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Just what does Beeptrice do?

Career adviser at RREB (Reliable Robot Employment Bureau)
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Roko's latest blind date (because all things are possible!)
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A stand-up comedienne looking for a 'straight bot' partner; Roko applied
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Manager at a charity of some sort
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Manager at a volunteer-operated citizens' advice bureau
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She's a random synthetic who wandered into Roko's cubicle
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An agent of SpookyBot
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Corpse Witch's compiling directory-sister, out for revenge
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A Virtual Presence agent being remotely controlled by Beatrice Chatham
- 2 (5.4%)
Other (please specify in a comment)
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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)  (Read 22292 times)

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Okay, we have a new character so that allows us to wildly speculate, at least until Jeph clears up the mystery. Just who is she?

My guess, based on her very first appearance is that she's a careers adviser. Basically, she's just finished taking Roko's details and is now looking for a good job placement. The flustered fascination with human sexuality and whether Roko might possibly have a similar interest is just a personal quirk, a bit like May's detached hilarity about the kinks some humans have! :laugh:

That said, I can't help but be fascinated by the idea that she isn't a synthetic at all but is, instead, something Beatrice Chatham is using in an attempt to get 'in' with Hannelore again. Beatrice... Beeptrice? You have to admit that it makes some sense. First step is to establish herself as someone that Hannelore, with her interest in improving the lot of the average synthetic, may yet encounter!

Tin-Foil Hatting aside, I'm expecting this week to be more Beeptrice/Roko double-act, probably with lots of flustered double-entrendres!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 02 Dec 2018, 15:03 »

Let's agree to spell Beepatrice the same way Jeph does...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 02 Dec 2018, 17:34 »

Did you really not read #3883 panel one as Beepatrice offering Roko a job?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 02 Dec 2018, 17:52 »

Judging from that panel, I’d say Beepatrice runs a nonprofit and she’s offering Roko a job. What said nonprofit does is yet to be revealed. Hopefully nothing involving baked goods of any kind.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 02 Dec 2018, 17:58 »

Or hydraulic presses.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 02 Dec 2018, 19:23 »

i am enjoying the reference-yet-not to Alice Grove!!  That is, it was left unrevealed what the circumstances of the moon were that would have put into motion the specific event within the story. 

Beepatrice's idea would certainly fit, but, it could have also been something entirely different!  Overall I am fond of the idea that there are now theories and perhaps unusual aspects of the moon in both of Jeph's multiverses!!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 02 Dec 2018, 20:26 »

It would be cool if she was somehow related to Corpse Witch, but I think she's just a charity manager. 

i am enjoying the reference-yet-not to Alice Grove!!  That is, it was left unrevealed what the circumstances of the moon were that would have put into motion the specific event within the story. 

Beepatrice's idea would certainly fit, but, it could have also been something entirely different!  Overall I am fond of the idea that there are now theories and perhaps unusual aspects of the moon in both of Jeph's multiverses!!


Agreed.  I miss that strip.  I still keep my eyes peeled for background characters that look like Ardent and Gavia.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 02 Dec 2018, 20:40 »

I take it that by "dark side" Beepatrice actually means the far side of the Moon, the hemisphere that always faces away from Earth. There is no "dark side" of the Moon; the entire satellite experiences a normal day/night cycle. </ObPedant>
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 02 Dec 2018, 22:46 »

Technically, the dark side of the moon is the side currently facing away from the sun...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 02 Dec 2018, 23:13 »

The purpose of today's strip appears to be to remind Roko that everyone has their own little strange quirks and that you therefore should be less hasty to consider yourself 'weird' in any way. I'm guessing Jeph is saying that she should be less harsh on herself.

Interestingly, there really is a conspiracy theory like the one Beeptrice describes. Robert Bigelow, the space entrepreneur and casino owner strongly subscribes to it. He wants to build a space station in lunar orbit just to prove it.

