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What should be the topic of Claire's Masters Thesis?

ABC's - An Alternative to the Dewey Decimal System
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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)  (Read 9514 times)

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WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« on: 19 Aug 2018, 15:09 »

It's another week, and eventually our dear  :claireface: will get out of her boat on a river in Egypt.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 19 Aug 2018, 17:34 »

I could see Claire go for "A History of Puns and their Use in Cataloging"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 19 Aug 2018, 18:00 »

The fartclowns are what show up when you've had a few too many McNuggets (too many being any amount greater than zero).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 19 Aug 2018, 18:07 »

Le Pétomane was not the first, but probably the most famous.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 19 Aug 2018, 18:58 »

I just joined this forum to say that today's comic 3811 may be the most pure expression of Pintsize I've ever seen and it makes me very happy.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 19 Aug 2018, 19:03 »

Pintsize shouting is adorable. 



And it probably is exactly what Claire needed to hear. 






Also, "Send in the clowns...." 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 19 Aug 2018, 19:10 »

I just joined this forum to say that today's comic 3811 may be the most pure expression of Pintsize I've ever seen and it makes me very happy.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 19 Aug 2018, 21:27 »

Good for Pintsize for saying it and good for Claire for actually HEARING it.

"This is what boyfriends are for" - this is what support systems are for, but if your boyfriend that you're living with isn't one of the major pillars of your support system, you're probably doing it wrong.  She could also talk to Clinton or Emily or Tai or her mom.  (Tai might be a bad choice because of drastically different attitudes toward school, but.  You know.)  Possibly Faye or Bubbles or Dora or Penelope.

...I kinda want to see some Claire-Penelope interactions.  The bookworm who wants to get into... editing?  I think?  Something to do with the book publishing industry... and the librarian-to-be.  I suspect they could find an interest or two in common.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 19 Aug 2018, 21:59 »

Now you have me wanting to see the interaction between "Working her ass off for it" and "Resentful but not doing anything about it (that we've seen)."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 19 Aug 2018, 22:03 »

Pintsize must really like Claire to have put himself through the obvious strain of being good to try to help her. Look at that last panel: robot migraine onset.

But then I think he's had a soft spot for her ever since she let him go through with her initiation paddling.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 19 Aug 2018, 22:37 »

....fartclown?

You know from the fart circus.   

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Is the alt-text canon because if not man... what.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 19 Aug 2018, 23:15 »

And AGAIN Pintsize shows remarkable depth. I wonder if it's because Claire is dating HIS person? Or if it's just character development?

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 19 Aug 2018, 23:20 »

High expectations. especially if they're also yours and you've been pretty much planning your life around them for a number of years and reality is proving a lot different.

The fact is that Claire isn't so much worried about the outcome of the exams as she is about the unknown. She's rapidly moving into an area where no amount of preparation or intelligence can fully guarantee an outcome and she doesn't know how to handle that.

Finally... 'Fartclown'? Methinks that Pintsize has spent too much time around Faye and she has infected him with her approach to nicknames!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 19 Aug 2018, 23:44 »


And it probably is exactly what Claire needed to hear. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 20 Aug 2018, 00:18 »

Le Pétomane was not the first, but probably the most famous.

That reminds me of a Mr. Show sketch that I’d love to look up if I had the time.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 20 Aug 2018, 00:42 »

Is ... is Pintsize actually trying to do his job?

:-o
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 20 Aug 2018, 00:46 »

Is ... is Pintsize actually trying to do his job?

:-o

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 20 Aug 2018, 01:17 »

Is ... is Pintsize actually trying to do his job?

:-o

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #18 on: 20 Aug 2018, 03:06 »

I'd say that Pintsize being consoled after his romantic misunderstanding might possibly just qualify. Though, it's pretty much on par.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #19 on: 20 Aug 2018, 03:46 »

Is ... is Pintsize actually trying to do his job?

:-o

Stranger things have happened.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 20 Aug 2018, 04:45 »


I'll do better. I'll name three!

(click to show/hide)

Technically one of those things has not happened yet.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 20 Aug 2018, 05:21 »

Okay, two and a half things then.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 20 Aug 2018, 11:48 »

"I'm gonna kick butt, but in a cute and non-threatening manner."

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 20 Aug 2018, 13:01 »

Already mentioned this on Patreon, but I love Claire and Pintsize's friendship. On the surface they have pretty different personalities, but they're good at making each other see common sense, and the things they have in common (open-mindedness, quirky sense of humour) mean they complement each other well.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #24 on: 20 Aug 2018, 17:26 »

Is ... is Pintsize actually trying to do his job?

 :o

Stranger things have happened.

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One?


Hannelore.


Hannelore is a stranger thing that has happened.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 20 Aug 2018, 19:12 »

Strip is up! 

