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So, how do you want this to turn out?

Elliot + Clinton
- 12 (21.8%)
Elliot + Brun
- 3 (5.5%)
Elliot + Clinton + Brun
- 15 (27.3%)
Clinton + Brun (Sorry Elliot)
- 7 (12.7%)
Millie + Brun (Sorry Elliot, Clinton)
- 18 (32.7%)

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WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:21 »

New comic up! Elliot has asked Clinton out!

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #1 on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:24 »

And he’s done it in a vague enough fashion that Clinton has no idea it’s about anything but video games!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #2 on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:46 »

Cliton has NO IDEA that he just agreed to a date. I hope that Elliot manages to get that point across in the next comic, I'd hate for there to be an awkward moment during their video game discussion
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #3 on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:46 »

I believe this is the first dab in the history of QC
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #4 on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:47 »

I want to redo my poll options, it would be good to get a throuple in the comic.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #5 on: 09 Aug 2020, 19:47 »

I believe this is the first dab in the history of QC


I concur (unless there was one in the Patreon-only content)
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #6 on: 09 Aug 2020, 20:06 »

Interestingly the RSS feed got a post on saturday titled "Some Shit" with no image and a link to comic 3781. Most likely a test of some kind though.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #7 on: 09 Aug 2020, 22:01 »

Hmm, I really can't see any of these as the way I'd 'want it to turn out'...

Brun doesn't seem to 'get' the idea of romantic relationships at all - understandable, as human interactions, expressions, conversations are such a puzzle to her - so I don't see any romantic relationship working out with Brun involved...sad, maybe (for us, who can perceive the intricacies of romantic interaction), but probably nothing more than a vague - regret? - from Brun's perspective.

I'm not sure Elliot actually knows what he feels towards Clinton. I suspect he's just glad to be able to talk to another guy (of his own age group) who isn't a dick - Elliot does seem to encounter males at their worst, i.e., drunk and aggressive. Maybe there will be the one date, leading to the realization that it was just rose-coloured glasses all the time. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I can't help but feel that an Elliot/Clinton match-up doesn't have anything solid to anchor it. Not like Marten/Dora or Faye/Angus, where the problem was too many emotional landmines down the road - more like, nothing to stop them from just - drifting...
So, maybe one hook-up, realize it won't work and then "Bye, I hope we can still be friends"?

* I'm probably wrong - my own life is rife with misconstrued meanings and tangled relationships  :-P
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #8 on: 09 Aug 2020, 22:25 »

That rules out anyone who bet that Elliot would try to escape.

I don't think we're far enough to fully cash out on the bets, though. Clinton doesn't know it's a date.

Also, IMO, that's the worst outfit Clinton's worn yet. Not a fan of the mauve/olive combo.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #9 on: 09 Aug 2020, 23:11 »

The poll misses out my other wanted outcome: Elliot + Roko!

Renee has clearly been struggling with Elliot's shyness nad indecisiveness for a long time. For him to even indirectly actually decide to take action is a source of the greatest relief for her. It's also clearly a personal triumph of some kind!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #10 on: 09 Aug 2020, 23:24 »

That rules out anyone who bet that Elliot would try to escape.

I don't think we're far enough to fully cash out on the bets, though. Clinton doesn't know it's a date.  Kinda like that time with Emily?

Also, IMO, that's the worst outfit Clinton's worn yet. Not a fan of the mauve/olive combo.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #11 on: 10 Aug 2020, 01:30 »

With regard to Brun shipping. My suspicion is that Jeph is planning a prolonged arc for her learning the nature of friendship and the difference between friendship and romantic attraction (and, more importantly, the fact that, confusingly, there is sometimes no difference at all). As part of this, I think that Brun will have relationships of differing levels of intimacy with many different people before finally deciding to her own satisfaction what she wants in a romantic partner and deciding whether she has this available in anyone in her existing social circle.

So, yes, I think it is possible that she'll have 'flings' of differing levels of intensity with Millifeulle, Clinton and Elliot. She may even go on what she considers a 'date' with Renee just to verify to her own satisfaction whether their friendship may have a romantic element to it.

FWIW, I could see her walking up to her eventual choice and announcing, in a dry way: "With regard to my romantic partner, I have chosen you." The person has a thought bubble over their head of themselves in Pikachu cosplay and Brun throwing a Pokéball at them.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #12 on: 10 Aug 2020, 02:19 »

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FWIW, I could see her walking up to her eventual choice and announcing, in a dry way: "With regard to my romantic partner, I have chosen you." The person has a thought bubble over their head of themselves in Pikachu cosplay and Brun throwing a Pokéball at them.