I take it that by "dark side" Beepatrice actually means the far side of the Moon, the hemisphere that always faces away from Earth. There is no "dark side" of the Moon; the entire satellite experiences a normal day/night cycle. </ObPedant>

The term 'dark side' to refer to the side of the Moon that always points away from Earth is firmly rooted in popular culture, having appeared in both music and film.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 03 Dec 2018, 00:01 »

There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it’s all dark...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 03 Dec 2018, 01:07 »

Yeah, don't be silly, Roko!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 03 Dec 2018, 01:13 »

Let's agree to spell Beepatrice the same way Jeph does...

Would you believe that I've never been aware of that 'a' after 'Beep' before this morning?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 03 Dec 2018, 04:34 »

I wonder how the moon-hoaxheads would do in the QCVerse, in which it seems that there is a much larger human (including AI friends) presence on the moon than there is in our own.

Perhaps Punchbot could contract himself out to Buzz Aldrin for dealing with the Bart Sibrels of the QCVerse.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 03 Dec 2018, 05:36 »

There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it’s all dark...
There is no dark side of the moon. It's just a conspiracy by the CIA to sell more Pink Floyd albums.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 03 Dec 2018, 06:26 »

And now we know what the nonprofit agency does. “Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency”. Robo-dog rescue!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:19 »

And now we know what the nonprofit agency does. “Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency”. Robo-dog rescue!

Saw the sign too. Now I'm wondering if this is about AI pets that can be adopted by humans, or about helping AIs in their quest to adopt pets (e.g. spookybot with her non-AI dogs)?
I imagine it's mostly about the latter, since I can envision difficulties for AIs if they decide they'd like to adopt a cat or dog in terms of humans not accepting AIs as suitable for pet adoption.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:33 »

Technically, the dark side of the moon is the side currently facing away from the sun...
...which is not a constant, but always changing, so one cannot build a base "on the dark side" and expect it to stay there.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #18 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:35 »


I take it that by "dark side" Beepatrice actually means the far side of the Moon, the hemisphere that always faces away from Earth. There is no "dark side" of the Moon; the entire satellite experiences a normal day/night cycle. </ObPedant>

The term 'dark side' to refer to the side of the Moon that always points away from Earth is firmly rooted in popular culture, having appeared in both music and film.
But it's incorrect and inaccurate.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #19 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:39 »

Saw the sign too. Now I'm wondering if this is about AI pets that can be adopted by humans, or about helping AIs in their quest to adopt pets (e.g. spookybot with her non-AI dogs)?
Spookybot appear to use "they/them" pronouns and speak about themselves in the first-person as "we". In appearance they remind me of the androgynous Desire of the Endless, from Neil Gaiman's The Sandman comic books.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:41 »


I take it that by "dark side" Beepatrice actually means the far side of the Moon, the hemisphere that always faces away from Earth. There is no "dark side" of the Moon; the entire satellite experiences a normal day/night cycle. </ObPedant>

The term 'dark side' to refer to the side of the Moon that always points away from Earth is firmly rooted in popular culture, having appeared in both music and film.

But it's incorrect and inaccurate.

That doesn't matter, I'm afraid. 'Common usage' rules here and that means it is going to be used in casual discussion and is be understood because most people neither know about nor care about the more accurate terms.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 03 Dec 2018, 07:48 »

And now we know what the nonprofit agency does. “Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency”. Robo-dog rescue!

Saw the sign too. Now I'm wondering if this is about AI pets that can be adopted by humans, or about helping AIs in their quest to adopt pets (e.g. spookybot with her non-AI dogs)?
I imagine it's mostly about the latter, since I can envision difficulties for AIs if they decide they'd like to adopt a cat or dog in terms of humans not accepting AIs as suitable for pet adoption.

Well, since in the QCverse AIs have the same rights as humans (at least in the US, by constitutional amendment), refusing to allow an AI to adopt a pet would probably be comparable to refusing to allow an Asian or a Muslim or a trans person to adopt a pet. In other words, it would result in a massive amount of bad publicity and a likely civil rights lawsuit.

