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That must be stressful. Favorite fruit preserves for toast/sandwiches?

strawberry jam
grape jelly
blackberry jam
peach preserves
apricot jelly
plum jam
orange marmalade
jalapeño jelly
apple butter
lemon curd
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WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« on: 11 Jan 2020, 01:20 »

Oof! I hope Roko will recover from this.
Maybe removing or disabling the OopsieGuard software could be a sizable step in sorting out her disphoria?


We may not have had a lot when I was growing up, but my mom made her own jellies, jams, and preserves when she could. You really can't top homemade with storebought.

EDIT: typo fix. 'storebought' not 'storenought'.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #1 on: 11 Jan 2020, 01:53 »

1. RE: Poll (fruit preserves/spreads)
 - a.) Other (please specify) ~  I enjoy a Blueberry Jam &/or Preserves.  Not Blueberry Jelly though, those are generally too sweet (for me) and do not have a good texture for its spread and flavor-theme.  Sadly, Blueberry fruit spread(s) are generally Uncommon-to-Rare for availability.

 - b.) General Poll Choice(s) ~ In-general, I am fine with (enjoy as well) the more commonly available Orange Marmalade.  Though I also try to have Orange Marmalade made with actual oranges, sugar, and pectin.   This is opposed to the "marmalades" packets &/or cheap-quality store bought brands, THOSE are often made from artificial components ("ingredients" may be too generous a term): citric acid (for that "orange" taste), high fructose corn syrup (or other synthetic sweetener), polydextrose, maltodextrin, [polysyllabic chemical which could probably eat through Vibranium in larger amounts], etc..

2. Home-/hand-/fresh-made vs. Store Bought ~ I agree that home-/hand-made is best.  Just like fresh-squeezed orange juice is generally superior to (store bought) pasteurized container orange juice.  However, we also have to strike a Balance between what we have available for [time + effort + cost].  When I can manage fresh-squeezed orange juice, I do have it, or make it, or buy it.  Otherwise, I have to make do with the more commonly & easily available (store bought) calcium- & vitamin-enriched carton orange juice.

This assumes one is not simply $-Wealthy-$ enough to not have to care about such Balance &/or Costs, and can have hand-made preserves, fresh-squeezed juices, and live lobsters out of the tank for their meat to be added to their breakfast omelets every morning.  :roll:

3. Roko vs. her Chassis ~ As for Roko's dysphoria, my guess is she will first heavily relapse ("Not my body. It told me so.", as I posted previously).  It will take Roko's friends to help her recover and once again move forward and re-focus on helping May.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #2 on: 11 Jan 2020, 03:13 »

I reiterate that Roko needs to to root/jailbreak her body.  Is it possible that the list of words her new body gave her in the dream (4115) are the required password(s)?  Only, she doesn't remember the dream.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #3 on: 11 Jan 2020, 03:31 »

Roko did get the police force upgrade package, for the job. This meant reinforced AI core systems, like sturdier drives and stuff.

I reiterate that Roko needs to to root/jailbreak her body.  Is it possible that the list of words her new body gave her in the dream (4115) are the required password(s)?  Only, she doesn't remember the dream.

What if this dream was some remnant of her reinforcement package trying to connect to the body, but being unable to do so, fully? Or some debug mode, throwing out some data needed to unlock the needed access?
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #4 on: 11 Jan 2020, 08:32 »

When I lived in Madison and could easily get rhubarb from the farmers market during the spring, I'd make some really great strawberry-rhubarb jam.

Where I'm living now, the closest farmers market doesn't open until the end of June for some reason...
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #5 on: 11 Jan 2020, 15:49 »

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Raspberry.

Meta-note: have you noticed, how usually WCDT is three pages, over the New Year's filler it dropped to two, and now with Roko's cliffhanger the previous thread is at four pages long with at least two new accounts?
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #6 on: 11 Jan 2020, 18:16 »

More drama -> longer WCDT's. 

It's the nature of the beast.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #7 on: 11 Jan 2020, 18:47 »

Blackcurrant jam is my favourite ^_^
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #8 on: 11 Jan 2020, 19:33 »

When I lived in Madison and could easily get rhubarb from the farmers market during the spring, I'd make some really great strawberry-rhubarb jam.