Good news is Marten is back in a plot line.  Bad news is this going to be another plot with relationship drama where half the board will be complaining about how clueless and passive he is.  :roll:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 20 Aug 2018, 19:27 »

Strip is up! 

Good news is Marten is back in a plot line.  Bad news is this going to be another plot with relationship drama where half the board will be complaining about how clueless and passive he is.  :roll:

Go go go more of the same goooo!!!!!

And yes I predict more of exactly the same. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 20 Aug 2018, 19:29 »

In fact I claim exclusive shipping rights for More and Same.

Behold -- Morame!    Or... maybe Samre!   

(pulls pin,  throws, runs in other direction  -->  :-D)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #28 on: 20 Aug 2018, 19:33 »

Marten has demonstrated increasing maturity and awareness over the years. Maybe we're in for a switcheroo where he and Pintsize are the voices of wisdom and reason, respectively.


...naaaaaah. :)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 20 Aug 2018, 19:37 »

...goddammit, this feels like the on-ramp to a very familiar road.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #30 on: 20 Aug 2018, 20:19 »

(pulls pin,  throws, runs in other direction  -->  :-D)

Hey, what are we supposed to do with this pin you threw at us?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #31 on: 20 Aug 2018, 20:33 »

Claire, breathe, dammit!   

Don't forget, you can always talk over dinner.  Or even afterward. 



Just lean over, put your hand on his chopsticks, look him in the eye, and tell him you're scared. 





And when he comes back with, "Oh, you'll be fine!"  Slap him silly.   :angel:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 20 Aug 2018, 20:51 »

(pulls pin,  throws, runs in other direction  -->  :-D)

Hey, what are we supposed to do with this pin you threw at us?


Wait, what?   CURSES -- FOILED AGAIN!!   *massive off-screen explosion*
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #33 on: 20 Aug 2018, 21:18 »

You have to start off by saying that you need to vent Claire!  Then Marten will sit down and just listen.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #34 on: 20 Aug 2018, 21:21 »

Great Martens back, we haven't seen him in awhile but he'll handle this like he handled Claire displaying herself to him or helping Faye with her alcoholism or Hanners issues with intimacy, he was very understanding and patient so no doubt he'll be completely on top of this
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 20 Aug 2018, 23:26 »

In Marten's defence, I bet that he thinks that he's doing the right thing. Claire has been talking to him about her anxieties before and he's been doing his best to reassure her that he believes in her and that he doesn't think she has anything to worry about. By acting as he does in this strip, he's just failing to pick up that what Claire is trying to say has changed slightly.

One of the big problems is, of course, Claire has been hiding just how badly this is affecting her from... well, just about everyone. I think that Pintsize only knows because she tossed him! That said, Marten should be more aware of Claire's mental and emotional health. When they first met, she was on medication for anxiety and mood swings and things like that don't just 'go away' because you're in a stable and happy relationship!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #36 on: 21 Aug 2018, 00:33 »

Okay, before the torches and pitchforks are broken out...

A relationship is a two way street. Both sides need to communicate and actually say something is wrong. After all, no one has true telepathy (...yet). So people will default to the old "I know you'll do great".

Is that helping Claire right now? Probably not, but Marten hasn't done anything wrong here, yet. He's trying to be a good boyfriend, giving his girlfriend the encouragement he thinks she needs. I mean, stressing about exams is a common thing to stress about and most of the time, people just need that encouraging word.

The problem would be if Claire kept trying to talk to Marten and he just keeps saying encouraging things, without taking the time to actually listen to Claire's problems and fears, then talking through them with Claire.

Remember, Marten is a decent person, but he can't read people's minds and instantly solve their problems.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #37 on: 21 Aug 2018, 00:44 »

So people will default to the old "I know you'll do great".


That is the worst though. :') In general, you should just never respond like this. Because it means your not actually listening.
First "awww, man/honey tell me more about it" and afterwards you can say something like "I'm really sure you'll do great, absolutely, I've seen you put in the work, but I can totally understand why you are so upset about it."

So definitely some downpoints to marten. She *is* clearly trying to talk.
This might be the moment that pintsize is going to shine by giving him some "gentle" reminder though :P that might be funny
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #38 on: 21 Aug 2018, 00:52 »

First "awww, man/honey tell me more about it" and afterwards you can say something like "I'm really sure you'll do great, absolutely, I've seen you put in the work, but I can totally understand why you are so upset about it."

btw, if you are interested, my take on how to calm someone down/listen: (from a person who struggels with anxiety, so I would know)

