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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #100 on: 19 Sep 2018, 11:16 »

For law enforcement, penitentiary personnel and the military, there's also the stress that higher risk brings.

There are people that do have legitimate issues with law enforcers, I won't deny that. Injustice has this way of getting under your skin.

I'm quite sure this isn't the last we've seen on the matter. Go Jeph!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #101 on: 19 Sep 2018, 11:43 »

I am going to miss having a window into the world of robots in law enforcement.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #102 on: 19 Sep 2018, 11:45 »

Do you believe that some are truly irredeemable?

Some people have a VERY road to redemption. And some of them actively rrefuse to walk in the right direction until they have a near miss.
Basically, some people are probably only getting into Heaven by repenting on their deathbed.

There was some American Psychologist who defined that attitude as "evil" - people who intellectually understand their behaviour is harmful, have the capacity to make moral judgements and modify their behaviour, but ... walk the other way.

I think IICIH mentioned his name here a few times ...  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #103 on: 19 Sep 2018, 12:10 »

Do you believe that some are truly irredeemable?

Some people have a VERY road to redemption. And some of them actively rrefuse to walk in the right direction until they have a near miss.
Basically, some people are probably only getting into Heaven by repenting on their deathbed.

There was some American Psychologist who defined that attitude as "evil" - people who intellectually understand their behaviour is harmful, have the capacity to make moral judgements and modify their behaviour, but ... walk the other way.

I think IICIH mentioned his name here a few times ...  :psyduck:

Phillip Zimbardo's Stanford exercise in confirmation bias?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #104 on: 19 Sep 2018, 12:37 »


I hope that's not the last we see of Roko...
(I'm 'hoping' it means an extended Arc! I like Roko!!)

My hunch is that Jeph likes Roko too, and feels like he can do more interesting stories with her character if she's not a cop.
(I like Roko too!)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #105 on: 19 Sep 2018, 14:28 »

I am going to miss having a window into the world of robots in law enforcement.

I'm not sure we have one anyway. Roko being a cop doesn't mean anything in the story as far as I can tell (at least, it hasn't since the CW storyline) except that it restricts the possibilities of interaction with other cast members.

My hunch is that Jeph likes Roko too, and feels like he can do more interesting stories with her character if she's not a cop.
(I like Roko too!)

Seconded. Or thirded. Or something.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #106 on: 19 Sep 2018, 17:17 »

Do you believe that some are truly irredeemable?

Some people have a VERY road to redemption. And some of them actively rrefuse to walk in the right direction until they have a near miss.
Basically, some people are probably only getting into Heaven by repenting on their deathbed.

There was some American Psychologist who defined that attitude as "evil" - people who intellectually understand their behaviour is harmful, have the capacity to make moral judgements and modify their behaviour, but ... walk the other way.

I think IICIH mentioned his name here a few times ...  :psyduck:

Scott Peck, "People of the Lie".

One interesting thing is that he worked in prisons and said that while he found a lot of destructive and dangerous people there, very few met his definition of evil.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #107 on: 19 Sep 2018, 17:41 »

I'm not sure we have one anyway. Roko being a cop doesn't mean anything in the story as far as I can tell (at least, it hasn't since the CW storyline) except that it restricts the possibilities of interaction with other cast members.

Eh?  "{I}t restricts the possibilities of interaction with other cast member" is Fake News.

What sorts of characters to TV dramas revolve around?  Doctors, lawyers, and cops with the occasional paramedic or private investigator, etc. 

It's how series writers get their protagonists' noses into other peoples' business without making them busybodies. 

Clergy works too, but notice that they usually get teamed up with a cop.  Outside of comedies and sitcoms, cops make up a substantial proportion of TV's main characters.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #108 on: 19 Sep 2018, 19:03 »

There was some American Psychologist who defined that attitude as "evil" - people who intellectually understand their behaviour is harmful, have the capacity to make moral judgements and modify their behaviour, but ... walk the other way.

I think IICIH mentioned his name here a few times ...  :psyduck:

Scott Peck, "People of the Lie".

One interesting thing is that he worked in prisons and said that while he found a lot of destructive and dangerous people there, very few met his definition of evil.

