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Just what does Beeptrice do?

Career adviser at RREB (Reliable Robot Employment Bureau)
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Roko's latest blind date (because all things are possible!)
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A stand-up comedienne looking for a 'straight bot' partner; Roko applied
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Manager at a charity of some sort
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Manager at a volunteer-operated citizens' advice bureau
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She's a random synthetic who wandered into Roko's cubicle
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An agent of SpookyBot
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Corpse Witch's compiling directory-sister, out for revenge
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A Virtual Presence agent being remotely controlled by Beatrice Chatham
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Other (please specify in a comment)
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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)  (Read 2527 times)

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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #50 on: 04 Dec 2018, 14:32 »

I vaguely recall seeing and album cover with the title "Quark Strangeness and Charm"  maybe by Tangerine Dream?
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« Reply #51 on: 04 Dec 2018, 16:02 »

I vaguely recall seeing and album cover with the title "Quark Strangeness and Charm"  maybe by Tangerine Dream?
Hawkwind.

And suddenly you became my favourite poster whose first name I don't know!
Stephen (stePH to friends). Encantado.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #52 on: 04 Dec 2018, 16:15 »

The word "normal" has at least eight different precise definitions in mathematics, depending on which branch of math is involved. Basically, it means "we like objects that have this property".
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #53 on: 04 Dec 2018, 16:29 »

Perpendicular objects are pretty cool, I suppose.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #54 on: 04 Dec 2018, 16:36 »

They make calculations a lot easier. Gram-Schmidt, anyone?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #55 on: 04 Dec 2018, 17:28 »

Yes, Gram Schmidt is lovely. She gave me cookies when I was young.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #56 on: 04 Dec 2018, 18:20 »

"The only normal" in any given environment would be, for that environment, the least normal.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #57 on: 04 Dec 2018, 19:48 »

There's really no such thing as "normal" except in the most trivial of situations. The proper term is "cotangent bundle".
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #58 on: 04 Dec 2018, 19:55 »

First you must answer the Riddle of Bread. Contemplate this on the Oven of Woe.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #59 on: 04 Dec 2018, 19:56 »

I think this is the beginning of a beautiful breadship.  Also, I still know absolutely nothing about the fairy girl and that's just the way I like it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #60 on: 04 Dec 2018, 23:10 »

I suspect that Elliott has promised Roko entry into Paradise and, understandably, she's grabbing at it with both hands and her teeth. Meanwhile, it seems to Elliott's fate to be associated with women who have strong feelings about which he is baffled or even ignorant!

I have a funny mental image of Elliott calling Roko 'my Padawan'.

That aside, if Jim does decide to hire Roko, I think that we can confidently anticipate several things:
  • More interaction for her with Clinton and Brun;
  • Roko finally finding out what human abs look like;
  • Melon saying: "What, you didn't know the bread guy lives next door to you?"
  • Renee not even bothering to resist the temptation to kink-shame Roko for her own amusement;
  • Elliott and Roko working together making a batch of bread, throwing flour at each other in a playful way and this leading to other things (the longevity and intensity of which depending on where their feelings are going).
All that is medium- to long-term, IMO. In the short-term, I'm expecting us to do a lot more Roko establishing strips. You see, I'm getting the feeling that Jeph may have decided to make Roko his new primary character and we're going to be following her path through life to some degree of a settled existence, much as we have with Marten and Faye. If I'm right about this, then Melon is going to be the Hannelore equivalent in some ways.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #61 on: 05 Dec 2018, 00:56 »

I think taking your hobby/fetish and making it your job is a mistake.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #62 on: 05 Dec 2018, 01:00 »

It served me well throughout my career.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #63 on: 05 Dec 2018, 01:13 »

And now I want bread. But it's just gone 5pm so the bakery in the shops across the road has probably closed. Plus I'd have to deal with CBD rush hour traffic to get to it.

