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What else is Sam no longer allowed to do?

Bring in snakes found on her way to school.
- 10 (27%)
Go on "Experiential Days" more than three times a week.
- 11 (29.7%)
Continue to have her "side job" of AI Tattoos.
- 2 (5.4%)
Wear her Skullmaster Master of Skulls mask (Bubbles has it now)
- 4 (10.8%)
Eat Spathe Ham with Waffles.
- 4 (10.8%)
Think about Purple Monkey Elephant Dishwashers.
- 5 (13.5%)
Something else (please specify).
- 1 (2.7%)

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WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« on: 12 Aug 2018, 16:00 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 12 Aug 2018, 18:19 »

New comic - early! 

And a good one. 




Despite Jim's disappearing glasses. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 12 Aug 2018, 19:03 »

Yeah, I saw that on Patreon. I don't think Jeph did.

And is it just me, or does it seem Veronica has aged quite a bit? Maybe being in the same house as Sam has done it?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 12 Aug 2018, 19:28 »

Maybe it's her glasses and lack of makeup?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 12 Aug 2018, 20:29 »

I'd enjoy seeing Bubbles and Veronica interact.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 12 Aug 2018, 21:00 »

No power-tools? 

Worst punishment ever.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 12 Aug 2018, 21:54 »

This could get tricky for Sam.
Visiting the shop means being surrounded by powered machinery. Shiny… blinking… exotic… machinery…
Tempting, to say the least.

But, I think we have seen some growth in her character last week, so I'm optimistic.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 12 Aug 2018, 21:55 »

So I gather that Sam would usually argue with punishments laid down by her dad. Good thing Jim has Veronica to explain to him what's happening  :roll:

Also I like the middle ground of allowing her back to the shop to visit or do her sprays, but not allowing power tools. And I think it's likely that down the track that restriction will be lifted... (as Sam shows a bit more sense/after she has some formal safety instruction/after Bubbles reassures Jim that she'll watch Sam closely at all times/something like that).

Edit: Maybe Sam's next birthday* present will be after school metalworking class or equivalent. Like how Jim was initially horrified that Faye let Sam play with swords but much later in the strip it turns out he's letting her do sword fighting lessons - a bit of a  "she's going to do it anyway, so let's put her in formal instruction where safety precautions are assured (well, probably)".

Faye may be good at metalwork but she's not an experienced trainer used to having to anticipate all the foolish things students might do. Bubbles would probably be good at it and I could see Jim coming round to that, but I also wouldn't be surprised if his peace of mind benefits more from putting Sam in an actual class. (Also I'm no expert, but insurance for training people is a thing. That Union Robotics definitely wouldn't have.)

* I think her next birthday is probably her 16th. I know we didn't see her turn 15 but she's not in the strip that frequently and I feel like it's been long enough. (A super dedicated person could probably count how many winters the strip has had since we found out Sam was 14 but unfortunately I'm not up to that).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:12 »

Fair enough punishment.

She can still do sprays, but not handle power tools which didn’t seem to interest her until she saw Bubbles handle a concrete saw so it’s not like he’s destroying a lifelong dream of hers.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:18 »

Yeah, I saw that on Patreon. I don't think Jeph did.

And is it just me, or does it seem Veronica has aged quite a bit? Maybe being in the same house as Sam has done it?

It's the grey hair streaks, her face looks the same but she might have stopped dying it since she started living the domestic life
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:21 »

I hope Marten doesn't get jealous that his mother is showing Sam more "normal" parental treatment than he has gotten...Jim and she are certainly growing as parents since they started dating
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:25 »

The thing  that really strikes me about today's strip is how broken up Sam is about not being able to use power tools any more. I mean, okay, she was enjoying playing with them but to that degree? I'm wondering just how infrequent it is that Jim draws these red lines.

You also learn a lot about Sam by the fact that Jim finds her being quiet and introspective seriously abnormal!

