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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #50 on: 16 Oct 2019, 06:22 »

I can safely testify that interacting with your 'old self' is extremely therapeutic.

After ignoring a nasty experience at age 5 for many years...

<<personal life falling apart, leading to a nasty divorce>>

I deliberately went looking for my younger self in The Place Where Dreams Are Made.

Adult me found and comforted young me. We 'discussed' a few things.

And I FINALLY started healing from a 38 year-old wound!

Roko has an excellent opportunity for (closure?) on the loss of her old body. Hopefully, leading to better acceptance (integration?) with the new one.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #51 on: 16 Oct 2019, 06:55 »

Well Jeph, maybe you can answer whether Androids dream of electric sheep?

The answer appears to be: At least not yet. At least not Roko.

Also, I sometimes wish I could interact with my younger self. That dude needed a good slappin'. Don't know if it would have done any good, though.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #52 on: 16 Oct 2019, 07:01 »

[...] I'm disappointed by the absence of electric sheep though...

Not yet, probably later. I want to believe JJ won't pass up the chance of electric sheep.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #53 on: 16 Oct 2019, 08:05 »

This seems like a storyline that would be more apropos in December.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #54 on: 16 Oct 2019, 08:46 »

This seems like a storyline that would be more apropos in December.
A CHRISTMAS ROBO-CAROL

GHOST 1: “I am the ghost of your old body!”

GHOST 2: “And I am the ghost of your current body!”

ROKO: “Wait, shouldn’t I be the ghost of my current body?”

GHOST 2: “You’re overanalyzing. Just go with it, okay?”

ROKO: (sigh) “All right. I guess that makes you...”

PINTSIZE: “The ghost of your future body!”

GHOST 3: “No, he isn’t. Who the fuck let his perverted ass in here?”

GHOST 1: “Sorry, that was me. I’m doing a whole bread-fetish-as-metaphor-for-commitment-issues thing and I need him to toss some rolls at her.”

GHOST 3: “Well, keep him under control, will you? Jesus, this dream is such a shitshow.”

ROKO: “Should I even ask why you look like May?”

GHOST 3: “Manifestation of anxiety about your whole life going even further down the fucking toilet. Try to keep up.”

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #55 on: 16 Oct 2019, 17:41 »

Am I the only one that is wondering where Yay Newfriend's seam went?  Did they get a new body upgrade after they gave away their billions of dollars? Or did JJ just forget their lines?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #56 on: 16 Oct 2019, 18:21 »

Jeph's favorite color is either pink or grey, I'm not sure which.

I don't think it's his favorite color he's talking about. We're inside Roko's dream, and clearly pink is Roko's favorite color.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #57 on: 16 Oct 2019, 18:29 »

New comic, and...

This seems like a storyline that would be more apropos in December.
A CHRISTMAS ROBO-CAROL

GHOST 1: “I am the ghost of your old body!”

GHOST 2: “And I am the ghost of your current body!”

ROKO: “Wait, shouldn’t I be the ghost of my current body?”

GHOST 2: “You’re overanalyzing. Just go with it, okay?”

ROKO: (sigh) “All right. I guess that makes you...”

PINTSIZE: “The ghost of your future body!”

GHOST 3: “No, he isn’t. Who the fuck let his perverted ass in here?”

GHOST 1: “Sorry, that was me. I’m doing a whole bread-fetish-as-metaphor-for-commitment-issues thing and I need him to toss some rolls at her.”

GHOST 3: “Well, keep him under control, will you? Jesus, this dream is such a shitshow.”

ROKO: “Should I even ask why you look like May?”

GHOST 3: “Manifestation of anxiety about your whole life going even further down the fucking toilet. Try to keep up.”
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #58 on: 16 Oct 2019, 18:32 »

"Look, I'm a product of your subconscious. Don't blame me for this."

We've all been there, Roko, we've all been there. I'm disappointed by the absence of electric sheep though...

Obligatory "Down on the Electronic Farm" riff...
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #59 on: 16 Oct 2019, 19:29 »

Well, Jeph seems to be having fun at least.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #60 on: 16 Oct 2019, 19:34 »

Also, I sometimes wish I could interact with my younger self. That dude needed a good slappin'. Don't know if it would have done any good, though.
I wonder how many of us DON'T identify with this statement. I'm certainly not among them.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #61 on: 16 Oct 2019, 19:39 »

'Old Body' ghost reminds me of May, amusingly enough.

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #62 on: 16 Oct 2019, 20:56 »

This seems like a storyline that would be more apropos in December.
Perhaps.
But ghosts are still appropriate for October, too.

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #63 on: 16 Oct 2019, 21:45 »

Well, the angry toaster chasing down the loaf of bread makes sense (at least for a dream of Roko's), but why is that bird eating Pintsize? 