No, I imagine something quite different. I suspect that there was a craze for AI pets some years ago that faded just as a massive number of AI pet models hit the market. So there are lots of robot dogs and cats and hedgehogs and humpback whales with no homes, and Uncanine Valley tries to find suitable companions (organic or AI) for them.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 03 Dec 2018, 09:01 »

If this is about robotic pets, I wonder if these would be sentient pets?

Given the fact that it is not completely understood how sentience arises, would it even be possible to create a pet-like sentience in-universe? Or is the best they can do a dog that is simply programmed to behave as a biologic dog but without being sentient?

Also, if there are sentient AI pets, this agency where Roko applied could also be more like a matching service. Think of the service that Marten used to get matched with a companion AI. This "Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency” could be a similar service but for matching companion AI pets with the person.

 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 03 Dec 2018, 09:06 »

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The phrase “dark side of the moon” has nothing to do with lighting - it isn’t describing the far side as unlit. The “dark” refers to the unknown and unexplored (and in some ways unreachable).  It is the same sense as “darkest Africa” was used in “colonial era” literature- it was the great mysterious unknown.  This is the s nose it is used in the title of the Pink Floyd album, which is an exploration of the unknown of madness.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #24 on: 03 Dec 2018, 09:13 »

And now we know what the nonprofit agency does. “Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency”. Robo-dog rescue!

And now, it turns out Cosmo is a robot...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 03 Dec 2018, 09:36 »

Do android borzoi dream of electric wolves?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 03 Dec 2018, 13:34 »

If we're going to get Floyd I am going to go full Floyd if you aren't all careful

Dark Side was on the Billboard 200 for something like 14 years. That means by the time it left the charts, the band had released four more albums, had a break-up/ hiatus and were about to release another.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 03 Dec 2018, 16:44 »

Wouldn't Earthlings be well beyond landing stuff on the moon in the QC universe?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #28 on: 03 Dec 2018, 17:06 »

If a private citizen can own a space station then we know the QC world space program is way ahead of ours.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 03 Dec 2018, 18:36 »

Comic’s up. Fairy girl is back!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #30 on: 03 Dec 2018, 19:04 »

Everyone in Northampton is a tad strange.  Except, ironically, Marten Reed.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #31 on: 03 Dec 2018, 20:01 »

Everyone in Northampton is a tad strange.  Except, ironically, Marten Reed.
I dunno. Claire Augustus has always seemed pretty culturally beige to me. (Yes, she's trans. What of it? That's not strange.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 03 Dec 2018, 20:24 »

Define "strange."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #33 on: 03 Dec 2018, 20:40 »

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« Reply #34 on: 03 Dec 2018, 20:45 »

Apparently, they are swegways. Or hoverboards. Or self-balancing scooters.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 03 Dec 2018, 23:02 »

Careful Roko you might get knocked over by Emily in a moment.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #36 on: 03 Dec 2018, 23:18 »

Today's strip reminds us of an important lesson: Some belief systems have a tendency to re-organise the universe around the believer. What most would perceive as a bug, most perceive as just another detail in the tapestry of their reality. What it doesn't and never does is disprove said belief system!

Meanwhile... Well, what is 'normal' anyway, Roko? We're all normal in our own eyes. I'm sure that Fairy Girl considers herself normal too. The only Northamptonite who has, to my knowledge, raised the 'weird and proud' flag is Emily and she isn't on any known bell curve anyway! Still, this does suggest that this is something Jeph is trying to emphasise with Roko: Yes, she has a kink but, that aside, you'd be surprised how average she is in most ways!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #37 on: 03 Dec 2018, 23:23 »

And now we know what the nonprofit agency does. “Uncanine Valley Robotic Pet Adoption Agency”. Robo-dog rescue!
It didn't look to me as if that sign was for the place at which Roko had been interviewing; it looks like another office on the same floor, on the other side of the lift.
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« Reply #38 on: 04 Dec 2018, 00:50 »

Everyone in Northampton is a tad strange.  Except, ironically, Marten Reed.

hmmm, sounds about right from the writings of Lovecraft. Although I did expected 'a tad strange' to be less amusing and more frighting.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #39 on: 04 Dec 2018, 01:06 »

Why is normality so important?