Dat's der bunny
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #109 on: 19 Sep 2018, 19:21 »

I'm not sure we have one anyway. Roko being a cop doesn't mean anything in the story as far as I can tell (at least, it hasn't since the CW storyline) except that it restricts the possibilities of interaction with other cast members.

Eh?  "{I}t restricts the possibilities of interaction with other cast member" is Fake News.

What sorts of characters to TV dramas revolve around?  Doctors, lawyers, and cops with the occasional paramedic or private investigator, etc. 

It's how series writers get their protagonists' noses into other peoples' business without making them busybodies. 

Clergy works too, but notice that they usually get teamed up with a cop.  Outside of comedies and sitcoms, cops make up a substantial proportion of TV's main characters.

Really? There are TV shows centred around police? Goodness. Tell me more.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #110 on: 19 Sep 2018, 20:48 »

I expect May to run out after her going, "WTF! Don't listen to ME!" or something...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #111 on: 19 Sep 2018, 20:50 »

May cares. She needs to be more careful or people will find out.

EDIT: or, wait, maybe less care-full. Semantics.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #112 on: 19 Sep 2018, 22:21 »

I love how May is constantly helping the other characters in spite of herself, and without trying.

Or, indeed, wanting to!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #113 on: 19 Sep 2018, 22:25 »

Oh the punanity.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #114 on: 19 Sep 2018, 23:16 »

What today's strip really reminds us of is how fundamentally good a person May is. For all her bad attitude and the fact that she is bitter and mean, she doesn't want people hurt because of her. When she realises that she may be causing harm, she actually goes to a lot of trouble to try to stop it from getting any worse. I honestly think that a lot of her behaviour is an attempt at developing an emotional and social armour so she won't be hurt but, when she doesn't have to do that, you often get a hint of someone who wants friends and wants to do the right thing but is afraid to do so in too obvious a way.

That aside... am I the only one who was expecting Roko to burst out in song in panel 3?

Finally, May's analogy in panel 4 disturbs me. It reads too much like bitter experience. Did that actually happen to her one day? Did she say: "Hey, you know what would be funny? If that barge of puppies burst into flames!" It promptly did so; as ridiculous as it is, she has never got over the fear that it was somehow her fault!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #115 on: 19 Sep 2018, 23:34 »

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I honestly think that a lot of her behaviour is an attempt at developing an emotional and social armour so she won't be hurt but, when she doesn't have to do that, you often get a hint of someone who wants friends and wants to do the right thing but is afraid to do so in too obvious a way.

May, Faye in the first thousand strips, Bubbles, who else?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #116 on: 20 Sep 2018, 00:58 »

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I honestly think that a lot of her behaviour is an attempt at developing an emotional and social armour so she won't be hurt but, when she doesn't have to do that, you often get a hint of someone who wants friends and wants to do the right thing but is afraid to do so in too obvious a way.

May, Faye in the first thousand strips, Bubbles, who else?

Oooooh...  :-o


That aside... am I the only one who was expecting Roko to burst out in song in panel 3?

I know, she looks like Julie Andrews about to go "The HILLS are alive..."  :laugh:


So who else caught Jeph's awful pun below the last frame, "a real Hundenberg disaster"? Probably only the German speakers. See, "Hund" is German for "dog"...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #117 on: 20 Sep 2018, 01:15 »

So who else caught Jeph's awful pun below the last frame, "a real Hundenberg disaster"? Probably only the German speakers. See, "Hund" is German for "dog"...

*cough*
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #118 on: 20 Sep 2018, 02:41 »

So who else caught Jeph's awful pun below the last frame, "a real Hundenberg disaster"? Probably only the German speakers. See, "Hund" is German for "dog"...

*cough* *whoof*

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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #119 on: 20 Sep 2018, 04:16 »

Well, seems there was a dog on board Hindenburg, and she didn't survive. Unlike the beer, apparently. Priorities, I suppose.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #120 on: 20 Sep 2018, 05:56 »

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I honestly think that a lot of her behaviour is an attempt at developing an emotional and social armour so she won't be hurt but, when she doesn't have to do that, you often get a hint of someone who wants friends and wants to do the right thing but is afraid to do so in too obvious a way.

May, Faye in the first thousand strips, Bubbles, who else?

