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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #50 on: 24 Jun 2021, 01:04 »

huh.  who's the guy on the left, new character?

I think his name is Steve and he works as a bartender at a weird theme bar?
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #51 on: 24 Jun 2021, 01:05 »

Is it just my screen or do some of the panels seem to have harsher aliasing on the line work than others?
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #52 on: 24 Jun 2021, 02:19 »

It's a bit of a running gag on the WCDT that whenever Marten shows up, we wonder who that mysterious gentleman is (since he doesn't appear as often anymore).

Yeah, a running in-joke that fell flat and stopped even being worthy of an eye-roll about two years ago.

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #53 on: 24 Jun 2021, 04:19 »

I still think it's funny, honestly.

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #54 on: 24 Jun 2021, 07:27 »

Patrol. The word you want is 'patrol'. Always on the lookout for aliens, time-travelers, and espers.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #55 on: 24 Jun 2021, 09:38 »

I still think it's funny, honestly.

Honestly, I never thought it was funny myself.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #56 on: 24 Jun 2021, 10:43 »

Perhaps Bubbles' threat detection did not wake up because Beepatrice was brought in by one of the house members?  Would have been different for un-escorted strangers.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #57 on: 24 Jun 2021, 15:10 »

People bringing guests home is nothing out of the ordinary. Now, if Beeps had wandered in at 2 in the morning...
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« Reply #58 on: 24 Jun 2021, 15:28 »

People bringing guests home is nothing out of the ordinary. Now, if Beeps had wandered in at 2 in the morning...
They’d have obliviously asked ‘Hannelore’ what woke her up that early and only realised their error after they were back in bed…
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« Reply #59 on: 24 Jun 2021, 18:35 »

It's just as well his last comment wasn't going to be "your anatomy", or we'd be calling them Tijuanas...
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #60 on: 24 Jun 2021, 18:36 »

New comic.

Well, that's interesting. We were wondering if Pintsize's new body would cause him to change his behavior, and indeed it has. Which is quite fascinating when you think about it. For an AI, how much of their personality is their programming, and how much their chassis? For humans, how they look influences their behavior. It seems to be the same for AIs.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #61 on: 24 Jun 2021, 18:42 »

One wonders if 'Fullsize' had unknowingly activated a Decorum subroutine when the body switch happened?  :-D

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« Reply #62 on: 24 Jun 2021, 18:56 »

This is a perfect example of why I was so resistant to the original change to Pintsize. It's not just a body swap. He's literally a different character. Pintsize minus Chaos Goblin is...nothing we've seen in the comic before. There have been flashes, but he always goes back to causing trouble.

Maybe "resistant" is the wrong word. I've pretty much gotten used to it. But the point stands: he's not really Pintsize anymore.

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« Reply #63 on: 24 Jun 2021, 19:50 »

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #64 on: 24 Jun 2021, 19:53 »

This is a perfect example of why I was so resistant to the original change to Pintsize. It's not just a body swap. He's literally a different character. Pintsize minus Chaos Goblin is...nothing we've seen in the comic before. There have been flashes, but he always goes back to causing trouble.

Maybe "resistant" is the wrong word. I've pretty much gotten used to it. But the point stands: he's not really Pintsize anymore.

Maybe that's why Pintsize has changed? If Chaos Goblin is all he is - well, that's pretty one-dimensional, isn't it? Maybe Jeph wants to see if he can portray Pintsize as a more mature, more complete prankster -  rather than just "wacky hijinks", pie-in-the-face stuff. In other words, same motivation, just a deeper perspective on the whole prank process.
I foresee a more sophisticated and subtle prankster...  :evil:

Speaking of subtle pranksters - has Pintsize ever met Yay?
OTOH, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea...nope, forget that I ever said anything...that's beginning to sound too much like "crossing the streams"....
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #65 on: 24 Jun 2021, 20:03 »

I've been predicting he'd change his behavior, but not to this degree. "Tits" is suddenly off limits for him? Because his new body came with a built-in conscience? Really more than I can accept.

EDIT: Keep in mind that Pintsize once humped an espresso machine, with Dale and Faye watching, with no hesitation or shame. Go from that (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2574) to making a casual reference to tits being over the line.