Where I'm living now, the closest farmers market doesn't open until the end of June for some reason...
I had considered rhubarb as an option, but I wasn't sure how common rhubarb or strawberry rhubarb jams were.

Raspberry.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #9 on: 11 Jan 2020, 20:28 »

I don't really have a favourite. It's entirely whim based.

I chose orange marmalade as the preserve I'd choose if I could only have one for the rest of my life. My second choice would be lemon curd. Pure sweet can just be a bit much at times.

A frequently favourited type not listed is cherry.

I am quite fond of rhubarb as well.

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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #10 on: 12 Jan 2020, 00:54 »

We both buy and make rhubarb jam; occasionally strawberry and rhubarb if the real thing isn't available.  Plum jam is another favourite.  I also love marmalade - the chunkier the better - but my wife won't touch it.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #11 on: 12 Jan 2020, 00:56 »

More drama -> longer WCDT's. 

It's the nature of the beast.

Ten years ago ten pages was a busy week and five pages was a quiet one.  Over ten we'd be watching for trouble...
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #12 on: 12 Jan 2020, 01:50 »

Lemon & lime marmalade; could never stand the bitter, rindy taste of the orange stuff.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #13 on: 12 Jan 2020, 05:45 »

More drama -> longer WCDT's. 

It's the nature of the beast.

Ten years ago ten pages was a busy week and five pages was a quiet one.  Over ten we'd be watching for trouble...

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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #14 on: 12 Jan 2020, 11:33 »

Lemon & lime marmalade; could never stand the bitter, rindy taste of the orange stuff.

Bought some Sicilian Lemon marmelade around christmas. Although it was like 60% sugar, it was deliciously lemony. And surprisingly not sweet.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #15 on: 12 Jan 2020, 15:43 »

I like lime marmalade too - but it usually has very little rind.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #16 on: 12 Jan 2020, 16:17 »

I'm more a peanut butter person.  :-P

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« Reply #17 on: 12 Jan 2020, 16:20 »

If we’re just talking about things that go on toasted bread, there’s always marmite.
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« Reply #18 on: 12 Jan 2020, 17:13 »

How in the name of sanity am I the only one who voted for Grape Jelly?????
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #19 on: 12 Jan 2020, 17:15 »

How in the name of sanity am I the only one who voted for Grape Jelly?????

I feel you, turns out I'm the only one who voted for plum jam.

My other vote turned out more popular.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #20 on: 12 Jan 2020, 18:18 »

How in the name of sanity am I the only one who voted for Grape Jelly?????

Sanity...?  Sanity?!?

THIS!  IS!  QUESTIONABLE CONTENT!

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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #21 on: 12 Jan 2020, 18:27 »

Comics up and as I suspected, Roko is not happy that she doesn't have control of her own body.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #22 on: 12 Jan 2020, 18:59 »

No kidding!  Now with warranty voiding action!
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #23 on: 12 Jan 2020, 19:18 »

I feel you, turns out I'm the only one who voted for plum jam.
Not any more! One vote for plum jam and one for the sadly omitted raspberry.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #24 on: 12 Jan 2020, 20:05 »

Of course she'd go to Bubbles and Faye, as they're more 'grey market' types and probably know hacking...

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« Reply #25 on: 12 Jan 2020, 21:27 »

How in the name of sanity am I the only one who voted for Grape Jelly?????
Nobody's voted for jalapeno jelly either.
It's not my favorite, but it's still good.

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I feel you, turns out I'm the only one who voted for plum jam.
Not any more! One vote for plum jam and one for the sadly omitted raspberry.

What I'm hearing is that I should just change "other" to raspberry instead of resetting the poll and adding it.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #26 on: 12 Jan 2020, 21:34 »

I think Faye summed up the situation quite nicely. 


As for jams, my favorite is the Dead's "Uncle John's Band".    :-D



Oh, wait... Apricot.  Sorry   :-P  :roll:
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #27 on: 12 Jan 2020, 22:32 »

Well, at least she's still functioning rather than completely breaking down.

But yes, as Faye said Hazard Protection Firmware seems like one of those ideas which is theoretically sound but once you try it out you notice some rather major drawbacks.