(I know, I know, "Why not?"...)
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #64 on: 16 Oct 2019, 22:02 »

Well, the angry toaster chasing down the loaf of bread makes sense (at least for a dream of Roko's), but why is that bird eating Pintsize? 



(I know, I know, "Why not?"...)
He deserves it.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #65 on: 16 Oct 2019, 22:04 »

The bird? Yeah, probably.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #66 on: 16 Oct 2019, 22:32 »

Jeph's favorite color is either pink or grey, I'm not sure which.
Clearly he needs a pet galah.

Am I the only one that is wondering where Yay Newfriend's seam went?  Did they get a new body upgrade after they gave away their billions of dollars? Or did JJ just forget their lines?
Maybe some of their bodies have a neck seam and others don't!
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #67 on: 16 Oct 2019, 22:53 »

Well, the angry toaster chasing down the loaf of bread makes sense (at least for a dream of Roko's), but why is that bird eating Pintsize? 



(I know, I know, "Why not?"...)


But why is there a giant Pintsize head instead of a sun? What creeps me out more is the hat.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #68 on: 16 Oct 2019, 23:16 »

Today, Roko learns something that I suspect all sapient creatures should be ready to admit to themselves: That the inside of their heads is a strange, strange place. It is filled with strange sights and strange experiences only some of which may have even the most vague symbolic meaning.

And, for some reason, is taking place on the Windows XP setup screen, as far as I can tell from panel 4.

'Old Body' ghost reminds me of May, amusingly enough.

I think that the thing Roko is worrying about is how the degree to which they're behaving like Melon. Just how much of her desperately wants to be as carefree as the world's most random Synthetic?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #69 on: 17 Oct 2019, 00:05 »

And, for some reason, is taking place on the Windows XP setup screen, as far as I can tell from panel 4.



Took me a while to realise why it felt so familiar. The color shift didn't help though, but hey, it's a dream!


'Old Body' ghost reminds me of May, amusingly enough.

I think that the thing Roko is worrying about is how the degree to which they're behaving like Melon. Just how much of her desperately wants to be as carefree as the world's most random Synthetic?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #70 on: 17 Oct 2019, 01:47 »

New comic, and...

This seems like a storyline that would be more apropos in December.
A CHRISTMAS ROBO-CAROL

GHOST 1: “I am the ghost of your old body!”

GHOST 2: “And I am the ghost of your current body!”

ROKO: “Wait, shouldn’t I be the ghost of my current body?”

GHOST 2: “You’re overanalyzing. Just go with it, okay?”

ROKO: (sigh) “All right. I guess that makes you...”

PINTSIZE: “The ghost of your future body!”

GHOST 3: “No, he isn’t. Who the fuck let his perverted ass in here?”

GHOST 1: “Sorry, that was me. I’m doing a whole bread-fetish-as-metaphor-for-commitment-issues thing and I need him to toss some rolls at her.”

GHOST 3: “Well, keep him under control, will you? Jesus, this dream is such a shitshow.”

ROKO: “Should I even ask why you look like May?”

GHOST 3: “Manifestation of anxiety about your whole life going even further down the fucking toilet. Try to keep up.”
Are you a wizard?
I’m not on Patreon so I hadn’t seen today’s comic when I did my little riff on A Christmas Carol, so... maybe?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #71 on: 17 Oct 2019, 04:37 »

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #72 on: 17 Oct 2019, 05:03 »

Somewhere, out there, on that pink horizon...

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #73 on: 17 Oct 2019, 05:05 »

why is that bird eating Pintsize? 
That bird looks remarkably like a low-res Yelling Bird.   :evil:
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #74 on: 17 Oct 2019, 05:12 »

But why is there a giant Pintsize head instead of a sun? What creeps me out more is the hat.
I know, but who ya gonna call?
And do they have sufficient proton packs and containment units to hold the sun?
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« Reply #75 on: 17 Oct 2019, 05:39 »

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Am I the only one that is wondering where Yay Newfriend's seam went?  Did they get a new body upgrade after they gave away their billions of dollars? Or did JJ just forget their lines?
Maybe some of their bodies have a neck seam and others don't!
Compare Roko's ghost-of-the-present with Roko in her new body in 4072,  I'm thinking Jeph just missed a few necklines.  But maybe that's just the new modelsheet and deliberate?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #76 on: 17 Oct 2019, 07:31 »

why is that bird eating Pintsize? 
That bird looks remarkably like a low-res Yelling Bird.   :evil:
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It also looks remarkably like a Porygon2, the Virtual Pokémon.
 It evolves when trading (or transfering) the blockier Porygon (Itself a sort of AI) to a new storage solution(a trainer is sort of like a chassis?) while holding the [Up-grade] item... If it were a PorygonZ, i'd be worried, as that implies Roko brought some Dubious data with her.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #77 on: 17 Oct 2019, 08:51 »

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #78 on: 17 Oct 2019, 12:30 »

Compare Roko's ghost-of-the-present with Roko in her new body in 4072,  I'm thinking Jeph just missed a few necklines.  But maybe that's just the new modelsheet and deliberate?