Not fond of his smug, "I'm being so funny and inappropriate" face in panel 2. That's not really a Pintsize thing. Granted, his range of facial expressions used to be pretty limited, but his tone was much more gleeful and not self-aware (or at least pretending to be not self aware).

Also, is Iris not allowed to have ANY sense of humor?
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #66 on: 24 Jun 2021, 21:00 »

Perhaps Bubbles' threat detection did not wake up because Beepatrice was brought in by one of the house members?  Would have been different for un-escorted strangers.

It's possible, but it seemed more of a shock than acceptance of it. Bubbles has lessened her edge a lot since she and Faye became close so to me it's a non-reaction learned from reactions of others. Plus there was no reaction from Marten which is a bigger indication that it was OK as if he was upset then she'd react.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #67 on: 24 Jun 2021, 21:03 »

I want to pity Pintsize as his big joke backfired yet again and he's having a crisis of conscience over it.

The plus side might be him seeing Rokko and May at some point, the bad side is e have to feel sorry for Pintsize for having to mature.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #68 on: 24 Jun 2021, 21:50 »

The fuck is this? The other AIs swear without problem and May is wildly inappropiate all the time.

Why the heck was Pintsize defanged?
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« Reply #69 on: 24 Jun 2021, 23:13 »

Okay, this is basically what quite a few people were worried about. To me, at least, there is no reason why this new chassis should change Pintsize's sense of propriety. Jeph very obviously just wants to change the character and is pulling reasons out of thin air to do so.

Am I the only one who would have found it funnier and more interesting if Willow had disarmed Pintsize by thanking him for the compliment and then using completely the same level of 'appropriate language' to compliment him about his new chassis? It would have made a nice life-lesson, explained why Pintsize was trying to change and still been in-character with no arbitrary changes!

Oh, by the way, I'm pretty sure that Jeph is setting up Pintsize/Willow.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #70 on: 24 Jun 2021, 23:28 »

Stalking, lock picking, occasional murder threats... She's a complicated person!

But only to people she cares about...her OCD wouldn't let her do that when it's strangers involved.

Probably a little scary to come out of your wandering haze right next to Bubbles.

Intruder detected

That was my first thought, but her look is one of puzzlement so maybe Faye has domesticated Bubbles to the point of only reacting to intruders if the intruders are an actual threat?
For quite some time before Faye, ANY intruder into her personal space was more that likely a threat of some sort. Heck, remember the time early on when Bubbles put her fist through a wall when Faye was needling her?

It's less "domestication" than "interacting with people who aren't raging arseholes."  (And let's face it, Faye would be a TERRIBLE person to task with domesticating ANYTHING.  :-P )
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #71 on: 24 Jun 2021, 23:44 »

The fuck is this? The other AIs swear without problem and May is wildly inappropiate all the time.

Why the heck was Pintsize defanged?
Perhaps that chassis came with a profanity filter installed, preset to PG, and Pintsize unknowingly wasted his one F-bomb for the day when he stubbed a toe getting used to moving in a body with proper limbs?

Okay, it's a stretch, but it gives me an excuse to link to this vaguely related comic. (WARNING: contains canine nudity.)
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00203.htm
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #72 on: 24 Jun 2021, 23:46 »

New comic.

Well, that's interesting. We were wondering if Pintsize's new body would cause him to change his behavior, and indeed it has. Which is quite fascinating when you think about it. For an AI, how much of their personality is their programming, and how much their chassis? For humans, how they look influences their behavior. It seems to be the same for AIs.

Claire's talk with him may have helped to.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #73 on: 25 Jun 2021, 00:54 »

Nice to see in the years since last time I was active on the forum nothing's changed with regard to some people jumping to wild conclusions and forecasting doom and gloom. xD
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #74 on: 25 Jun 2021, 01:34 »

To be honest I have been wondering how sustainable the previous version of Pintsize really was these days. I think this may not even be a primarily creative decision.

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #75 on: 25 Jun 2021, 02:12 »

To be honest I have been wondering how sustainable the previous version of Pintsize really was these days. I think this may not even be a primarily creative decision.

