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WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« on: 19 Oct 2019, 15:15 »

I'm sure nobody's done this for a poll before :roll:

Anyways, that was certainly a thing in 4115. I'd agree with cesium123 about Roko hearing what Melon was saying through the ghost of her newbody, but Roko, OBG, & NBG all say something afterwards instead of Roko immediately waking up.

EDIT: redid the poll to be more vague about personal  info.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #1 on: 20 Oct 2019, 14:48 »

I picked Romance Sci-fi, as that's basically what QC is.

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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #2 on: 20 Oct 2019, 16:10 »

Went for "fantasy noir", because I enjoy both components and it, well, just works. Also, removing some of the real-world context makes it possible to keep tropes that are noirish but can be pretty "yikes" to many modern audiences if not given a fantastical remix.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #3 on: 20 Oct 2019, 16:31 »

Went for "fantasy noir",...
Isn't that basically what The Dresden Files is?
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #4 on: 20 Oct 2019, 16:49 »

Not to mention the "Garrett, P.I." series, and perhaps "Hawk & Fisher".
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #5 on: 20 Oct 2019, 18:00 »

There's also the book Magic for Liars, which the book jacket claims to be of the 'California Noir' subtype.

If I recall correctly, I went with sci-fi noir or sci-fi slice of life.
EDIT: I was 2/3 awake when replacing the poll I made while half awake. Hence the janky genre order.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #6 on: 20 Oct 2019, 18:29 »

Melon...you might want to run, I think Roko might be about to do her impression of the comedian Gallagher.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #7 on: 20 Oct 2019, 18:49 »

poor Roko.
In between the punctuation - the freakouts, the um "bread fancying" and such - her life is just an endless series of "what."
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #8 on: 20 Oct 2019, 19:15 »

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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #9 on: 20 Oct 2019, 19:59 »

And everything was fine, the end

that was fun wasn't it
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #10 on: 20 Oct 2019, 20:01 »

Well, that dream degenerated pretty quickly. 


Roko seems to have an "Oh, the horror" look about making out with herself.  I guess it's just too many levels of weird for her...




But it compares well with some human dreams, as I understand.  Don't know for sure - I know I dream, but haven't remembered any since I was 5. 
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #11 on: 20 Oct 2019, 20:03 »

Roko's expression upon wakening made me LoL.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #12 on: 20 Oct 2019, 21:04 »

Roko looks like shes enjoying the sight to me.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #13 on: 20 Oct 2019, 22:43 »

Well, there's easier ways to say "love yourself"...
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #14 on: 20 Oct 2019, 23:15 »

I chose sci-fi slice of life.  Im curious about what everyday people do in the Star Trek or Star Wars universe.  Its one of the reasons I liked Alice Grove so much even though it was more of an adventure.

I dont think Roko coupling can get too hot and heavy, but then again the ghost of Roko present is more anatomically correct than the ghost of Roko past.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #15 on: 20 Oct 2019, 23:19 »

Just in case we needed a reminder that Roko really, really wants to get into this 'human intimacy' thing quite badly! So badly that she's having erotic dreams like poor Momo before her!

Of course, this raises the question that I suspect Jeph is going to play with for a while as to whether this dream actually meant anything at all or whether it was just... well, just the usual randomness of a dream! When she is fully awake, we'll see whether anything has changed.

I'm sure some will be annoyed  because 'dysphoria doesn't work like this' and they're right: it doesn't. However, do remember that, whilst she is doubtlessly psychologically modelled on humans, Roko isn't human and the exact way her mind malfunctions and may be repaired could turn out to be very, very different. I'm sure people who suffer from dysphoria would love to be able to just alter their software settings and not have the problem at all anymore but it is quite possible that synthetics actually do that once they get the right synchronising information (new!Roko's nonsense message may be that).

Well, there's easier ways to say "love yourself"...

Good point! That may be the subconscious message to that scene.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #17 on: 21 Oct 2019, 04:21 »



It makes sense if Yelling Bird was the one swallowing Pintsize in the dream.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #18 on: 21 Oct 2019, 04:41 »

Poor Roko.  Lookout May and Melon!  Will Lemon reappear and in the flesh this time?
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #19 on: 21 Oct 2019, 05:05 »

Sci-fi/Comedy!

I LOVE Douglas Adams.

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Has that dream helped Roko further on her path to reconcile with her new body/loss of the old one?

Or just drive her deeper down the rabbit hole of confusion?
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #20 on: 21 Oct 2019, 07:29 »

Or just generally pissed her off....  :-D :laugh:

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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #21 on: 21 Oct 2019, 07:39 »

@Shanejayell,

I'm sure that Roko would prefer to have a sane and linear subconscious but that would make her in a global minority of one.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #22 on: 21 Oct 2019, 08:00 »

On the subject of the poll, I'm currently reading Terra Incognita. It's a historical fiction murder mystery set in Ancient Rome.