Anyway, you can consider somebody as "normal" only as long as you don't really know them. That's when you understand they are as strange and far from the "norm" than anyone else. Normality is only an appearance.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #40 on: 04 Dec 2018, 06:28 »

Why is normality so important?

We want, even need, a baseline from which to measure the world, and this need emerges very early in our lives, probably about the time we realize there are other families besides our own, and that they don't all do everything the way we do.  By the time we're mature enough to process that fact (a point some people never do reach) it's so ingrained that we find it difficult to purge it from our language.

"They say you're different."

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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #41 on: 04 Dec 2018, 06:30 »

IOW - individuality is difference.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 04 Dec 2018, 06:35 »

Why is normality so important?

Anyway, you can consider somebody as "normal" only as long as you don't really know them. That's when you understand they are as strange and far from the "norm" than anyone else. Normality is only an appearance.

I dunno, but who claims/claimed normality is important?
Besides being pretty much undefinable, it also seems extremely unimportant to me to be considered 'normal' (even though I probably am by pretty much everyone).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #43 on: 04 Dec 2018, 07:42 »

"Beepatrice."  Is Jeph telling us the honey-colored she-bot is a sweetie?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #44 on: 04 Dec 2018, 08:43 »

I'm totally feeling ya, Roko. I am part of a lifestyle choice that works really, really well for my family and I have about 3-4 very different hobbies (if you include my career choice). I currently have no friends who share my lifestyle choice who I consider healthy/balanced (to the point I am not spending time with others who share my lifestyle—beyond my family), and I've yet to meet any non "crazy" people who share my hobbies (to be fair, I'm not super active in clubs right now).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #45 on: 04 Dec 2018, 10:13 »

nor·mal  /ˈnôrməl/  adjective

    1. adjective     conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. the usual, average, or typical state or condition.
    2. Technical     (of a line, ray, or other linear feature) intersecting a given line or surface at right angles.
    3. Medicine     (of a salt solution) containing the same salt concentration as the blood. dated•Chemistry (of a solution) containing one gram-equivalent of solute per liter.
    4. Geology     denoting a fault or faulting in which a relative downward movement occurred in the strata situated on the upper side of the fault plane.

So when it comes to normal in my version of the world as I know it, #1 applies to nearly everything I work with yet I personally am not part of that superset described as "normal".

As for strangeness, (S) as a property of personalities, expressed as a quantum number, for describing the decay of a personality in strong social interactions which occur in a short period of time.
The strangeness of a personality is defined as:      S = − ( n s − n s- )

I think I got that right or did I get that mixed up with something else again?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 04 Dec 2018, 11:17 »

    3. Medicine     (of a salt solution) containing the same salt concentration as the blood. dated•Chemistry (of a solution) containing one gram-equivalent of solute per liter.

I hope the conflicting Medical and Chemical definitions don't come into contact...

The strangeness of a personality is defined as:      S = − ( n s − n s- )

I think of the opposite of strange as being ordinary.  I am content to be ordinary, even if not normal.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 04 Dec 2018, 12:39 »

In quantum physics "strangeness" is used to describe some aspect of quarks, along with "charm".  It seems they ran out of more ...umm "normal" descriptions like spin, polarity, handedness, etc. quite a while ago, and they've been getting weirder and weirder ever since.  I vaguely recall seeing and album cover with the title "Quark Strangeness and Charm"  maybe by Tangerine Dream?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #48 on: 04 Dec 2018, 12:46 »

Oh, I know about quarks, don't you worry; though they were still only theoretical when I was doing the materials part of my degree...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 04 Dec 2018, 13:04 »

I vaguely recall seeing and album cover with the title "Quark Strangeness and Charm"  maybe by Tangerine Dream?
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