Maybe Yay's lack of neck-seam was deliberate as well, then.  New model of robot body, perhaps something Yay's been working on...

The new ghost could be her future body...   One way that Yay could help Roko without meddling with her mind would be to meddle with her body instead - use whatever resources Yay has to fabricate new bodies, and build a customized one for Roko that has been custom-tuned to "fit" right.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #79 on: 17 Oct 2019, 16:53 »

And, for some reason, is taking place on the Windows XP setup screen, as far as I can tell from panel 4.
I bothered logging in only to cite this same observation. It was more a "hey, I recognize that Californian hillside!" on my end though, and I thought just of the wallpaper associated with it.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #80 on: 17 Oct 2019, 17:36 »

Compare Roko's ghost-of-the-present with Roko in her new body in 4072,  I'm thinking Jeph just missed a few necklines.  But maybe that's just the new modelsheet and deliberate?

Maybe Yay's lack of neck-seam was deliberate as well, then.  New model of robot body, perhaps something Yay's been working on...

The new ghost could be her future body...   One way that Yay could help Roko without meddling with her mind would be to meddle with her body instead - use whatever resources Yay has to fabricate new bodies, and build a customized one for Roko that has been custom-tuned to "fit" right.

I see that, hints of the future of android bodies?  Maybe Yay will offer May a prototype body? At a zero percent interest loan?  May will prolly tell them to cram it.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #81 on: 17 Oct 2019, 20:28 »

For comic #4115...

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileron

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4. laundry = the endless struggle & headache :psyduck:

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[Yes, that is Jeph Jacques (right) with a chicken. :-D ]
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« Reply #82 on: 17 Oct 2019, 21:11 »

Could "Aileron homebrew Labrador laundry chicken" be like "Cirrus, Socrates, Particle, Decibel, Hurricane, Dolphin, Tulip" from the movie "A.I."? A series of seemingly meaningless, disconnected code words that activate some hidden function?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #83 on: 17 Oct 2019, 21:39 »

Am I the only one who was expecting one of the Roko copies to sing “Hello me.  Meet the real me and my misfit’s way of life.”
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #84 on: 17 Oct 2019, 23:20 »

I suspect that, right now, Roko desperately wants to have a psyche that works normally, thank you very much. What she doesn't know is that, actually her psyche is working normally and this is about the best you can expect from a dream when it comes to revealing something hiding well away from your consciousness.

I love the slap-fight in a ring. Could we have discovered the spectator blood sport of the future?

Regarding future!body's message, Evgeniy Semeonov over on Patreon was able to translate it quite well:

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Aileron - something that helps you steer or stay afloat (in air or water)
Homebrew - something you cannot purchase, something personal and close
Labrador - a dog famously known as a good and loyal friend
Laundry - to make something clean slowly, but without inflicting damage
Chicken - famous euphemism for a scared person

So, symbolic translation will be: "Help to your personality will come from unique close friends and it will wash away all your fears and anxiety".

Simply put - trust Yay and Melon more, they got this.

My own interpretation is closer to: "Direction will be something that comes from non-'official' sources: from good friends. However, making things better will take time and effort; it's okay to be scared." (FWIW, I'm not sure if "chicken" is "it's okay to be scared" or "don' t be scared" but I'm leaning to the former.) As this is coming from Roko's subconsciousness, it is (or course) something that she already knows but, as it is encoded in such a way, it is something that she has still yet to realise and/or believe.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #85 on: 18 Oct 2019, 01:58 »

"Aileron Homebrew Labrador Laundry Chicken" = first draft of Ardent's name from "Alice Grove"?
Obvious (so obvious to me that some commenter will probably call it "facile") takeaway here is that Roko's new body still doesn't make sense to her in the way her old one did.
Also, interesting concept that, in Roko's subconscious at least, soul and body are discrete and each has its own volition. Another facet of dissociation?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #86 on: 18 Oct 2019, 04:56 »

Could "Aileron homebrew Labrador laundry chicken" be like "Cirrus, Socrates, Particle, Decibel, Hurricane, Dolphin, Tulip" from the movie "A.I."? A series of seemingly meaningless, disconnected code words that activate some hidden function?

I'll agree with the first 2/3 of your supposition.

I disagree the sequence has any genuine meaning. Roko and her new body are still getting to know one another.

This parallels having your car lost to an accident and driving a brand-new, better model. Now you have to get used to where all the controls are now. Half the muscle memory you developed activates the wrong function. It feels different.

Except an AI, with its much closer connection to its body, will feel this MUCH more intensely.

