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Author Topic: WCDT strips 3866-3871 (5th November to 10th November 2018)  (Read 23059 times)

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I'm sure that if it were as inappropriate or awkward as you seem to think, Marten would never have offered to ask.
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Looking back at some of Tais behavior she can be quite...I don't know, inconsiderate, selfish maybe.

I mean the whole telling Marten (her subordinate) she really likes his girlfriend or asking asking him for advice in making up with Dora, a situation he found (not unreasonably) quite uncomfortable and now this...

IF you want to insert yourself in a mother daughter thing thats your business but you ask, don't make Marten ask for you
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Especially since Marten offers all the resistance of a wet noodle to... just about anything.  And Tai surely knows this.

IMO, it is (at least adjacent to) inviting herself, to something that may well be private, and even asking the question might be considered inappropriate (also inconsiderate, selfish, insensitive, etc etc).
... and yet, entirely in character for Tai, also IMO.   :-P  :roll:
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Legal in Canada, now. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Is weed legal in Northhampton? Fictional or real city?

IIRC, Massachusetts legalized it in 2016.

They can't bust her for it (unless she has more than ten ounces at home, or one in public), but they can seize it, because unless she has a prescription, she unquestionably bought it illegally.  Recreational sales have been "a month away" for two years now.  We've seen that the police in Jeph's Northampton don't seem to mind much, though, although that might've changed on a meta level with Roko's arc.
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So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?
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So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?

I'm not sure.
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In spite of my recent policy to let character-hate posts go through to the keeper, I can't help but register my confusion as to whether the message here is that she should have invited herself or should not have. To an event that is almost certainly not the deep mother-daughter moment you're all making it out to be.

Also, while I know that bashing Marten's backbone, or lack thereof, is a forum sport, he's perfectly capable of showing resistance when he has to.

IF you want to insert yourself in a mother daughter thing thats your business but you ask, don't make Marten ask for you

IMO, it is (at least adjacent to) inviting herself, to something that may well be private, and even asking the question might be considered inappropriate (also inconsiderate, selfish, insensitive, etc etc).

Anyway, I've just decided that I like Tai even more.

So, I'm not quite clear on this... does Tai like to party?

I'm not sure.

Maybe.

Edit: Forgot to mention. If Marten asks, it won't be at all awkward for Claire to say "no". Whereas if Tai had asked directly, that might have been more socially awkward. Really, this way is much more socially appropriate.
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In re:  Tai's participation in the mother-daughter bong bonding and whether Tai is stepping outside of the boundaries set by her position, allow me:

I was, for 25 years, part of a newspaper newsroom staffed largely by young people not too long out of college, living far from wherever home had been, and in a community that drew definite lines between who was "from here" and who wasn't. Naturally, the young co-workers became social. The younger echelon of the newsroom became a family (sometimes literally; I can immediately think of three -- no, four -- marriages whose spark was first struck on deadline). I know that some of my most enduring friendships were formed in my first two years there, while most of the co-workers who came after (particularly as I became "too old for this sh!t") blur together in, or drop out of, my memory.

These relationships brought the minefields one might expect, the hurt feelings and the favoritism, and I won't argue with anyone who wants to doubt the appropriateness of this, but that doesn't change the reality of them.

My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.
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Boundaries blurred? In QC?
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My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.

I didn't even realise that the crossing of workplace/personal boundaries was a factor in this conversation. But that would explain a lot.
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Really, it's not, Claire no longer works at the library.  That was a summer internship, and during the school year, she was a TA.  An ex-boss who's friends with your boyfriend and roommate isn't crossing workplace boundary lines here.
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My point is that the judgment of whether Tai crossed a boundary may be muddied by the fact that, in such a workplace/social situation, the boundaries may be blurry indeed.

I didn't even realise that the crossing of workplace/personal boundaries was a factor in this conversation. But that would explain a lot.

Tai vs. boundaries is a subject that occasionally rears its head. Granted, the workplace dynamic may no longer exist, but the present relationship among the characters was certainly forged in an environment that reminds me (not always uncomfortably) of the newsroom that was pretty much my life for 25 years.
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But Marten still works for Tai - I think you guys misplaced the boundary in the first place, no matter how blurred! 
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I don't know for the others, but my point was that you don't interfere in a mother-daughter (or any parent-child) moment if not invited to...

But yes, after some tought, the fact that Claire is Marten's girlfriend and Tai is Marten's boss could even make her request look like harrassement. I know, that's not the kind of relations those characters have and everybody seems to be happy, actually, no need to remind me...