Pintsize in the first 3826 strips...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #121 on: 20 Sep 2018, 07:19 »

Well, seems there was a dog on board Hindenburg, and she didn't survive. Unlike the beer, apparently. Priorities, I suppose.
Most likely from the diesel fuel, like most of the victims of that disaster.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #122 on: 20 Sep 2018, 07:30 »

On one hand, yay Roko.

On the other, I expect May to run out after her going, "WTF! Don't listen to ME!" or something...

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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #123 on: 20 Sep 2018, 09:20 »

Mnnn....still shipping them.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #124 on: 20 Sep 2018, 10:20 »

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WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #125 on: 20 Sep 2018, 11:02 »

Roko: is attracted to bread, and fantasizes about males with human abs bringing bread to her.

May: Who knows? She’s made some lewd comments about female anatomy that imply that she finds it attractive. She’s also made some lewd comments about male anatomy that imply that she doesn’t find it attractive. But that’s about all we have to go on.

So this ship has very little searoom.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #126 on: 20 Sep 2018, 13:00 »

Roko: is attracted to bread, and fantasizes about males with human abs bringing bread to her.

May: Who knows? She’s made some lewd comments about female anatomy that imply that she finds it attractive. She’s also made some lewd comments about male anatomy that imply that she doesn’t find it attractive. But that’s about all we have to go on.

So this ship has very little searoom.

Yet May has also made quite some lewd/crude comments about doing specific things with male anatomical parts that imply she may not be opposed to males(?)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #127 on: 20 Sep 2018, 17:36 »

I could definitely ship them, but probably not for a relationship.

For a buddy cop drama!

She's a beat cop with a desire to actually do good, a need to investigate, and a guilty sexual pleasure involving baked goods. She's an ex-con with no impulse control, a crass exterior, but quietly a heart of gold. The twist, they're both artificial intelligences trying to find a place in an organic world.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #128 on: 20 Sep 2018, 17:49 »

May can never qualify for a police job with her record, but imagine them as private investigators!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #129 on: 20 Sep 2018, 18:30 »

Comic’s up.

May is certainly showing some character growth. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #130 on: 20 Sep 2018, 18:36 »

May is an enthusiastic reader of "Prolapse Monthly" -- but I doubt she wants such things to happen to anyone she knows.

I find it symbolically significant that Roko has divested herself of her tie. That's the -first- thing I'd do.

And it's 'Hundebarge' according to Google Translate.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #131 on: 20 Sep 2018, 19:15 »

May can never qualify for a police job with her record, but imagine them as private investigators!
Not sure how stringent the rules are for P.I. licensure in QC's Northhampton, but it's possible May would have trouble there too.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #132 on: 20 Sep 2018, 19:56 »

May can never qualify for a police job with her record, but imagine them as private investigators!

I believe the standard TV trope Loophole is the "Criminal Informant"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #133 on: 20 Sep 2018, 20:09 »

To be fair, May would make for a crappy CI. As a parolee, she'd have to stay away from criminals.

Also, as cool as May may be, she is certainly no Huggy Bear.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #134 on: 20 Sep 2018, 20:15 »

That was pretty good overall. Still kinda want to know what Robot Jail is, but...

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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #135 on: 20 Sep 2018, 21:20 »

That was pretty good overall. Still kinda want to know what Robot Jail is, but...

Why?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #136 on: 20 Sep 2018, 22:12 »

Because it is there.

It might help us understand May better.
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« Reply #137 on: 20 Sep 2018, 23:14 »

I'm just loving the way that May is genuinely trying to be friendly and helpful and then her temper gets the better of her and she's all snarky again. This is starting to feel like a really fleshed-out character with a consistent personality and some depth to her.

Meanwhile... am I the only one who would like to see May's parolebot in the position of being effectively an elementary school teacher having to mediate a playground spat between Roko and May? "No, I don't care that she won't 'let you win'!"

I really hope that Roko decides to stick it out because I think she's more interesting as being the cast's window into local government and the authorities of the QC universe than she'd ever be as just another generic Synthetic with a single kink to define her. Fighting for change and believing that you can make a difference is more interesting in narrative terms than giving up and walking away to a random future.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #138 on: 20 Sep 2018, 23:19 »

May can never qualify for a police job with her record, but imagine them as private investigators!
Roko, yes.  May, no way in bloody Hell.