Why am I thinking Elliot here? :-P


Elliot has asked Clinton for a date in the same way Clinton had asked Emily. But it's a step forward, and not having Renee around probably is a good idea, as Elliot won't feel pressured to do anything.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #13 on: 10 Aug 2020, 04:02 »

The poll misses out my other wanted outcome: Elliot + Roko!

Renee has clearly been struggling with Elliot's shyness nad indecisiveness for a long time. For him to even indirectly actually decide to take action is a source of the greatest relief for her. It's also clearly a personal triumph of some kind!

My dream is a Roko+Elliot+Brun+Clinton polycule of some flavor, just being there and supporting one another and learning together.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #14 on: 10 Aug 2020, 05:22 »

Replace Roko with Millie for a Millie+Elliot+Brun+Clinton polycule and I'm all set. 

I'm sensing Roko is an independent agent and will remain so unless May, Beeps, or Yay makes a perfectly timed play and hits her when she's weak.  Then she'll stay in the relationship because that's what good people do, even when their partner is foul-mouthed, wussy, or a multi-tentacular monstrosity.  I don't have enough internet points yet, so I can't bet on Yay FTW, but that's my pick.  Yay has already intimated as much in 4040, even though Roko called her "Nerd" in response....
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #15 on: 10 Aug 2020, 07:12 »

And he’s done it in a vague enough fashion that Clinton has no idea it’s about anything but video games!

Soooooh ... classic nerd-date?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #16 on: 10 Aug 2020, 07:48 »

a multi-tentacular monstrosity.  I don't have enough internet points yet, so I can't bet on Yay FTW, but that's my pick.  Yay has already intimated as much in 4040, even though Roko called her "Nerd" in response....
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #17 on: 10 Aug 2020, 08:09 »

And he’s done it in a vague enough fashion that Clinton has no idea it’s about anything but video games!

I may or may not be familiar with this kind of situation.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #18 on: 10 Aug 2020, 09:52 »

The poll misses out my other wanted outcome: Elliot + Roko!

Renee has clearly been struggling with Elliot's shyness nad indecisiveness for a long time. For him to even indirectly actually decide to take action is a source of the greatest relief for her. It's also clearly a personal triumph of some kind!

My dream is a Roko+Elliot+Brun+Clinton polycule of some flavor, just being there and supporting one another and learning together.

Me too - there isn't a lot of character representation out there for poly people so I'm hoping this will be the outcome (or at least Elliot/Brun/Clinton) ♥
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #19 on: 10 Aug 2020, 13:48 »

I don't think we're far enough to fully cash out on the bets, though. Clinton doesn't know it's a date.
That's what I had in mind, having to know it's a date he's responding to. So far it's just a friendly lunch.
Also, IMO, that's the worst outfit Clinton's worn yet. Not a fan of the mauve/olive combo.
What with being indoors weeks at a time, it might take seeing a terrible summer clothes to remind someone it's summer.

person has a thought bubble over their head of themselves in Pikachu cosplay and Brun throwing a Pokéball at them.
Why am I thinking Elliot here? :-P
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #20 on: 10 Aug 2020, 15:42 »

As a queer poly person who reads this comic riddled with queers, I am super hyped at the prospect of #ElliotAll.

If it was something they could all communicate about enough, it could be something that worked for all of them.

Also Renee rocks the shit out of that haircut.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #21 on: 10 Aug 2020, 16:10 »

Replace Roko with Millie for a Millie+Elliot+Brun+Clinton polycule and I'm all set. 

I'm sensing Roko is an independent agent and will remain so unless May, Beeps, or Yay makes a perfectly timed play and hits her when she's weak.  Then she'll stay in the relationship because that's what good people do, even when their partner is foul-mouthed, wussy, or a multi-tentacular monstrosity.  I don't have enough internet points yet, so I can't bet on Yay FTW, but that's my pick.  Yay has already intimated as much in 4040, even though Roko called her "Nerd" in response....


Winslow met Roko once and immediately went googly eyed over her, so that might be a story line for another time. I don't think Roko is adverse to having a romantic partner, that's why she went on that one (disastrous) date with Pintsize.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #22 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:00 »

And he’s done it in a vague enough fashion that Clinton has no idea it’s about anything but video games!

I may or may not be familiar with this kind of situation.

Uh oh. Were you Clinton or Elliot (or Renee)?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #23 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:17 »

Comic's out...why do I genuinely want to read that trilogy duology with another book on the end?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #24 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:20 »

Ha. Such nerdity...  :-D

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #25 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:28 »

Is it bad that I know which game Elliot is talking about? (Pretty sure it’s Europa Universalis IV.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #26 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:29 »

The date (if that's what it is. Can it be a date if only one person considers it one?) seems to be going well.