Yeah, honestly, a lot of Pintsize's antics were just straight up sexual harassment and assault and only didn't stand out as incredibly gross and uncomfortable to the majority of readers because he was small and silly looking, and I certainly wouldn't call it a bad thing if Jeph was looking at that and thinking, hm. This isn't feeling so harmlessly funny to me anymore. I was kinda hoping that Pintsize would just sort of be like, "Eh, addressing women by their tits or whatever doesn't feel amusingly transgressive to do in this body. It just feels like being an asshole," rather than having his behavior forcibly limited by some protocol included in his new chassis. It seems like the sort of conclusion he'd come to, like when he realized having May sit on his face didn't do anything for him. That said, whatever keeps me from having to watch a now much more human-looking character that we're meant to like treat women the way he always did as a wee chaos gremlin, I'm all for it.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #76 on: 25 Jun 2021, 04:01 »

One wonders if 'Fullsize' had unknowingly activated a Decorum subroutine when the body switch happened?  ;D


Time to check out which settings he can change! 😁


I was kinda hoping that Pintsize would just sort of be like, "Eh, addressing women by their tits or whatever doesn't feel amusingly transgressive to do in this body. It just feels like being an asshole," rather than having his behavior forcibly limited by some protocol included in his new chassis. It seems like the sort of conclusion he'd come to, like when he realized having May sit on his face didn't do anything for him.


That might still happen. Did Pintsize change because of his new chassis, or did he get a new chassis to better reflect his growth? He might be in denial a bit here and wanting to 'blame' his body for his propriety.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #77 on: 25 Jun 2021, 05:31 »

The fuck is this? The other AIs swear without problem and May is wildly inappropiate all the time.

Why the heck was Pintsize defanged?

Pretty sure the change has to do with the fact that Jeph no longer wants to write a male-presenting character making sexual comments towards the female cast as being funny - same reason why he also phased out Faye's cartoon violence. The comic has evolved a lot since the days when AIs were little more than talking objects that could be dismantled and used as a cereal bowl and that sort of humour isn't considered funny nowadays anymore.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #78 on: 25 Jun 2021, 06:29 »

The fuck is this? The other AIs swear without problem and May is wildly inappropiate all the time.

Why the heck was Pintsize defanged?
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #79 on: 25 Jun 2021, 06:41 »

Perhaps Bubbles' threat detection did not wake up because Beepatrice was brought in by one of the house members?  Would have been different for un-escorted strangers.
Bubble's threat detection didn't trigger because Beeps wasn't a threat.   Bubble's perception (sensorium and analytic capability) is sophisticated enough to verge on psychic in this regard.  Even a drunk 2am rando would probably get the "looming appearance" surprise and (depending on said person's reaction) either given the scare of a lifetime or gently redirected on their way.  A genuine threat (something a little too heavy for this strip, like the neighborhood serial rapist deciding he wanted a piece of Faye) would be immediately dealt with harshly and decisively, possibly fatally (again, depending on the would-be rapist's reactions and a lot of intangibles).  But this is a lighthearted strip, set in a "good" town, so that sort of unpleasantness really isn't going to happen.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #80 on: 25 Jun 2021, 07:10 »

The body isn't literally changing his sense of propriety, it is being IN the new body that his changing his sense of propriety, ala the change in circumstances and perception. As others have said, it's growing up. And honestly, I worry about folks who feel put upon by there being LESS sexual harassment in the series.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #81 on: 25 Jun 2021, 08:15 »

Apart from anything else, he’s had a literal change of perspective. As in, he’s face-to-face with everyone else all of a sudden, rather than face-to-knee.
Or knee to face if he’s being particularly trying…
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #82 on: 25 Jun 2021, 08:42 »

I was kinda hoping that Pintsize would just sort of be like, "Eh, addressing women by their tits or whatever doesn't feel amusingly transgressive to do in this body. It just feels like being an asshole," rather than having his behavior forcibly limited by some protocol included in his new chassis. It seems like the sort of conclusion he'd come to, like when he realized having May sit on his face didn't do anything for him.

That might still happen. Did Pintsize change because of his new chassis, or did he get a new chassis to better reflect his growth? He might be in denial a bit here and wanting to 'blame' his body for his propriety.