EDIT: Ruth Downie is the author, and it's the sequel to Medicus.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #23 on: 21 Oct 2019, 09:36 »

Roko's expression in panel 4 is NOT that of a well-rested person.

When I look like that it usually means I've been dreaming about work.  I hate it when that happens.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #24 on: 21 Oct 2019, 09:49 »

Well, that was a dream.  I also hope that newbody's message was actually useful.

The weirdest thing to me is that this erotic/troubling dream did not include bread.  Or, like, butter, that being the natural opposite of bread (if it's not cats)--huh; is the bread fetish because some people have a butter fetish (do some people have a butter fetish?  I mean, I guess it makes a pretty usable, if unsafe lube)?

I picked noir/fantasy just because that's a genre I actually read (Toby Daye is urban fantasy/mystery, but it certainly contains a passel of noir elements.  Slice of life sometimes works well in comics (this, Castle Waiting, large portions of Gunnerkrigg Court and Finder), but I'd rather it be the side genre for novels and short stories rather than the main genre.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #25 on: 21 Oct 2019, 12:13 »

If this was Roko's fantasy, I would have expected more bread.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #26 on: 21 Oct 2019, 12:48 »

But dreams are not always fantasy or vice versa.  I had a dream last night that I was creating a business plan for a man I know died last week and closed the business I was creating the plan for at least 20 years ago.  Not something I would fantasize about at all.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #27 on: 21 Oct 2019, 12:58 »

Roko's expression in panel 4 is NOT that of a well-rested person.
It does raise the question of how Roko rebooted.  Did Melon reset her with one of Melon's thousands of paperclips?  Did Yay include an auto-restart in the shutdown sequence?  Does Roko have a built-in reboot at time X:YY AM already set, and if yes, how did she get that set up if she couldn't do a self-shutdown?  I'm baffled that Roko would be able to walk out of the body shop without some of these basic user questions answered for this model body.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #28 on: 21 Oct 2019, 14:28 »

I'm baffled that Roko would be able to walk out of the body shop without some of these basic user questions answered for this model body.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #29 on: 21 Oct 2019, 14:37 »

Yes, it does seem as if her new body is a lemon.:clairedoge:
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« Reply #30 on: 21 Oct 2019, 15:12 »

Roko's expression in panel 4 is NOT that of a well-rested person.
It does raise the question of how Roko rebooted.  Did Melon reset her with one of Melon's thousands of paperclips?  Did Yay include an auto-restart in the shutdown sequence?  Does Roko have a built-in reboot at time X:YY AM already set, and if yes, how did she get that set up if she couldn't do a self-shutdown?  I'm baffled that Roko would be able to walk out of the body shop without some of these basic user questions answered for this model body.

sleep mode. Probably a low power state leaving a few basic aensory functions running (maybe selectable), but the conscious stays more active, or does memory sorting/pruning (storage probably isn't abundant enough to just keep everything), or cross-referencing memories. Running things that need processing power, but may or may not glitch out the consciousness process. And since the system is not in deep sleep or completely off, it can come back to normal once those other processes have finished
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #31 on: 21 Oct 2019, 17:50 »

Lots of votes for science fiction. Double feature.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #32 on: 21 Oct 2019, 18:38 »

new comic!

"right before the really good part", huh?


EDIT: Weird, looks like the next one was posted early and has now been withdrawn.  Ah well, it will return in another couple of hours.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #33 on: 21 Oct 2019, 18:57 »

new comic!

"right before the really good part", huh?
Sure. The guy below "my message is--" in 4114 hadn't joined in yet.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #35 on: 21 Oct 2019, 20:34 »

Roko is bi confirmed! :D
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #36 on: 21 Oct 2019, 20:59 »

new comic!

"right before the really good part", huh?


EDIT: Weird, looks like the next one was posted early and has now been withdrawn.  Ah well, it will return in another couple of hours.
Not sure, but Jeph could also be trolling us.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #37 on: 21 Oct 2019, 21:51 »

Roko is bi confirmed! :D
Seems more complicated than that to me. Not even really self-cest, since those are *her bodies*, not *her* (though the degrees of separation are on ongoing question), and all the differential EXPERIENCE of being an AI rather than a meatbag. I think the question of "what she was really feeling", and how it relates to her identity, her self-image, her crises, and sexuality, are wrapped up complicatedly there.
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« Reply #38 on: 21 Oct 2019, 21:59 »