Such as fully sapient AI feeling like they're being treated as products rather than people.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #28 on: 12 Jan 2020, 22:41 »

I'm honestly glad that her anger let her punch through it (as it were) rather than getting sucked into another dissociative episode.

(Yes, there's some potential for self-harm either way, but this is at least psychologically healthier, IMO.)
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« Reply #29 on: 12 Jan 2020, 22:45 »

Such as fully sapient AI feeling like they're being treated as products rather than people.

Firmware like that makes you feel treated like an idiot by default. Also, you might think hazard protection firmware like this could be turned off either by the occupying sentience or by an authorised technician.

I'm wondering whether Roko did read the user manual and then went to Union Robotics, or just went there without further consideration.


And, for everyone wondering about the face washing episode: the footer text reveals Oopsie Guard would've stopped her  from actually doing damage with the peeler.
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« Reply #30 on: 12 Jan 2020, 23:20 »

Wow! Roko is really under stress here! Running everywhere, shouting (at Bubbles, something that normally I doubt that she'd dare to do) and playing with her hair in panel 4. I do think she's attempting to outrun a serious breakdown here!

It's interesting that Bubbles knows about OopsieGuard but Roko doesn't. I'm guessing that this is no great secret or even slightly a secret. I suspect that Roko has just been avoiding reading her documentation on the grounds that, on a subconscious level, it would mean admitting that she's in that body now and has to know how it works.

Still, it's a weird kind of funny that, for all her distress, Roko can still debate philosophical points!

So, who is that head from? It looks like a Pintsize model AnthroPC chassis!
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #31 on: 13 Jan 2020, 00:22 »

It's not a paradox. It's just that now BUBBLES is stopping you from punching the wall instead of your body stopping you.  Isn't that better on an existential level, Roko?
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #32 on: 13 Jan 2020, 01:13 »

For comic #4176...

1. [Narrator voice]: Seconds after Roko has the OopsieGuard(tm) manually disabled and her Warranty voided, CrushBot, PunchBot, and IG-11 (from The Mandalorian) simultaneously enter Union Robotics...

2. @Gyrre...
What I'm hearing is that I should just change "other" to raspberry instead of resetting the poll and adding it.

Don't you DARE give us (Other-voters) the Raspberry!

3. @BenRG... I do not think she is "playing" or "fiddling" with her hair in panel 4, but rather taking off her ponytail scrunchie ("scrunchy"?) / hair-band to loosen her hair, &/or to allow access to her I/O port in the back of her head.
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« Reply #33 on: 13 Jan 2020, 01:49 »

Such as fully sapient AI feeling like they're being treated as products rather than people.

Firmware like that makes you feel treated like an idiot by default. Also, you might think hazard protection firmware like this could be turned off either by the occupying sentience or by an authorised technician.

I'm wondering whether Roko did read the user manual and then went to Union Robotics, or just went there without further consideration.


And, for everyone wondering about the face washing episode: the footer text reveals Oopsie Guard would've stopped her  from actually doing damage with the peeler.

One would think so. Unfortunately that also depends on who produces the Philomena D model and their attitudes towards consumer modifications (like Ferrari's ownership agreement or John Deer's computerized tractors).

Roko looks pretty miffed, so there's a strong likelihood she may have even skipped that part due to frustrations with bureaucrat boy, and tried to find how to turn it off on her own while storming over to U.R.
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« Reply #34 on: 13 Jan 2020, 02:00 »

Wow! Roko is really under stress here! Running everywhere, shouting (at Bubbles, something that normally I doubt that she'd dare to do) and playing with her hair in panel 4. I do think she's attempting to outrun a serious breakdown here!

It's interesting that Bubbles knows about OopsieGuard but Roko doesn't. I'm guessing that this is no great secret or even slightly a secret. I suspect that Roko has just been avoiding reading her documentation on the grounds that, on a subconscious level, it would mean admitting that she's in that body now and has to know how it works.

Still, it's a weird kind of funny that, for all her distress, Roko can still debate philosophical points!

So, who is that head from? It looks like a Pintsize model AnthroPC chassis!

Took me a few moments to realize that was a whip antenna on the head...

 I'm hoping the process will be a little cathartic, and Roko will calm down enough to process her interview.  I'm looking forward to some devious machinations.

I like how buff Bubbles looks with her arms folded like that.