However, May, as a convenience store clerk, works at the physical margins of "the Underworld."   (So does everyone else at Coffee of Doom, just not quite as close to the frontier.)  People there, cab drivers, doormen, all night cafe waitstaff, see and hear things.  She doesn't need to be Roko's "snitch" and go looking for information - information comes to people who live and work there whether they want it or not.  Sometimes they can't keep mum but would rather talk to someone they know.  May will go to Roko.


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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #139 on: 20 Sep 2018, 23:51 »

It might help us understand May better.

That seems unlikely to me. And I'm not normally one to make predictions, but I predict we'll never find out.

All we need know is that May was traumatised by it. That it was so terrible, she can't talk about it.

Each of us has in our own heads some version of her experience. We are, each of us, imagining pretty much the most dreadful thing we can think of.

What happens if Jeph tries to describe it? Maybe it will match what you are thinking of. More likely, it will be a diluted version of what you're thinking of, which would weaken its impact.

It really is best kept in the abstract.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #140 on: 21 Sep 2018, 00:30 »

Today's bottom line:
... and also how much I hate neckties.

Yes Mister Creator Sir, I already had the impression it was not your most  favourite garment...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #141 on: 21 Sep 2018, 00:40 »

I just don't see why anyone would willingly put anything that can be used to strangle them around their neck, and include a convenient grabbable bit to facilitate the process.  Granted, I don't like *anything* touching the front of my neck, but wearing a tie just seems like a really stupid thing to do.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #143 on: 21 Sep 2018, 04:35 »


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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #144 on: 21 Sep 2018, 04:42 »

And they spread diseases and damage your eyesight
http://uk.businessinsider.com/wearing-a-tie-could-seriously-damage-your-body-heres-how-2018-7?r=US&IR=T

Seriously, how many people do their ties up tight enough to have that effect?  If they do, it's likely that their shirt collar is also tight and as much to blame.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #145 on: 21 Sep 2018, 10:32 »

I just don't see why anyone would willingly put anything that can be used to strangle them around their neck, and include a convenient grabbable bit to facilitate the process.  Granted, I don't like *anything* touching the front of my neck, but wearing a tie just seems like a really stupid thing to do.

I know I'm in the minority, but personally I love wearing neckties, as they provide a great way (together with socks, obviously) to make the typical business attire more colorful and inject some personal style.
Plus, I don't find them uncomfortable at all.

Necklaces/chains etc on the other hand I just can't stand wearing.

To each their own, always holds true :)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #146 on: 21 Sep 2018, 10:47 »

I just don't see why anyone would willingly put anything that can be used to strangle them around their neck, and include a convenient grabbable bit to facilitate the process.  Granted, I don't like *anything* touching the front of my neck, but wearing a tie just seems like a really stupid thing to do.

The purpose of a necktie is to hide the buttons on the front of your shirt, because it would be utterly horrible if anyone happened to see those. I mean, think of the children!  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #147 on: 21 Sep 2018, 12:54 »

One of the few feats of physical skill I get to brag about - being able to tie a four-in-hand or a half-windsor without a mirror.  (I must credit the Sisters of the Perpetual Knuckle-whack for motivating me in grade school for the four-in-hand.  I learned the half-windsor on my own as an act of rebellion.)

And I agree, it's the collar, not the tie that's so damned uncomfortable.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #148 on: 21 Sep 2018, 13:08 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3831-3835 (17-21 September, 2018)
« Reply #149 on: 21 Sep 2018, 13:16 »

I just don't see why anyone would willingly put anything that can be used to strangle them around their neck, and include a convenient grabbable bit to facilitate the process.  Granted, I don't like *anything* touching the front of my neck, but wearing a tie just seems like a really stupid thing to do.

Funnily enough, it was thought that cravats offered protection, at least psychological in nature, from spear attacks in the 16th century. They were originally worn by Croatian mercenaries who served in the French Army in the 1630s. The neck pieces worn by them fascinated the Parisian nobles and eventually they started wearing them. In fact, the word cravat comes from the French cravate, which was a variation of Croate.

Eventually the cravat worn by Croatians evolved into the necktie we all know and love today. (Or in the case of some people, are absolutely terrified of. Personally, I like a nice tie, completes the look of a suit and serves as a much needed focal and tying point)
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