... still contemplating going there anyway, just in case
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #64 on: 05 Dec 2018, 07:22 »

And now I want bread. But it's just gone 5pm so the bakery in the shops across the road has probably closed. Plus I'd have to deal with CBD rush hour traffic to get to it.
There's a rush of people driving out to buy cannabidiol? Where do you live?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #65 on: 05 Dec 2018, 09:36 »

Comicís up. Fairy girl is back!
Seems to have lost her wings... had that happened before?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #66 on: 05 Dec 2018, 09:53 »

It has not to my knowledge.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #67 on: 05 Dec 2018, 09:57 »

They are at the cleaners since they are dry-clean only.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #68 on: 05 Dec 2018, 09:58 »

Does anyone else think it's inappropriate of Roko to ask Elliot to mentor her in bread? I feel like she'd be making him a participant in her fetish without his consent. And if she actually takes a job at the bakery, then extend that to everyone else who works there and all the customers who come in. Like, there's a difference in my mind between just coming in to purchase bread vs "Tell me everything about this bread while I secretly get off on it."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #69 on: 05 Dec 2018, 10:11 »

Seems to have lost her wings... had that happened before?

Perhaps someone unrang a bell?

(OK, I admit that she's not an angel.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #70 on: 05 Dec 2018, 10:15 »

Worse and in addition to that, Elliott is bound to find out at some point which will put him in a position of non-consensual awkwardness.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #71 on: 05 Dec 2018, 10:27 »

Does anyone else think it's inappropriate of Roko to ask Elliot to mentor her in bread? I feel like she'd be making him a participant in her fetish without his consent. And if she actually takes a job at the bakery, then extend that to everyone else who works there and all the customers who come in. Like, there's a difference in my mind between just coming in to purchase bread vs "Tell me everything about this bread while I secretly get off on it."

I'm usually one to jump to the defense of characters that get thrown under the bus in the WCDT but I actually agree with you here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #72 on: 05 Dec 2018, 10:58 »

Might not be good to have such a distracting job, but if Roko loses an arm she can get it replaced.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #73 on: 05 Dec 2018, 12:25 »

Does anyone else think it's inappropriate of Roko to ask Elliot to mentor her in bread? I feel like she'd be making him a participant in her fetish without his consent. And if she actually takes a job at the bakery, then extend that to everyone else who works there and all the customers who come in. Like, there's a difference in my mind between just coming in to purchase bread vs "Tell me everything about this bread while I secretly get off on it."

I'm usually one to jump to the defense of characters that get thrown under the bus in the WCDT but I actually agree with you here.

In that case, I'm happy to step up to the plate.

I do not think that he'd be participating in her fetish any more than someone who was asked to teach someone how to maintain their vibrator.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #74 on: 05 Dec 2018, 12:41 »

Worse and in addition to that, Elliott is bound to find out at some point which will put him in a position of non-consensual awkwardness.
He already knows. Renee told him, the last time Roko was there.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #75 on: 05 Dec 2018, 13:24 »

I do not think that he'd be participating in her fetish any more than someone who was asked to teach someone how to maintain their vibrator.

To me, that's not the same thing. For one thing, if you're in the business of vibrator maintenance, you've signed up to be adjacent to people's sex lives in that capacity, whereas Elliot has not. For another, a vibrator is typically just a tool of sexual stimulation, not itself the object of a fetish. Most people wouldn't be getting sexual gratification from the explanation of how to maintain their vibrator, whereas Roko likely will get sexual gratification from learning the details of bread baking. She's asking Elliot to spend substantial one-on-one time providing her with what is essentially personalized pornography, potentially with the goal of working at the bakery and getting further sexual gratification from baking bread to serve to customers who also didn't sign up to feature in her floury sex fantasies. Maybe I'm oversensitive, but the idea makes me pretty uncomfortable.

I will say that I'd forgotten that Elliott knows about her fetish already. If he understands the full nature of what's happening here and is comfortable with it, and isn't just going along with it because he's a people pleaser, then Roko "apprenticing" herself to him would be fine in my book. Actually working at a bakery would still be pretty icky--unless it was one of those bakeries that specializes in humorous erotic designs, I guess?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #76 on: 05 Dec 2018, 17:59 »

The ethics of this are really interesting.

Should it matter to the customers whether she's In It For The Money, sexually turned on, or filled with pride of craftspersonship?