That aside... I honestly feel that Jeph had problems with this strip. It feels a little forced somehow, as if he had the idea for the story but couldn't quite make the dialogue flow smoothly.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:34 »

The "no power tools" edict will last a couple weeks.  13 is plenty old to learn to use a Dremel - some of us were wielding soldering irons at 11 - and Sam is probably comingg up on 15 fast.  (Of course this was back when A. C . Gilbert chemistry sets actually had jars of chemical with test tubes and alcohol lamps too boot.  Funny, middle schools STILL acquire craters in their sidewalks in spite of such things vanishing from the market sometime in the late '60s.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:47 »

Veronica might have been a little... laissez faire... but Marten turned out pretty great. Good parent teamup.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:49 »

Grin, Jim is a struggling a bit to keep up with Sam growing up. Time to bring out the dad-jokes as a counter measure!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 12 Aug 2018, 23:53 »

Grin, Jim is a struggling a bit to keep up with Sam growing up. Time to bring out the dad-jokes as a counter measure!

I think it might be Veronica who brings out the dad jokes.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 13 Aug 2018, 00:38 »

And is it just me, or does it seem Veronica has aged quite a bit? Maybe being in the same house as Sam has done it?

I would imagine living with Sam would age anyone.

But it could be we're seeing Veronica at home, taking a break with no makeup.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 13 Aug 2018, 01:29 »

Veronica is in her mid- to late-50s and she probably doen't feel the need to do her old 'sex vixen' look when Jim likes pretty much everything about her without artifice.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #18 on: 13 Aug 2018, 01:39 »

The bit where Jim talks to Bubbles and Faye will be interesting. Mind you, I think Faye will take responsibility too, which will prevent really harsh lectures...

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #19 on: 13 Aug 2018, 01:57 »

FWIW, thinking back, I don't think that Jim has ever liked Faye. Nor has he ever liked Sam associating with her.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 13 Aug 2018, 05:37 »

To be fair, I think Jim has only ever met Faye a couple of times, and even then he was willing to pay more than what he normally paid babysitters after Faye revealed she taught Sam how to make an Old Fashioned.

But I do imagine that a lot of what Jim knows about Faye is second- or even third-hand information.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 13 Aug 2018, 05:43 »

I was molding tin on my own at her age...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 13 Aug 2018, 06:21 »

I learned a healthy respect for power tools from my dad.  At 10 I was working his 1936 Craftsman lathe, turning out spindles for a coatrack he was restoring, and did a few candlesticks as gifts and the like. 

Woodshop in junior high - 13 years old - made a lamp in the shape of a waterpump (you pushed the pump lever to pull the chain to switch the lamp on and off). 

So I also know how to wire a lamp, and decided to fix an old one with a bad socket.  There I was, with a lamp cord.  Stripped a few inches off the end, and thought, "Well, the wire in the bulb gives off light, I wonder..."

Plugged it in and touched the wire ends together. 



When I could see again, there were no wire ends, and a 3" long scorch mark on the hardwood floor. 



Sometimes, one only learns by doing.  Despite my understanding of danger, power tools and how electricity works, curiosity got the better of me.  It's the age, and I took one more thing out of my bag of luck, and put it into my bag of experience.  I've had a few minor jolts since then working around live wires, but I have a much healthier respect for them. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 13 Aug 2018, 08:12 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude. Hope that isn't a sign of rockier troubles...

I took tech ed in highschool but was afraid of the band saw and other tools so I avoided projects where those were used.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #24 on: 13 Aug 2018, 08:35 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude.

Rude outside the family perhaps, but not uncommon banter within one I would have thought.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 13 Aug 2018, 09:41 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude. Hope that isn't a sign of rockier troubles...

I think its just banter between two people in a relationship. I mean, of all the things Veronica could have called him, twit barely even rates as that much of an insult.