Spookybot is right to give Roko the room she needs to get used to a different reality.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #87 on: 18 Oct 2019, 05:14 »

Could "Aileron homebrew Labrador laundry chicken" be like "Cirrus, Socrates, Particle, Decibel, Hurricane, Dolphin, Tulip" from the movie "A.I."? A series of seemingly meaningless, disconnected code words that activate some hidden function?

First, welcome new person!

Second - It actually might be the "shutdown sequence" that she was looking for initially when Yay "sedated" her in Monday's strip.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #88 on: 18 Oct 2019, 06:43 »

Is it just me, or does new-bodies-spirit have bigger chesticles than either old-bodies-spirit or Roko?  Panel 4 of 4114 and Panel 5 of 4115 are what caught my attention.

And if that sequence is in fact a shutdown sequence, then why do we have Panel 7 of 4115?

This arc has me amusedly baffled so far...
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #89 on: 18 Oct 2019, 07:11 »

And if that sequence is in fact a shutdown sequence, then why do we have Panel 7 of 4115?

There's a difference between getting a prompt from documentation, and actually activating the shutdown sequence?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #90 on: 18 Oct 2019, 07:28 »

And if that sequence is in fact a shutdown sequence, then why do we have Panel 7 of 4115?

There's a difference between getting a prompt from documentation, and actually activating the shutdown sequence?

Yes. One literally nothing more than the equivalent of an ASCII text file that has no impact on the function of the system when displayed. The commands entered through a VoAc or keyboard are processed  in a totally different way.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #91 on: 18 Oct 2019, 08:08 »

Getting dissed by a figment of your subconscious. Woo.

Also, interesting concept that, in Roko's subconscious at least, soul and body are discrete and each has its own volition. Another facet of dissociation?

Mind–body duality. Woo.

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #92 on: 18 Oct 2019, 09:00 »

Is it just me, or does new-bodies-spirit have bigger chesticles than either old-bodies-spirit or Roko?  Panel 4 of 4114 and Panel 5 of 4115 are what caught my attention.

And if that sequence is in fact a shutdown sequence, then why do we have Panel 7 of 4115?

This arc has me amusedly baffled so far...
Now that you've pointed it out, they do look bigger in panel 4 of 4114. But, they look about the same between both body ghosts in panel 3 of the same page. Posing in panel 7 of 4115 makes it difficult to tell, but I would say they're all the same cup size. Overall, I would chalk it up to how they're standing or it being a product of Roko's subconscious.

The difference between spaghetti-strap, halter top/tank top, and t-shirt are messing with my tired brain, though.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #93 on: 18 Oct 2019, 10:03 »

Oh I get it, I think. Roko's old machine figment ID was able to communicate with her AI substrate EGO eloquently from years of co-habitation and Roko's core "BIOS" having all the old addresses of the body's functions working together in simple harmony.

The new Philomena model's functions are probably similar but may have different or a refined command language or address order. (insert uber nerd smiley here)

Roko's new machine figment is speaking "words" Roko understands, but are effectively gibberish to the AI substrate "BIOS" and she needs to make friends and have a deep head to heart "BIOS" update with new Roko's body ghost.

Hope its that easy for Roko as it was with Bubbles memory arc using Yay Newfriend's plot advancing powers.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #94 on: 18 Oct 2019, 11:16 »

This whole dream sequence seems like something within Spooybot's powers. They were the one who "helped" Roku shut down, could be within their power to do something more. Modifying Roku's code to fix the problem might violate their ethics, but maybe giving her the tools to resolve this issue herself doesn't.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #95 on: 18 Oct 2019, 11:19 »

Aileron
homebrew
Labrador
laundry
chicken.

Is this like in Captain America 3? Is Roko the Winter Soldier now?
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #96 on: 18 Oct 2019, 13:52 »

Recalling that Jeph is friends with Randall Munroe my first reaction was that Aileron homebrew Labrador laundry chicken is the password that unlocks Roko's access to fix things herself. In other words, something that Yay planted into this dream from the outside.

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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #97 on: 18 Oct 2019, 13:58 »

To recast an old meme:

.If she's screaming "Aileron homebrew Labrador laundry chicken!", it means she forgot the safeword
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #98 on: 19 Oct 2019, 07:40 »

Rereading Friday's comic, I'm wondering if these "ghosts" are Roko hearing Yaaaaay and Melon speaking through her dream. With Old Body Ghost being Yaaaaay and New Body Ghost being Melon, of course.
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Re: WCDT 4111-4115 (October 14th-18th, 2019)
« Reply #99 on: 19 Oct 2019, 09:41 »

I'm starting to think that NewRoko isn't so much a manifestation of her new body, but rather the unprocessed and chaotic feelings about what happened to her. The random words, its like trying to connect registries that have been installed wrong or disconnected.
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