I think I could buy a pair of boots and not be squicked if I found out later that the bootmaker had a boot kink.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #77 on: 05 Dec 2018, 18:16 »

The ethics of this are really interesting.

Should it matter to the customers whether she's In It For The Money, sexually turned on, or filled with pride of craftspersonship?

I think I could buy a pair of boots and not be squicked if I found out later that the bootmaker had a boot kink.

Especially if they mark down their merchandise because they get their jollies making the boots.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #78 on: 05 Dec 2018, 18:40 »

I find Bubbles relatable right now, and for once that's NOT a good thing.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #79 on: 05 Dec 2018, 18:46 »

And it appears that Bubbles is getting an abject lesson on how to insert her foot into her mouth...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #80 on: 05 Dec 2018, 18:54 »

The fairy person likes bread the normal amount!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #81 on: 05 Dec 2018, 19:36 »

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« Reply #82 on: 05 Dec 2018, 19:39 »

And here Bubbles gets a practical lesson in "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
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« Reply #83 on: 05 Dec 2018, 21:06 »

And here Bubbles gets a practical lesson in "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
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« Reply #84 on: 05 Dec 2018, 21:08 »

Well, at least Bubbles is trying to rectify and apologize for her mistake.
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« Reply #85 on: 05 Dec 2018, 21:16 »

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« Reply #86 on: 05 Dec 2018, 21:33 »

I do not think that he'd be participating in her fetish any more than someone who was asked to teach someone how to maintain their vibrator.
For one thing, if you're in the business of vibrator maintenance, you've signed up to be adjacent to people's sex lives in that capacity, whereas Elliot has not.

What does "adjacent to people's sex lives" even mean?

Does, say, baking a wedding cake for a couple about to be married make you "adjacent to their sex lives?" Apparently, some do. I disagree with them.

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For another, a vibrator is typically just a tool of sexual stimulation, not itself the object of a fetish.

I suspected after I posted that someone would say that, even though it could well be the object of a fetish just the same as anything else would. Being an explicit sexual object doesn't prohibit it from being used as the object of some fetish. Regardless, substitute whichever mundane everyday object you like, if you prefer. It doesn't change my argument.
 
Anything anyone has ever manufactured could be a fetish for someone. There is no ethical issue.

I'm surprised no-one has brought up an ethical issue with Roko simply walking into the bakery and ordering loaves of bread without disclosing to the baker the purpose for which they are being purchased. Because the issue is the same.

I think I could buy a pair of boots and not be squicked if I found out later that the bootmaker had a boot kink.

If you are made squeamish by the thought that something you do in public might turn someone on, then walking out your front door could prove to be an insurmountable challenge.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #87 on: 05 Dec 2018, 22:03 »

There's a difference between purchasing goods to be used in whatever manner you deem appropriate (as long as it's not a well-known risk of being illegal, such as buying cough syrup to make meth) and taking a job to work with your fetish object around other people.  What you do in your own home is nobody's business but yours (again, as long as it's not illegal), but when you do things around other people, especially in a workplace, you need to be more careful.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #88 on: 05 Dec 2018, 22:05 »

And here Bubbles gets a practical lesson in "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

It's one of the less endearing Faye traits to pick up and I wonder if she would've said the same if she was in Bubbles' place. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #89 on: 05 Dec 2018, 23:09 »

I'm surprised no-one has brought up an ethical issue with Roko simply walking into the bakery and ordering loaves of bread without disclosing to the baker the purpose for which they are being purchased. Because the issue is the same.

I addressed exactly that question in my original post. It's one thing to walk in, buy the bread, go home and get sexual gratification from it in private. It's a completely different thing to ask another person to give you lessons in a topic that you find sexually gratifying, or to, as Penquin47 put it, "take a job to work with your fetish object around other people." It's a huge increase in the extent to which she's involving other people in her sex life.