But really, I think its just Veronica realising that Jim is maybe overreacting a little bit. That and he's missed an instance of maturity from his own daughter and chalked it up to her being in shock.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 13 Aug 2018, 09:52 »

It is the duty of a person’s significant other to call them on their bullshit. Veronica is merely fulfilling that duty.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 13 Aug 2018, 09:55 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude. Hope that isn't a sign of rockier troubles...sed.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #28 on: 13 Aug 2018, 10:41 »

It seems like only in this comment do the smallest actions evoke the strongest of consequences lol

Faye looks away from Sam for 2 seconds? "JIm will sue her and she'll lose her license and go to jail!!"

Marten's Mom calls  Jim a twit?" SIGN OF THE RELATIONSHIP ENDIIING

Erryone take a deep breath and relaxxxxxx

Also -insert comment about Jims missing glasses-
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 13 Aug 2018, 11:21 »

Clearly her calling him a twit was strong enough to SCORN his glasses off.
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« Reply #30 on: 13 Aug 2018, 11:29 »

It seems like only in this comment do the smallest actions evoke the strongest of consequences lol

Faye looks away from Sam for 2 seconds? "JIm will sue her and she'll lose her license and go to jail!!"

Marten's Mom calls  Jim a twit?" SIGN OF THE RELATIONSHIP ENDIIING

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #31 on: 13 Aug 2018, 11:30 »

Jim's specs aren't riveted on and could very easily be in his hand.  It's kinda nice to get the damn things off the bridge of your nose sometimes, 'specially when you're stressed and needed to wipe your forehead.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 13 Aug 2018, 11:56 »

If that's Veronica, why are her eyes brown? They're blue everywhere else I can find an image of her.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #33 on: 13 Aug 2018, 12:29 »

Because Jeph sometimes forgets his own color palette...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #34 on: 13 Aug 2018, 13:02 »

It seems like only in this comment do the smallest actions evoke the strongest of consequences lol

Faye looks away from Sam for 2 seconds? "JIm will sue her and she'll lose her license and go to jail!!"

Marten's Mom calls  Jim a twit?" SIGN OF THE RELATIONSHIP ENDIIING

Erryone take a deep breath and relaxxxxxx

Also -insert comment about Jims missing glasses-
Well I don't really expect Jim to sue Faye, and I'd be pretty pissed if he ruined her, but she did severely drop the ball and doesn't really have much room for anything except contrition. Sam was incredibly dumb to do that, but she's still a kid, so the responsibility is with the supervisor to ensure safety.

As a bit of context, at work, I usually am assigned run the cardboard baler. Officially, I'm just a Team Peon - er, Member - like everyone else on the bottom tier, so I have no "responsibility", but that machine can only be legally interacted with by people 18 and over and I ask anyone I see who looks under 30's before they put anything in it. It'd be pretty hard to hurt yourself with it by accident, but still - I'm there, so I need to make sure protocols are heeded.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 13 Aug 2018, 13:15 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude. Hope that isn't a sign of rockier troubles...

I think its just banter between two people in a relationship. I mean, of all the things Veronica could have called him, twit barely even rates as that much of an insult.
It's not so much the level of insult, but that there's any insult at all...

Iunno, the situation doesn't seem all that jocular to me? Guess I'll defer though
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #36 on: 13 Aug 2018, 13:41 »

Can't believe she just straight-up calls him a twit O_o That's awfully rude. Hope that isn't a sign of rockier troubles...

I think its just banter between two people in a relationship. I mean, of all the things Veronica could have called him, twit barely even rates as that much of an insult.
It's not so much the level of insult, but that there's any insult at all...

Iunno, the situation doesn't seem all that jocular to me? Guess I'll defer though

Oh, an insult is appropriate (Jim is being a bit of a spaz psychoanalyzing his kid's behavior there instead of recognizing she just had a maturity spurt), but how it's the conveyed with the "tone"/facial expression is a little uncomfortable. The glowering is a little much. When I see stuff like this I'm half expecting for the woman to smack the man on the head with a frying pan like Wilma Flintstone often did to resolve conflict with Fred. I guess the Flintstones have nostalgic value (especially for those of us who grew up with them), but I never found them that funny even when I was a kid.