I like this notion. Perhaps Pintsize will return to his former body and discover it just doesn't feel 'right' anymore. Thought at first it would be like Roko's struggle with 'Oopsie-Guard' but this would be a more mature direction for the comic.

( is willow eating grape jelly out of the jar )


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« Reply #83 on: 25 Jun 2021, 09:25 »

I mean that is almost literally what he's saying in the strip. He's not complaining about programming, he's complaining about psychology and propriety.

He might as well be saying "curse this new height" or "curse this new perspective", it ends up meaning the same thing as "curse this new body" in context.


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« Reply #84 on: 25 Jun 2021, 14:18 »

The male experience of becoming aware you are a threat even by accident is not an easy one but it is the easier one.

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #85 on: 25 Jun 2021, 14:30 »

This is a perfect example of why I was so resistant to the original change to Pintsize. It's not just a body swap. He's literally a different character. Pintsize minus Chaos Goblin is...nothing we've seen in the comic before. There have been flashes, but he always goes back to causing trouble.

Maybe "resistant" is the wrong word. I've pretty much gotten used to it. But the point stands: he's not really Pintsize anymore.

Personal growth and change are major themes of the comic. Pintsize has been showing signs of growing up for quite a while now.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #86 on: 25 Jun 2021, 16:39 »

Okay, this is basically what quite a few people were worried about. To me, at least, there is no reason why this new chassis should change Pintsize's sense of propriety. Jeph very obviously just wants to change the character and is pulling reasons out of thin air to do so.

Am I the only one who would have found it funnier and more interesting if Willow had disarmed Pintsize by thanking him for the compliment and then using completely the same level of 'appropriate language' to compliment him about his new chassis? It would have made a nice life-lesson, explained why Pintsize was trying to change and still been in-character with no arbitrary changes!

I can't really imagine old Pintsize reacting negatively/uncomfortably even if someone had complimented him using derogatory language, to be honest.


The body isn't literally changing his sense of propriety, it is being IN the new body that his changing his sense of propriety, ala the change in circumstances and perception. As others have said, it's growing up. And honestly, I worry about folks who feel put upon by there being LESS sexual harassment in the series.

Pintsize wasn't around much, so we didn't see much sexual harassment from him anyway. I'm just not looking forward to the storyline about growing out of sexual harassment. It's not an objectively terrible storyline, I just personally find it kind of exhausting.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #87 on: 25 Jun 2021, 18:25 »

It's also the case that the strip itself has matured as well.  Chaos Goblin being lewd and offensive and getting punted to the Moon with a hearty "DARLING NO BAKA!" is just sooooo played out.  And also much more extreme Looney Toons "cartoon physics" than what the current state of the QC-verse can accommodate.  Back when this strip first began, when it was decidedly more cartoony, you probably could have had Pintsize pull off the Wile E. Coyote schtick of running off a cliff and successfully treading air until he happened to look down and realize his predicament...but now?  Even in his old chassis, no.  By abandoning that chassis, he is (and Jeph is) abandoning that cartoon-physics "plot armor" invulnerability.  Pintsize is actually vulnerable now, in ways he has never been...and he's realizing it.  He can't BE that Chaos Goblin who gets punched thru a wall after poking the bear, he will actually take damage and have to pay for his repairs (or Marten will), which will be expensive, even with Faye and Bubbles giving the "friends and family" discount (unless it was one of them who was riled up enough to punch him).  In the early strips, it wouldn't have mattered.  The money for repairs would have just been there.  Or maybe one wacky get-rich-quick quest to get a million electrum pieces, which would then all immediately be spent.  The QC verse isn't like that any more, AI aside, it's much more "real" now than it was when it began, an inevitable consequence of its longevity.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #88 on: 25 Jun 2021, 19:03 »

I'm just not looking forward to the storyline about growing out of sexual harassment. It's not an objectively terrible storyline, I just personally find it kind of exhausting.

Funny, cos what I find exhausting, as a woman, is being sexually harassed and having it treated as a "joke" and no big deal.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #89 on: 26 Jun 2021, 11:24 »


It's called "growing up". 