Honestly, wouldn't you feel just a little skeeved out if someone came into your workplace and started breathlessly asking you weirdly specific details about your profession while squirming in their chair? Because that's where Roko seems to be headed. She asked Elliot about his relationship with bread specifically in the context of "maybe I should work in a bakery so I can get off on my job all day." She asked to be his apprentice because his reply made it sound like working with bread would amplify the pleasure she gets from her fetish. This is 100% about her sex life and she's making that Elliot's problem when he never asked her to. It's pretty much exactly as inappropriate as a lingerie fetishist trying to get a job at Victoria's Secret for fetish reasons.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #90 on: 05 Dec 2018, 23:20 »

I'm not sure it's fair of Bubbles to effectively blame Faye here. From what I've seen, Bubbles is quite good at cutting sarcasm all on her own even before she and Faye became friends; she's just started using it a lot more because she and Faye seem to use it as a flirtation method!

Still, Bubbles has her own ways and her being reduced to a flustered and near-babbled apology when she realises that she's actually offended Roko is nicely in character.
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What ethical issue is there?  She's [assumeably] paying the bakery for their services, and what she plans to do with the bread isn't going to harm others, so it's not the bakery's business to know what she intends to do with it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #92 on: 06 Dec 2018, 01:04 »

Ah, poor Bubbles, alas, I know this so well...

Trying to joke like others do all the time, only to hit the one perfect opportunity where joking is not the right thing to do.

It must be wonderful to have a real and functional 'theory of mind'
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #93 on: 06 Dec 2018, 01:41 »


What...
What's happened to Bubble's head?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #94 on: 06 Dec 2018, 01:54 »

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I'm surprised no-one has brought up an ethical issue with Roko simply walking into the bakery and ordering loaves of bread without disclosing to the baker the purpose for which they are being purchased. Because the issue is the same.
What ethical issue is there?  She's [assumeably] paying the bakery for their services, and what she plans to do with the bread isn't going to harm others, so it's not the bakery's business to know what she intends to do with it.

There is none, that is what I am saying.  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #95 on: 06 Dec 2018, 04:24 »

I think that Bubbles was perfectly in the right to lay down the burn she got, based on the information she had access to - She hasn't interracted with Roko since Spookybot, really - but Roko also deserved and was entitled to the apology.

Remember, Roko's existential crisis came from what a shitty position she put Bubbles in. The fact that she's fixing that now doesn't change that's what Bubbles remembers her for, just because we know what Roko's been doing. Fourth wall.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #96 on: 06 Dec 2018, 05:23 »

I think we're in for some Breadicorn... Uniloaf... Baguettecorn... Bumnicorn!

Anyways, what if her so called bread fetish is something completely mundane for humans like feeling pleasure for "pretend eating" or even smelling it like the tea thing? Just because she considers it a fetish, it doesn't necessarily need to be something weird, remember she's an AI and things humans consider normal like eating is not to them!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #97 on: 06 Dec 2018, 05:57 »

I think that Bubbles was perfectly in the right to lay down the burn she got, based on the information she had access to - She hasn't interracted with Roko since Spookybot, really - but Roko also deserved and was entitled to the apology.

Remember, Roko's existential crisis came from what a shitty position she put Bubbles in. The fact that she's fixing that now doesn't change that's what Bubbles remembers her for, just because we know what Roko's been doing. Fourth wall.

I think 'entitlements' to throw burns at people is not really a thing - I think it's a thing where you sort of need 'permission' of some sorts.
Basically either have them do the same to you and always start with something that is obviously quite harmless - and take direction from there - don't start with something that most people will take personally.
Starting with a burn on the topic of 'you suck at your work' is dangerous territory with a lot of people.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #98 on: 06 Dec 2018, 06:02 »

Anyways, what if her so called bread fetish is something completely mundane for humans like feeling pleasure for "pretend eating" or even smelling it like the tea thing?

There was a Patreon-only strip that explained her attraction to bread:

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So, yeah, not something that a vanilla guy like me would 'get' but hardly bizarre to the point of incomprehensibility!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3886 - 3890 (3rd - 7th December 2018)
« Reply #99 on: 06 Dec 2018, 06:07 »

I vaguely recall seeing and album cover with the title "Quark Strangeness and Charm"  maybe by Tangerine Dream?
Hawkwind.

Michael Moorcock performed with them, didn't he?
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