TODO

Resolve Roko Storyline

Leave it hanging no, I need to give the fans resolution somehow
Yay Omnipotence nah I promised not to... hmmm..
Qurky Melon genius much as I love that trope, having quirky genius solve an actual problem might be a bridge too far... hmmm...
Yay and Melon use the power of FRIENDSHIP tempting... hmmm, nah. maybe I'll suggest it for a guest strip or something.
It was all a dream ugh this is horrible... so blocked...
Roko solves the problem in a dream! brilliant, but people will whinge that it was too easy again. Ugh. Fans. Why do I put up with them. C'mon, think...
Roko apparently solves the problem, with the vague possibility of it returning in the future

Brilliant. And not at all the same as leaving it hanging, I SWEAR
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #39 on: 21 Oct 2019, 22:39 »

Resolution of Roko's dissociation seems to be:
Sometimes getting used to it helps, and the subconscious is a weird place, even for AIs.
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« Reply #40 on: 21 Oct 2019, 23:21 »

I'm going to stick with my theory that newbody!Roko's nonsense phrase were actually the proper synchronising configuration settings of some kind. It had to happen when Roko was unconscious and thus couldn't interfere with the process. However, I'm not expecting Jeph to go into too much technical detail on this. However, I think that hearing those words have meant that Roko how has had several checkboxes ticked and slide-bars adjusted in her settings panel. Consequently, things are working a bit better. Not perfectly, because most of this is psychosomatic anyway, but better.

In reply to Yay's question in panel 4, a Spooky Dream is one where you are forced to confront your personal demons that take a bizarre and non-threatening form and that also makes you think about the world in different ways.

I know that it is just a 'horny robot' joke but, in my head, the 'good bit' that Roko missed was to watch the archetypes of her old and new body merge into a single being because, of course, all three people in that dreamscape had just been Roko.

Finally: Jeph, quit making me worried about poor Melon possibly being exploited and having serious psychological damage.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #41 on: 22 Oct 2019, 00:44 »

I like the idea of the words being configuration expressions, leftovers from human readable code. Like the configuration files being adjusted in semi-offline mode, and Roko's consciousness sniffing a few pieces accidentally.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #42 on: 22 Oct 2019, 06:37 »

I think YAY is lying to Roko, telling her she had nothing to do with her dream. I think she initiated it and perhaps suitably guided the dream and gently corrected things. To allow  Roko's mind to fix things on its own.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #43 on: 22 Oct 2019, 07:04 »

I think YAY is lying to Roko, telling her she had nothing to do with her dream. I think she initiated it and perhaps suitably guided the dream and gently corrected things. To allow  Roko's mind to fix things on its own.

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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #44 on: 22 Oct 2019, 07:14 »

I think YAY is lying to Roko, telling her she had nothing to do with her dream. I think she initiated it and perhaps suitably guided the dream and gently corrected things. To allow  Roko's mind to fix things on its own.
I thought this too. Yay doesn't actually answer the question of whether or not they're responsible.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #45 on: 22 Oct 2019, 09:49 »

(...) do some people have a butter fetish? 

Dunno, ask Marlon Brando
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #46 on: 22 Oct 2019, 11:41 »

...poor Melon possibly being exploited and having serious psychological damage.
Melon.  An AI that doesn't believe in apartment door numbers as signifiers are important, apparently lives with Barry that as an accountant (not just a fight-enthusiast) gets his arms ripped off regularly, and keeps at least one kitchen drawer full of paperclips.  And you're worried she might have serious psychological damage by being exploited at some future point? 

I submit for your consideration that she's already suffering from serious psychological damage and that it's a major part of what makes her Melon.
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« Reply #47 on: 22 Oct 2019, 17:30 »

...poor Melon possibly being exploited and having serious psychological damage.
Melon.  An AI that doesn't believe in apartment door numbers as signifiers are important, apparently lives with Barry that as an accountant (not just a fight-enthusiast) gets his arms ripped off regularly, and keeps at least one kitchen drawer full of paperclips.  And you're worried she might have serious psychological damage by being exploited at some future point? 

I submit for your consideration that she's already suffering from serious psychological damage and that it's a major part of what makes her Melon.
Melon lives with Arthur, who happens to have a similar chassis to Barry and is a terrible chef w/ thought proceses in a similar vein to Melon.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #48 on: 22 Oct 2019, 17:40 »

You’re also confusing Barry the robot with Bartholemew Punchbot, CPA.

And Barry the robot should not be confused with Barry the human, who is definitely not called Dolphin Jack.
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Re: WCDT 4116-4120 (October 21st-25th, 2019)
« Reply #49 on: 22 Oct 2019, 18:35 »

Comic.

I wonder how long it'll be before people start hollering about Beepatrice's sweatshirt.
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