It's also the case that the strip itself has matured as well.  Chaos Goblin being lewd and offensive and getting punted to the Moon with a hearty "DARLING NO BAKA!" is just sooooo played out.  And also much more extreme Looney Toons "cartoon physics" than what the current state of the QC-verse can accommodate.  Back when this strip first began, when it was decidedly more cartoony, you probably could have had Pintsize pull off the Wile E. Coyote schtick of running off a cliff and successfully treading air until he happened to look down and realize his predicament...but now?  Even in his old chassis, no.  By abandoning that chassis, he is (and Jeph is) abandoning that cartoon-physics "plot armor" invulnerability.  Pintsize is actually vulnerable now, in ways he has never been...and he's realizing it.  He can't BE that Chaos Goblin who gets punched thru a wall after poking the bear, he will actually take damage and have to pay for his repairs (or Marten will), which will be expensive, even with Faye and Bubbles giving the "friends and family" discount (unless it was one of them who was riled up enough to punch him).  In the early strips, it wouldn't have mattered.  The money for repairs would have just been there.  Or maybe one wacky get-rich-quick quest to get a million electrum pieces, which would then all immediately be spent.  The QC verse isn't like that any more, AI aside, it's much more "real" now than it was when it began, an inevitable consequence of its longevity.



Pretty sure the change has to do with the fact that Jeph no longer wants to write a male-presenting character making sexual comments towards the female cast as being funny - same reason why he also phased out Faye's cartoon violence. The comic has evolved a lot since the days when AIs were little more than talking objects that could be dismantled and used as a cereal bowl and that sort of humour isn't considered funny nowadays anymore.

Lol, sure. We just had a comic about firing dildos out of a cannon, May is cruder than Pintsize and everything Melon.

But QC is now so grown up you guys, we're so cultured and sophisticated now, wow, totally.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #90 on: 26 Jun 2021, 11:50 »

And here I was just thinking Pintsize hadn't gotten around to turning off any left-over subroutines this chassis had enabled in its previous life.  Speaking of which, how do we know this was an ethically harvested chassis?
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #91 on: 26 Jun 2021, 13:31 »


Lol, sure. We just had a comic about firing dildos out of a cannon, May is cruder than Pintsize and everything Melon.

But QC is now so grown up you guys, we're so cultured and sophisticated now, wow, totally.

It's not about being cultured and sophisticated, it's about acknowledging that sexual harassment jokes aren't funny and Pintsize needs a different shtick. Dildo cannons, Melon's hijinks, and even May's crudeness aren't really in the same ballpark, or likely to make people as uncomfortable.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #92 on: 26 Jun 2021, 19:30 »


Lol, sure. We just had a comic about firing dildos out of a cannon, May is cruder than Pintsize and everything Melon.

But QC is now so grown up you guys, we're so cultured and sophisticated now, wow, totally.

It's not about being cultured and sophisticated, it's about acknowledging that sexual harassment jokes aren't funny and Pintsize needs a different shtick. Dildo cannons, Melon's hijinks, and even May's crudeness aren't really in the same ballpark, or likely to make people as uncomfortable.

Or it's Jeph realizing that he needs to stop going down a path with a character that will cause people to stop paying him money...I don't buy change in him at all, he read the room and saw that sexual harassment was never funny and needed to change a character before it bit him in the ass.

Sorry if that upsets people, but I don't buy a sudden change like this without there being a big reason behind it.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #93 on: 26 Jun 2021, 19:41 »

And here I was just thinking Pintsize hadn't gotten around to turning off any left-over subroutines this chassis had enabled in its previous life.  Speaking of which, how do we know this was an ethically harvested chassis?

FBI: "You recently obtained an AI chassis from an individual known as "Internet Jerry".  He is known to us as a suspected trafficker in stolen and sub-standard chassis that do not comply with U.S. software and cyber-security regulations."
Pintsize: "Oh sh**..."
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #94 on: 26 Jun 2021, 20:49 »

Or it's Jeph realizing that he needs to stop going down a path with a character that will cause people to stop paying him money...I don't buy change in him at all, he read the room and saw that sexual harassment was never funny and needed to change a character before it bit him in the ass.

Sorry if that upsets people, but I don't buy a sudden change like this without there being a big reason behind it.