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« Reply #35 on: 13 Jan 2020, 04:28 »

As much as I know the whole thing about personal choice, responsibility for your own actions etc, etc, etc...  I just hope nothing bad happens when Faye and Bubs turn off the self harm mode.  I mean, Roko has shown so far that she's having issues with it, between the face washing, punching of the wall...  Don't know if Faye and Bubbles would be able to take it very well should they turn it off and Roko goes and does something major. 
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« Reply #36 on: 13 Jan 2020, 04:45 »

After the dream, I think Roko is in a much better place than she was.  There's a possibility that bypassing this security layer will allow her to more fully integrate.
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« Reply #37 on: 13 Jan 2020, 04:50 »

I feel like she really ought to have been told about this feature before purchase.
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« Reply #38 on: 13 Jan 2020, 04:59 »

I feel like she really ought to have been told about this feature before purchase.

FWIW, Roko wasn't in a fit state to make informed choices at that point, having just been informed that she'd been involuntarily disembodied and all. Lemon really didn't handle the situation very well and, she did say that this wasn't her usual area of responsibility. So, overall, I think that the whole process was pretty badly botched up.
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« Reply #39 on: 13 Jan 2020, 05:05 »

I feel like she really ought to have been told about this feature before purchase.

I'm kinda wondering if this was added after Roko's attempts at self harm.
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« Reply #40 on: 13 Jan 2020, 05:19 »

I feel like she really ought to have been told about this feature before purchase.

I'm kinda wondering if this was added after Roko's attempts at self harm.

It seems more like one of the things a higher-end company would emplace just to keep their clients from doing stupid shit.  It stinks of the walled gardens of Apple, Samsung or Microsoft.

Not to mention, when would this have occurred?  We haven't seen Roko go back to the server farm or wherever she was when she was put in the body.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #41 on: 13 Jan 2020, 05:51 »

I'm kinda wondering if this was added after Roko's attempts at self harm.
Sounds like one of those ideas which would have to be prefaced by the sentence "I'm going to do what's called a pro gamer move"

"I'm going to take this person who is suffering breakdowns over the sensation of her body not belonging to her... and reduce her control over said body."
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #42 on: 13 Jan 2020, 06:17 »

I'm kinda wondering if this was added after Roko's attempts at self harm.
Sounds like one of those ideas which would have to be prefaced by the sentence "I'm going to do what's called a pro gamer move"

"I'm going to take this person who is suffering breakdowns over the sensation of her body not belonging to her... and reduce her control over said body."

Or Lemon, in an innocent and naive manner, thought that it might help Roko. "Roko is hurting herself, maybe this will help her." without realising that removing more control of her body will only have negative effects.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #43 on: 13 Jan 2020, 09:45 »

So, who is that head from? It looks like a Pintsize model AnthroPC chassis!
And why is it's mouth hanging over Faye's hand?
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #44 on: 13 Jan 2020, 09:52 »

So, who is that head from? It looks like a Pintsize model AnthroPC chassis!
And why is it's mouth hanging over Faye's hand?

It's a whip antenna
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #45 on: 13 Jan 2020, 10:08 »


Awwwhhhh where's Roko's *stressed* accent gone!??!?    :-(
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #46 on: 13 Jan 2020, 13:13 »

Part of the police package?
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #47 on: 13 Jan 2020, 14:05 »

It's not a paradox. It's just that now BUBBLES is stopping you from punching the wall instead of your body stopping you.  Isn't that better on an existential level, Roko?

Bubbles isn't even stopping her. Bubbles is trading one free will decision for another. If Roko decides to pay them and not to harm herself, Bubbles will repay that decision by disabling OopsieGuard.
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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #48 on: 13 Jan 2020, 15:04 »

So, who is that head from? It looks like a Pintsize model AnthroPC chassis!
And why is it's mouth hanging over Faye's hand?

It's a whip antenna

Good catch. I saw it as a weird drool mouth at first.

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Re: WCDT 4176-4180 (13th - 17th, January 2020)
« Reply #49 on: 13 Jan 2020, 17:57 »

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Raspberry.
Regarding the homemade jellies, jams, and other preserves in the OP, my mom made a bunch of those when I was growing up too. Mayhaw, dewberry, and fig were the ones I recall. Definitely in the "other" category.
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