But insults in a relationship can be awesome. My spouse and I frequently exchange name-calling banter over all kinds of things—from how money is spent to parenting, but we are usually smile (and sometimes hug) when we say it. "Dork" or "dweeb" are fave  pet names. There's also the occasional "Relax—don't be such a heliparent" reminder that sometimes gets tossed out if one of us is being over-the-top protective. It's healthy to check each other and even use names, but it's got to be done playfully, or it just leads to disrespect and resentments (let alone verbal abuse) and the point gets lost. I know some couples operate like that, but it's not my bag.

Of course there could be the possibility she's simply in Dominatrix mode and this all could be be pre-consented foreplay.  :)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #37 on: 13 Aug 2018, 14:11 »

Of course there could be the possibility she's simply in Dominatrix mode and this all could be be pre-consented foreplay.  :)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #38 on: 13 Aug 2018, 15:03 »

It seems like only in this comment do the smallest actions evoke the strongest of consequences lol

Faye looks away from Sam for 2 seconds? "JIm will sue her and she'll lose her license and go to jail!!"

Marten's Mom calls  Jim a twit?" SIGN OF THE RELATIONSHIP ENDIIING

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #39 on: 13 Aug 2018, 15:16 »

I would have taken his comment for (overexplained) banter as well except for Veronica's expression, which seems to be taking his comment very seriously, and the comment below the strip, which very carefully explains the whole thing to the readers in case they missed it.

It all seems a little forced, as BenRG said. I think Jeph was just aiming for funny in the last panel, but I can't disagree with anyone with a different reading.

Marten's Mom calls  Jim a twit?" SIGN OF THE RELATIONSHIP ENDIIING

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #40 on: 13 Aug 2018, 19:17 »

Comic is up already!  Faye's taking her medicine like a grownup in the end, and Jim is taking a liking to Bubbles' influence on Sam.
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« Reply #41 on: 13 Aug 2018, 19:34 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 13 Aug 2018, 19:40 »

"It must hurt like hell"

I trust that's Mom speaking, not the Dominatrix.
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« Reply #43 on: 13 Aug 2018, 19:44 »

Notice the complete social integration. Bubbles is simply a good influence. The context didn't involve her identity as a synthetic so it wasn't even hinted at.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #44 on: 13 Aug 2018, 20:40 »

Part of maturing into an adult is acknowledging unpleasant truths about oneself.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #45 on: 13 Aug 2018, 22:07 »

I kinda read the last panel as "So it's all my fault?" - "No, just this one[, I know my daughter]."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 13 Aug 2018, 22:26 »

To be entirely fair, I think Faye should at least get some credit from having Sam call him. Otherwise he wouldn't even have known where she was.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 13 Aug 2018, 23:17 »

To me, the real significance of this strip is that it reminds us that Faye still has a bathtub full of self-esteem issues. Everything being her fault sort of fits in with the worse aspects of her own self-image and, whilst Jim has his own priorities, it would have been nice for him to at least acknowledge that Faye feels guilty about the situation.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #48 on: 13 Aug 2018, 23:30 »

Considering how things could’ve gone with anyone else Faye is getting off easy.  Bubbles is a good influence on Sam, but a great influence on Faye. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 14 Aug 2018, 00:16 »

Faye naturally feels guilty about the situation, but as Jim is quite bluntly pointing out, she should feel guilty. This happened on her watch, and this mistake should be a learning experience for her as much as for Sam. Wouldn't hurt for Jim to thank her for being upfront, like he did with Sam, but there's no point sugar-coating things. He's also still angry and is probably doing his best to hold it in and be reasonable.

That said, Faye may have to take care not to be ambushed by a bottle on the way home.
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