Why does it have to be 'a big reason'? It's a rare occurrence that people have just one reason for doing things. Jeph has grown up and matured over the years which is reflected in his comic. The OTT hijinks, violence, harassment etc have been toned down a lot, which I am personally pleased with. Faye using Marten as her personal punching bag (and Marten being so weirdly OK with that) never sat that well with me.


That being said, it is Jeph's comic and he can write it as he sees fit. We can make our own choice as to whether or not we want to read it, and in that way the creator and the audience provide feedback to each other. If Pintsize becoming more mature in-comic is a direct result of readers saying 'I am not comfortable with Pintsize's antics', is that a bad thing? Must Jeph's motivations be 'pure' for the end result to matter?


I feel that there are multiple reasons driving the current Pintsize arc, and the Patreon income being jeopardised might be one of them. I honestly don't care. I am just interested in seeing where this is going, and Pintsize becoming more fleshed out (pun not intended) should provide plenty of good comic material over the years.

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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #95 on: 26 Jun 2021, 23:00 »


Lol, sure. We just had a comic about firing dildos out of a cannon, May is cruder than Pintsize and everything Melon.

But QC is now so grown up you guys, we're so cultured and sophisticated now, wow, totally.

It's not about being cultured and sophisticated, it's about acknowledging that sexual harassment jokes aren't funny and Pintsize needs a different shtick. Dildo cannons, Melon's hijinks, and even May's crudeness aren't really in the same ballpark, or likely to make people as uncomfortable.

Or it's Jeph realizing that he needs to stop going down a path with a character that will cause people to stop paying him money...I don't buy change in him at all, he read the room and saw that sexual harassment was never funny and needed to change a character before it bit him in the ass.

Sorry if that upsets people, but I don't buy a sudden change like this without there being a big reason behind it.

This isn't an either/or. Behind every character motivation is some author motivation for writing the character in just that way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jeph did read the room and see that sexual harassment was never funny. I mean, you say that like it's a bad thing. It doesn't seem that way to me.

The "big reason" behind the change in Pintsize's behaviour is right there in the text; according to Pintsize's speculation, which is likely to be accurate, it is the chassis change that has somehow influenced his behaviour.

Whether you buy that or not is up to you, obviously. It seems justifiable to me, but the bare fact of a motivation you've ascribed to Jeph, whether or not it happens to be correct, does not have anything to do with how believable that plot point is.

And by the way, no need to be "sorry" -- I don't think anyone else ought to be especially upset if one reader doesn't like a strip. That's your prerogative.

As an aside: it's bemusing to me that people are assuming that just because Pintsize has pulled himself up in a single instance, that he will never be crude in any way again. That seems unlikely.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #96 on: 26 Jun 2021, 23:02 »

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Seeing a ~6'5" angry yelling customer hastily step back from looming over my boss as I dashed from halfway across the store in 3 or 4 bounding steps was certainly something else (I'm only5' 5"). It was the first time I really realized just how stocky I was and that my hands and shoulders were a lot broader than they were as a teen.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #97 on: 27 Jun 2021, 00:33 »

I'm just not looking forward to the storyline about growing out of sexual harassment. It's not an objectively terrible storyline, I just personally find it kind of exhausting.

Funny, cos what I find exhausting, as a woman, is being sexually harassed and having it treated as a "joke" and no big deal.

I feel like you're insinuating that I don't find that exhausting? I said that what I appreciated about Pintsize was his lack of presence in the comic. I also do not like the sexual harassment, it just had less focus than this is about to.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #98 on: 27 Jun 2021, 08:10 »

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This is why I don't like change. It changes things.

It's going to take me a while to get used to a Pintsize with some maturity but I welcome the opportunity.
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Re: WCDT June 21st - June 25th (4551-4555)
« Reply #99 on: 27 Jun 2021, 11:12 »

Seeing a ~6'5" angry yelling customer hastily step back from looming over my boss as I dashed from halfway across the store in 3 or 4 bounding steps was certainly something else (I'm only5' 5"). It was the first time I really realized just how stocky I was and that my hands and shoulders were a lot broader than they were as a teen.

I'm now visualizing you as a Tolkien-type Dwarf.
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