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Is it bad that I know which game Elliot is talking about? (Pretty sure it’s Europa Universalis IV.)

I think it's a good thing :)  What use is a reference like that if no-one actually gets it?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #27 on: 10 Aug 2020, 18:33 »

I am once again bewildered by the forums (and probably Jeph's, I dunno) obsession over whether any given interaction is Officially a Date (TM).

Spending time with a person in order to get to know them better and learn whether you are compatible and whether your initial attraction is more than just that is an important part of developing a relationship, whether or not it's Officially a Date (TM).
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #28 on: 10 Aug 2020, 19:38 »

Is it bad that I know which game Elliot is talking about? (Pretty sure it’s Europa Universalis IV.)

I mean, Prussia screams Europa Universalis 4, but the family dynamics say Crusader Kings 2 to me.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #29 on: 10 Aug 2020, 20:57 »

Looks like the scattered disc found out they shpuld make sure the kid they're arranging a marriage for is cool with it first.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #30 on: 10 Aug 2020, 21:10 »

When it comes to this specific situation, for me it's not so much whether or not this qualifies as 'Officially a Date (TM)', but more: are Elliot and Clinton on the same page about what they're doing? If Elliot thinks: 'this is a date, to see if we can get a romantic relationship going', and Clinton thinks: 'cool, lunch with a friend while discussing video games', well... That could lead to some very awkward moments.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #31 on: 10 Aug 2020, 22:01 »

If Brun ends up in a romantic relationship, I'd like to see it with a new cast member. I think a funny thing would be several characters in comic either trying to date her or shipping her with other members of the cast leading to a wacky series of events only for the arc to end with her having met someone off screen and introducing them as her date. Then we can do a flashback to how they met. Renee ends up being overprotective/suspicious but it turns out that Brun did just fine on her own and her date is totally a good person. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #32 on: 10 Aug 2020, 22:18 »

Huh, Elliot didn't strike me as the EUIV type.

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« Reply #33 on: 10 Aug 2020, 22:59 »

Shipping where there is clearly established attraction in-comic at least in one direction is, so far as I am aware, perfectly fine. No need to skirt around it.
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« Reply #34 on: 10 Aug 2020, 23:37 »

So, it's confirmed that Elliot plays Europa Univeralis (that's the only strategy game I know of with stuff like that happening all the time)! Meanwhile, I think that Clinton likes the same sort of sci-fi novels that Jeph does!

By the way, the alien princess in panel 4 is a pretty good idea of what I suspect new!May will look like.

Looks like the scattered disc found out they shpuld make sure the kid they're arranging a marriage for is cool with it first.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #35 on: 10 Aug 2020, 23:57 »

And he’s done it in a vague enough fashion that Clinton has no idea it’s about anything but video games!

I may or may not be familiar with this kind of situation.

Uh oh. Were you Clinton or Elliot (or Renee)?
Elliot; by the time he caught on, though, Clinton was very vocal about not leaning that way. Never heard of him since. I do hope it doesn't turn that way in the comic.

Coincidentally, we were discussing Crusader Kings, at the time.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #36 on: 11 Aug 2020, 01:34 »

I'm pretty sure the NPC situation described in the comic is not remotely on the same level of complexity as Europa Universalis (EU doesn't really *have* NPCs beyond leaders with a bunch of very simple stats, and there's not really any personal interaction with them in the game). I think the game is a fictional (generic?) combination of elements from Europa Universalis and Crusader Kings.

EDIT: OK, upon rereading the comic, if you interpret "married off my daughter" as a flavourful description of clicking the "Royal marriage" option, and the deal as a similarly fanciful description of using a royal marriage to get your relationship number high enough for the other country to agree to an alliance, you can *technically* have that scenario in EU (but again, the level of detail is not in the actual game mechanics). I don't *think* EU keeps track of all individual NPCs for the purpose of royal marriages, I think it's just automatically possible to have a royal marriage with any kingdom. But I haven't played EU4 in about a year, so if I'm talking out my ass, anyone correct me.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #37 on: 11 Aug 2020, 05:17 »

My suspicion is that Jeph is planning a prolonged arc for her learning the nature of friendship and the difference between friendship and romantic attraction
Nuances among social relations of various types are challenging understanding, therefore I'm eager to read what examines such.
the difference between friendship and romantic attraction (and, more importantly, the fact that, confusingly, there is sometimes no difference at all)
Two things being different and the same is contradictory.
that one (disastrous) date with Pintsize.
Roko liked bread. Pintsize durably publically explicitly stated that he wanted to shoot toast at "your" body. Roko agreed to a date with Pintsize. Pintsize shot toast at Roko. Roko disliked that?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #38 on: 11 Aug 2020, 05:38 »

the difference between friendship and romantic attraction (and, more importantly, the fact that, confusingly, there is sometimes no difference at all)

Two things being different and the same is contradictory.