- first you let people vent, let the stress out a little. Also so you can see what's bothering them most - what is the thing that is stressing them out specifically
- you *do* give some positive response, they are talking themselves down *hard* at the moment, they need to hear some positivity HOWEVER, this is the hard part - you have to make it specific, you have to stress it, because otherwise they won't believe you. It would sound too generic. You have to word it in a way that gives them a feeling that it's your actual response to this, and give them one or two solid reasons behind this reasoning.
- important next step; acknowledge their suffering. If you don't, they'll feel like you're just waving away their struggles, you have to acknowledge their feelings of discomfort. This let's them know you see what they are going through, you are there, and it also makes your previous encouragement more believable. Even though you see how bad it is, you do believe in them. .etc.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #39 on: 21 Aug 2018, 02:46 »

Initially I was with all the people saying "Claire just needs to communicate better," but honestly, looking at the strip, Marten asks Claire how her day is and immediately dismisses her response. He's being inconsiderate, IMO.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #40 on: 21 Aug 2018, 04:23 »

I'm willing to bet that Pintsize will intervene here as well. It would make for a wonderful interaction with Marten which we haven't seen in ages. Like... Pintsize just going "Hey fuckbutt, REALLY listen to her, ok?"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #41 on: 21 Aug 2018, 04:54 »

Marten, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 21 Aug 2018, 05:40 »

never ever unload your emotional baggage before they've at least had dinner if they're the last one to come home, let the guy relax for a minute.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #43 on: 21 Aug 2018, 06:01 »

@Antario,

A great idea in theory but, sometimes, it won't wait. Never underestimate the amount of courage and mental preparation that some people need to even think of talking about stuff like this. Some people have difficulty even trying to talk about this more than once!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #44 on: 21 Aug 2018, 07:08 »

Not his fault, he tried to delve into this with her earlier and she brushed it off. Now it is on her to speak up and tell him, "We need to talk about this".

I'm sorry, we aren't mind readers. If you want to discuss an issue, you need to make it sound serious. Otherwise we might not pick up on it and we will be a bit upset ourselves when you unload on us at a later date. Communication is key.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #45 on: 21 Aug 2018, 07:14 »

Maybe Marten needs to be more aware.  But before being too hard on him, remember we just had a strip in which we were told clearly how Claire is feeling, and he didn't get to read that strip yet.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 21 Aug 2018, 07:58 »

Not his fault, he tried to delve into this with her earlier and she brushed it off. Now it is on her to speak up and tell him, "We need to talk about this".

I'm sorry, we aren't mind readers. If you want to discuss an issue, you need to make it sound serious. Otherwise we might not pick up on it and we will be a bit upset ourselves when you unload on us at a later date. Communication is key.

In general yeah, but he asks the question "how was your day" and the response is
"euh, actually" --> there is something up
"I've been really stressed about my exams" --> she literately says something is wrong
"and.." --> this in all languages means you are going to add something..
and he brushes her off. He literately doesn't let her finish after she said something's wrong.

This is not the -"everythings fine" and you're supposed to know that it isn't- case.
You don't brush off someone that says something is wrong, especially if said person is your girl- or boyfriend.
(I mean, this goes both ways, let's not let your "we" be simply the guy in the relationship here).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 21 Aug 2018, 08:38 »

However, if you've been in a relationship as long as Claire and Marten have been (well, long enough to be living together), not every conversation is going to turn into a deep, meaningful discussion about aspects of their lives. Claire is admittedly someone who can be quite stressed at times, to the point where Marten has probably had the same chat with her. Its more a sign of how comfortable they have gotten in their relationship.

No one is at fault here, but both sides need to communicate better. Marten needs to actively listen more, but Claire needs to speak up as well. Its one thing to say that she's stressed about the exam, but like I said, Claire is a stressed person by nature. Now, Marten does need to cop on a little more and pay attention to what Claire is saying. Ultimately, this story is meant to be an opportunity for the both of them to grow and to work on their relationship.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #48 on: 21 Aug 2018, 09:47 »

1. Communication is hard. Even when everyone's coming from a well intentioned place in a healthy and supportive environment.
2. Per comic 3791 the last thing Marten knew was that he tried to engage Claire with exactly this issue, she deflected, so he fell back to his default setting of steady support.
3. Based on his history, he'll probably stay there until something energetic forces him to move.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3811-3815 (20-24 August 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 21 Aug 2018, 10:37 »

I guess I feel a bit silly for over-analyzing this, but there's something about Marten in this series that just doesn't sit well with me.
He's going to work for Tai at Smif College, a job that he's openly passive about, and yet for some reason he's decided to start dressing up like he's back at the dead-end job we started the entire story with.
Add that to the fact that he's taking on the overly-assertive archetype of a working male who dismisses his partner's CLEARLY STATED DISTRESS. (I'm sorry but any response to "how was your day" other than "fine" or "good" or whatever is a red flag.) He's just not being cool.
There's no need to "engage" Claire at all. Just sit down, shut up, and listen.
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