And Tai didn't really request anything. She just squeaked...
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I'd say she violated both Marten and Claire's boundaries, arguably...
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Never a Tai fan, the ay she "Humorously" sleazes at other people's girlfriends would not be tolerated in anyone else, this just lowers my opinion of her. If you want to get wrecked, do it with your friends, not your employee's GF and her Mum.
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This thread has got pretty judgy.

Whether she violated Marten's boundaries is debatable but she didn't actually say anything, he offered.

Claire's, if they were violated by anyone, were violated by Marten for asking her.

And I have no idea what the definition of 'sleaze' as a verb is to you, gopher, but my relationship features free exchange of 'God I'd love to fuck them' remarks about people real, fictional, known personally or only known from a distance e.g. celebrities.
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Never a Tai fan, the ay she "Humorously" sleazes at other people's girlfriends would not be tolerated in anyone else, this just lowers my opinion of her. If you want to get wrecked, do it with your friends, not your employee's GF and her Mum.

In this specific situation, why not? No-one in their own circle of friends has a problem with it. So why do you? And that goes for everyone else acting judgementally.

If Claire had a problem with it, then I'd be with you.

This latest outbreak of disapproval, just like the previous, seems to stem from a misjudgment of other people's friendship dynamics.
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So, the O7100 catches fire does it.  So now we know the real reason Faye's apartment caught fire.
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Not the malevolent AI toaster? (Frakkin' toasters)

Do the O7100 or 7200 have AIs?

If so, are they affected by the aromas of the consumed material? (it can't all be tea!)

So many ramifications.
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I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3870

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Claire's mom is the mom friend.


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No shame in being light weight. I dont smoke MJ but im kind of light weight with alcohol and that makes the nights out SO MUCH cheaper haha!
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Insert GTA V "Wasted" meme picture here.

(I'm feeling so lazy, today...)
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Yep, a vape will do this. Especially for an inexperienced user.

Wait, reverse those two facets, I can't be bothered to edit.
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Yeeaahh...

I'm gonna say, "CALLED IT!"  :)

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I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3870

I think it'll start out that way.  But, I also think it's why Tai's there in the first place.  You've got one, inexperienced user who had a bad time on their only time using.  That in of itself is enough to start this next experience off on the wrong foot.  I used to be that way when I used to dabble.  Unless I was in my own home, or a few close friends homes where I felt about as comfortable as if I was in my own home, anxiety and a miserable experience was on the way.  And since I knew it?  I focused on it, and that made it worse. 

But, now add in Tai.  I can kind of see her acting along as the Hallucinogenic Sherpa of the trip with her experience.  She's been there, she's done it, she's seen it, she's seen multiples of people go through it.  I can see her trying to guide Claire back on track and offer her some tips and tricks on how to enjoy herself and have a good time with it.  Then add in Mom.  Having your mom around as a friendly face, well doesn't get more "comfortable" than that in order to relieve tensions and anxiety. 

Personally I think after the initial bad situation is over with, everything will get on track and some talking to mom and Tai about what's got her worked up, career, future etc. is coming.  Tai offering career advice while Mom telling her not to think about this and her career as an end all defining moment because anyone is allowed to change at any given point, I mean, from what Clinton and Claire have mentioned, Claire's mom has been experimenting and changing quite a bit herself as of late. 
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Yeah you are correct that any kind of experimentation with narcotics really should include at least one experienced user to act as a guide.

Doesn't just apply to drugs either. There's sexual experimentation, even other completely non-threatening activities.
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Just a side remark: better not having time to get cookies in the oven than not having time to get them out...

And for the ten next pages, Tai is not saying anything else than "Haha, here we go" :D
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I love Claire's eyes in the last panel.
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Are there weed vaping rigs that look like that? I've only seen the "pen" type. That looks like a typical nicotine vaping rig.
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If you can inhale something through it, weed going into it is possible. And I have seen every kind of vape used for weed.
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If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.
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And that goes double for devices whose specific purpose is generating enough heat to vaporise stuff.
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If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.

The vape pens are mostly incredibly weak. The mid-size ones are likely to be the ones that would be the biggest concern as far as the combination of compact and powerful.
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Hmm, I just ordered a vape this week. Hope I'm not getting the 7100...we live in a high fire risk zone already!
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Wow. The only time I’ve been that high was after four massive gravity bong hits.

I could feel my individual teeth after that.
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Just a side remark: better not having time to get cookies in the oven than not having time to get them out...