Yes; that's why understanding the occasional overlap or lack of first-glance differences between the two states is so difficult for people to grasp sometimes. It takes time and exposure to figure which of the two it is (or whether it is both).
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #39 on: 11 Aug 2020, 05:48 »

that one (disastrous) date with Pintsize.
Roko liked bread. Pintsize durably publically explicitly stated that he wanted to shoot toast at "your" body. Roko agreed to a date with Pintsize. Pintsize shot toast at Roko. Roko disliked that?
Yes, because Roko was trying to come to some understanding of who Pintsize was, and getting no response.  Pintsize was trying to live out his sexual fantasy and not getting the response he wanted either.  Both leave the date highly dissatisfied.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #40 on: 11 Aug 2020, 06:14 »

If Brun ends up in a romantic relationship, I'd like to see it with a new cast member. I think a funny thing would be several characters in comic either trying to date her or shipping her with other members of the cast leading to a wacky series of events only for the arc to end with her having met someone off screen and introducing them as her date. Then we can do a flashback to how they met. Renee ends up being overprotective/suspicious but it turns out that Brun did just fine on her own and her date is totally a good person.

Does Millefeuille count?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #41 on: 11 Aug 2020, 06:45 »

If Brun ends up in a romantic relationship, I'd like to see it with a new cast member. I think a funny thing would be several characters in comic either trying to date her or shipping her with other members of the cast leading to a wacky series of events only for the arc to end with her having met someone off screen and introducing them as her date. Then we can do a flashback to how they met. Renee ends up being overprotective/suspicious but it turns out that Brun did just fine on her own and her date is totally a good person.

Does Millefeuille count?

I'll throw down my marker here. Milli was originally just a background character associated with the 'cloaked emu' joke break in the 'Winslow's New Body' mini-arc. When Jeph brought her back and started fleshing her out, I think that he designed the character deliberately as a bespoke romantic interest for Brun. I just wonder if he did that because he didn't want to risk angering either Bruniot or Brunton shippers by choosing one of the other or whether he just wanted to give her a same-gender pairing to troll people he doesn't like.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #42 on: 11 Aug 2020, 06:49 »

Popping in as I do once in a blue moon to say... I really like this comic. (In general, or this page? Yes.) The fact that multiple outcomes are possible just means there's been really good setup. I am usually REALLY SKEPTICAL of romances in most media because they seem rushed or forced and the people haven't had any time to bond. This bonding over videogames is adorable and I love them and I wish them both happiness and much continued friendship, wherever this goes!!!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #43 on: 11 Aug 2020, 10:21 »

Global Moderator Comment The bad kind of shipping is the Harry/Draco kind, unmotivated and orientation-incompatible. It carries no respect for the creator's property or ideas. It gets explicit without need. Do the opposite of that, and you're just trying to predict the direction of relationships in a comic about relationships.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #44 on: 11 Aug 2020, 13:39 »

It carries no respect for the creator's property or ideas.

I see why straight-up modifying the characters should be avoided in the QCverse and on the forums, but that doesn't mean it's a terrible thing to do in any situation. J. K. Rowling recently slammed trans people, and the fanfic community retaliated by releasing a wave of stories that portrayed Hermione as a trans character. If Rowling can't respect that trans people are human, then she deserves to have her work "disrespected."

(Of course, Jeph is not transphobic, so that doesn't apply here.)

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #45 on: 11 Aug 2020, 15:49 »

Quote from: Clinton
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #46 on: 11 Aug 2020, 16:34 »

Ughhh what book is he talking about
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #47 on: 11 Aug 2020, 16:36 »

The second book in the Grand Deimos Palace trilogy.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #48 on: 11 Aug 2020, 18:29 »

Comic.

Clinton...?

"I'm definitely attracted to her, but I don't know if that constitutes a crush."

Check me if I'm wrong on this, but isn't that essentially the definition of a crush?
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Re: WCDT Strips 4326-4330 (10-15 August 2020)
« Reply #49 on: 11 Aug 2020, 18:40 »

I... feel that there's a difference, but I'm finding it hard to put into words.

Most people are attracted to the people they have one-night stands with, but they don't necessarily have crushes on them.
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