short of an anti-armor round when in her armor and can open a locked door or go through a wall without a battering ram or breaching charge. Alternately in a more open environment her greater strength means she could lug around more gear and a larger weapon.

The greater question to me is why was she allowed to keep her military issue body and armor when she was discharged. Perhaps it was an oversight, kind of like with Pintsize's built in laser. Maybe it was allowed at the insistence of one or more of the psychiatrists who was seeing her for her PTSD. A recommendation that forcing her into a smaller, commercial chassis would compound her feelings of vulnerability and loss, so they at least temporarily recommended she be allowed to keep her military issue chassis and armor. And then she slipped from the radar and was forgotten like so many veterans. Or the least likely to my thinking, since the experiment was being disbanded they just couldn't afford or be bothered to switch Bubbles to a civilian chassis when they discharged her.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #33 on: 29 May 2018, 07:44 »

There are plenty of extremely strong chassis running around - DROID 06 is my favorite - but there is the droid that is trying to hunt down Pintsize in an early strip. It, or a similar one, appear in the background sometimes in street scenes. Bubbles kept her sensors and strength, but probably not her beam weapons.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #34 on: 29 May 2018, 07:55 »

Bubbles kept her sensors and strength, but probably not her beam weapons.

My guess is that Bubbles, as an infantry android, had no in-built weapons at all and was intended to use standard military infantry weapons and other equipment. The reason for this is purely logistical - The more different pieces of equipment you have in any given unit, the more complex the logistical chain it needs to support it in the field.

FWIW, I'm waiting for someone to post a picture of Bubbles carrying a AER-9 laser rifle and an M72 gauss sniper rifle (both from the Fallout franchise) slung over her back. Possibly from a US Army recruitment poster aimed at AIs.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #35 on: 29 May 2018, 10:20 »

It appears the Bubbles project was highly classified.  When she received her medical(?) discharge the paperwork forwarded to the Department of Veterans' Affairs lacked considerable information.  From what they could see, she did not qualify for a different chassis because her current one met all the specifications, but everything about how far it exceeded those specs had been not just redacted but completely edited out.  To the DoD people who released it and the VA folks who issued it to her, it was just more surplus.

As for Pintsize, he's a first generation Anthro PC, a sentient personal computer with some locomotive abilities (and, formerly, a laser weapon).  Marten was an early adopter of the technology.  The socio-legal status of AIs changed substantially after he came off the assembly line.  Indeed, he may be of the last generation of AI chassis to be assembled as a consumer electronics device.  Obtaining an Anthro PC was more like purchasing a personal computer in those days and the process has acquired far more legal obligations.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #36 on: 29 May 2018, 10:36 »

That seems like kind of a mean question. Why should Bubbles not be allowed to have her body?
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #37 on: 29 May 2018, 10:41 »

I don't know if Marten was an early adopter. When he got Pintsize there was already Gordon and somewhat human shaped AI's.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #38 on: 29 May 2018, 10:46 »

That seems like kind of a mean question. Why should Bubbles not be allowed to have her body?

Because her body is very likely property of the US Department of Defense and may contain proprietary or classified technology not approved for civilian use.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #39 on: 29 May 2018, 10:47 »

That seems like kind of a mean question. Why should Bubbles not be allowed to have her body?
Technically her body was government property when Pintsize got military grade equipment the government came and seized it.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #40 on: 29 May 2018, 10:54 »

That seems like kind of a mean question. Why should Bubbles not be allowed to have her body?

Because her body is very likely property of the US Department of Defense and may contain proprietary or classified technology not approved for civilian use.

I don’t think it does...?
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #41 on: 29 May 2018, 10:59 »

I don’t think it does...?
We didn't think Pintsize had a laser weapon in his chest either.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #42 on: 29 May 2018, 11:21 »

Remember to exercise caution when applying things about AIs we saw in the first few hundreds of the comic to their current situation.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #43 on: 29 May 2018, 11:30 »

Going purely on direct observation of Bubbles, she has shown to be superior in strength and skill to similar supposedly civilian chassis. Her muscles are advanced myomers with greater flexibility to comparable products that are to be installed into Punchbot. Furthermore do we know whether or not the singularity had happened by the time she was released? If not, at the time in the eyes of the military she was property regardless of her intelligence.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #44 on: 29 May 2018, 11:52 »

I mean we saw her with Faye. It’s just her body. She doesn’t have any lasers or anything. I think her chassis was just meant to help her bond with others and she doesn’t have any weapons in her body any more than her human fellow soldiers did.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #45 on: 29 May 2018, 17:59 »

Going purely on direct observation of Bubbles, she has shown to be superior in strength and skill to similar supposedly civilian chassis. Her muscles are advanced myomers with greater flexibility to comparable products that are to be installed into Punchbot. Furthermore do we know whether or not the singularity had happened by the time she was released? If not, at the time in the eyes of the military she was property regardless of her intelligence.

Other than being very strong. Okay, fine, maybe that makes her entire body a "weapon." So what? Bleh.

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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #46 on: 29 May 2018, 19:59 »

That seems like kind of a mean question. Why should Bubbles not be allowed to have her body?
Technically her body was government property when Pintsize got military grade equipment the government came and seized it.
Attempted to seize it. They seemed particularly concerned with the fact that Pintsize had a functioning military-grade weapon (the laser) in his chassis. Once that was removed and returned to the government agent, Pintsize was allowed to keep the rest of the chassis. So if Bubbles had any built-in weaponry, they would have removed it when she was discharged.


Bubbles made it sound like when the Military AI project was abandoned, the government basically disavowed any knowledge of her. Sort of like the line they always give to covert-ops agents in the movies... “if you are captured or exposed, we will deny any knowledge of, or complicity with, your actions.” Destroy-bot 9000 (sorry, I’m terrible at remembering names unless I use them a lot) is in a similar situation, but without the PTSD. Since they pulled the plug on his program, he just sits in his hangar all day surfing the net.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #47 on: 29 May 2018, 20:55 »


30 seconds from now.
Bubbles undoes her ponytail and whips her hair around...

"Wh... Why, Miss Bubbles... You're... you're BEAUITIFUL!"
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She whips her hair back and forth, she whips her hair back and forth (just whip it)

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When Bubbles whips her hair back and forth, she creates a four-foot diameter zone of death. 

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It's pretty efficient as a weapon. Just ask Shantae or Colonel Scott O'Connor.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #48 on: 29 May 2018, 23:05 »

You can keep your uniform when you discharge but uniforms can't punch holes in brick walls.

On the other hand Jeph did say once that AIs are the legal owners of the bodies they inhabit. That can't always be right. The nuclear sub who's now working at the Idoru store must have been an exception.
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Re: Just how complex is Bubbles' chassis?
« Reply #49 on: 29 May 2018, 23:25 »

I've assumed that some AI chassis have a degree of anatomical correctness

Didn't Momo once say she could shoot "Eels out of her.....orifice?"
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