And for the ten next pages, Tai is not saying anything else than "Haha, here we go" :D
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Reminds me of the first time I smoked cannabis (resin, it's the easiest stuff to find, here in France), in the 90s. We were four friends and I was the only one who hadn't tried it yet. One of them had rolled two spliffs, and we sat  in circle in the grass like real hippies. When we were done, I was completely stoned. And worst, when we got up, I got up too fast, and the blood retired from my brain. The way I then collapsed against a nearby wall was the main joke for weeks after that... :D
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I kinda get the feeling this will be a BAD trip. Hope I'm wrong...

I'm guessing you're using the term "trip" liberally.  I usually reserve the term for hallucinogens (LSD, magic mushrooms, etc).  Marijuana isn't an hallucinogen, but the seriously high doses available through vaping oil can have weird effects.  And there was a spate for a while of some marijuana being laced with other drugs, which just fucks everything up.  I don't know how likely it is that a cannabis oil product would be laced with anything else, and certainly not a legally available commercial product. 

However Claire is definitely heading to a new location! 

Yeah you are correct that any kind of experimentation with narcotics really should include at least one experienced user to act as a guide.

OK, Marijuana - in any form - is not a narcotic.  Narcotics are pain relievers that specifically target the opioid receptors in the nervous system for pain relief, and are addictive.  While marijuana can have a pain relieving effect, it's not a narcotic, and has been shown to be no more (physically) addictive than chips.  Psychological addiction is a different story, as it is with anything else. 

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I worked in a university library for several years while I was in college. Yes, these friend/coworker/boss relationships are accurate (at least compared to the experiences I had). I became close platonic friends with a boss. We roomed together after I quit, too...so if you want to talk about blurred boundaries and working relationships there you go.

I actually miss that place to the point I'd consider going back to work at a library even though it is out of my field, and I'd make a fraction of my current earnings. It was like a family with few of the vices and dysfunctionality most families have, and it had good benefits, too, between healthcare and tuition remission. People were professional, but their personalities were casual. We were just a bunch of nerds who loved to read, help people, and maybe enjoyed categorizing things as well. Of course, I'm sure not every library is like that, but when I see Marten, Tai, and Claire working together, it brings me back fond memories.
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Since neither Claire nor Magustus* have voiced any objections to Tai's presence - indeed, the seem very glad she's joined them - Tai cannot have transgressed.  No one else has any standing to object.  It's not unlike certain church-goers objecting to the activities of consenting adults out of public view.  It's none of their God damned business.

On the other hand, chocolate chip cookies are usually baked at 350°F/177°C and will certainly generate copious quantities of smoke if left in too long.  Further, the inhalation of the products of combustion of Nature's Leaf is alleged to have a marked effect upon the individual's perception of time (or so I'm told).  Concern about an excess of cookie fumes engendering a fire service response is thoroughly justified.


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Further, the inhalation of the products of combustion of Nature's Leaf is alleged to have a marked effect upon the individual's perception of time (or so I'm told).  Concern about an excess of cookie fumes engendering a fire service response is thoroughly justified.
This is what timers are for, even when not under the influence of any sort of leaf.
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OK, Marijuana - in any form - is not a narcotic.  Narcotics are pain relievers that specifically target the opioid receptors in the nervous system for pain relief, and are addictive.  While marijuana can have a pain relieving effect, it's not a narcotic, and has been shown to be no more (physically) addictive than chips.  Psychological addiction is a different story, as it is with anything else. 

Your definition of narcotic is not the only definition, or even the only right definition (or even necessarily an accurate definition). Broadly defined, a narcotic is any drug or substance affecting mood or behavior that is used for non-medical purposes. Thus, Marijuana is a narcotic, but so is Caffeine.

Legally, Marijuana is classified as a narcotic under the "Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs" treaty of 1961. Alongside opioids, synthetic opiods, and other drugs such as cocaine.

In its original form, a narcotic was a substance that induced sleep (from the Greek for "To Make Numb"). Association with opioids came later.
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As a grunt in the medical community, though, I can say it's certainly the way doctors use it nowadays, right down to the fact that our allergy listing (which has categories for macrolides, cillins, benzos, statins, triptans, NSAIDs, what-have-you) doesn't even have a category for "opioids" - it's "narcotics."
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Medical definition is not the sole definition, however. Or even necessarily the most common. Or the definition used for legal purposes.

The bane of language is that there's a bunch of different groups all using the same word differently.
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If I were to partake (I don't), I think I'd prefer something that big over those small pen type models. Our obsession with cramming powerful batteries into tighter and tighter spaces is nothing but trouble.

Not so - unless we then decide to carry around those small powerful batteries on our bodies, preferably right next to major bloodvessels and/or sensitive organs in order to maximise hazard and distress in the event of catastrophic failure.

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