Topic: WCDT Oct 11 - Oct 15 (4631-4635) (Read 14687 times)

shanejayell · « **on:** 10 Oct 2021, 20:06 »

New Comic!

Poor Claire. I like Dora's comment.... perky coworkers are just a pain.

Farideh · « **Reply #1 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 20:06 »

I feel Claire's pain (kinda). Starting a new job in any profession is HARD.

Source: I started a new job today.

shanejayell · « **Reply #2 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 20:23 »

Quote from: Farideh on 10 Oct 2021, 20:06

Source: I started a new job today.

Congrats! Good luck!

Tova · « **Reply #3 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 22:29 »

FFTs are hard.

BenRG · « **Reply #4 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 23:13 »

I'd forgotten how experienced Dora is. It's unlikely that Claire will have any second thoughts, worries, neuroses and outright neuroses about this that Dora will not have encountered before!

oddtail · « **Reply #5 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 23:16 »

I really like Dora's reaction.

And Claire... it's good to appreciate what you have, but it's unrealistic to always do that at 100%, all the time. Comparing yourself to others is madness, and it doesn't actually help people who are in a tougher or less appealing situation. Guilt-tripping yourself in a "I have a headache, but there are people out there living with chronic pain" way is not healthy for anyone. You're still having a headache, it still sucks, and it's OK to feel crappy about it.

It's OK to hate your job. In fact, I'd say it's way underrated as a feeling. It's a JOB. It's not guaranteed to be satisfying or fulfilling, it's a way to make money first and foremost. People who genuinely love what they do are few and far between, and it's a form of privilege.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #6 on:** 10 Oct 2021, 23:40 »

Quote from: Tova on 10 Oct 2021, 22:29

FFTs are hard.

The only meaning I know for FFT doesn't fit unless I've missed something big (which has happened before).

Tova · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 01:26 »

First F*cking Times.

artag · « **Reply #8 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 04:33 »

Quote from: oddtail on 10 Oct 2021, 23:16

I really like Dora's reaction.

Dora is lovely

Gyrre · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 05:13 »

The only things worse than a coworking giving 100% are the ones that are clueless and act like they know everything, and the ones that won't even try.

dutchrvl · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 06:20 »

Quote from: oddtail on 10 Oct 2021, 23:16

It's OK to hate your job. In fact, I'd say it's way underrated as a feeling. It's a JOB. It's not guaranteed to be satisfying or fulfilling, it's a way to make money first and foremost. People who genuinely love what they do are few and far between, and it's a form of privilege.

Well.....yes, loving what you do is certainly a form of privilege, but there is a lot of ground between hate and satisfaction/fulfillment.
I'm not sure I'd say it's OK to hate your job, but I do agree it's not something you should feel guilty/bad about, if you don't or haven't had any opportunity to find something else you may like better.

Also, of course you don't need to love your job to be good at it, especially if you're smart about maintaining good career prospects. Hating your job is unlikely to result in a good performance though.

oddtail · « **Reply #11 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 06:51 »

Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Oct 2021, 06:20

I'm not sure I'd say it's OK to hate your job, but I do agree it's not something you should feel guilty/bad about, if you don't or haven't had any opportunity to find something else you may like better.

To be clear, that's what I meant - hating one's job is not a pesonal failing, nor a reason to feel guilty or ungrateful or whatever.

For most people, having a job is necessary or near-necessary, and sometimes you take what you can get. But you don't have to be ecstatic about it purely on the grounds that someone out there has it much worse.

Perfectly Reasonable · « **Reply #12 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 11:08 »

Quote from: artag on 11 Oct 2021, 04:33

Quote from: oddtail on 10 Oct 2021, 23:16
I really like Dora's reaction.

Dora is lovely

Dora is in her element here.

I thought 'What about Hannelore?' and then scrolled down to see Jeph was way ahead of me.

Farideh · « **Reply #13 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 19:34 »

New comic.

Is it just me, or did Hanners go a bit overboard with the spreadsheet, cloud storage, and newsletter, considering that Dora that doesn't know anything about it (and thus didn't give permission for it)?

jwhouk · « **Reply #14 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 19:51 »

I suspect it was a case of Hanners suggested something, Dora said “yeah whatevs” and then what you’d expect happened.

shanejayell · « **Reply #15 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 19:51 »

Dora may own the place, but Hanners is probably running it.

No one bring up how like her Mom Hanners is.....

Tyr · « **Reply #16 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 19:52 »

I think that Dora has pretty much given post-facto permission, here.

She clearly thinks the spreadsheet is a good idea, since she seems disappointed that she (to her knowledge) didn't have access to it, and the Newsletter isn't new information to her since she puts up the weak defense that her spam filter keeps eating it. The cloud storage is perhaps a bit iffy, and Hannelore maaaybe needs a redefinition of job title/role, since she's done all this organization...

Pennelope took over from Faye as Assistant Manager, but she hasn't been seen in a while... did the allosaurus get her, too?

Tova · « **Reply #17 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 20:23 »

That's taking initiative. Exceeds expectations.

BenRG · « **Reply #18 on:** 11 Oct 2021, 23:04 »

I suspect that we're going to get a series of strips where Dora asks various friends: "Am I so self absorbed that I don't bother to pay attention to what my employees are doing?"

I expect that the answer will be 'yes', especially from Penny.

Meanwhile I suspect that Hannelore needs to learn the importance of physically talking to your boss about stuff because they only notice most emails if it isn't very obviously a criss that needs to be fixed now. Maybe not even then. This is a personal experience of mine despite the fact that we have a business email system where I work so, unlike Hannelore, I'm not communicating everything to his personal email!

Scarlet Manuka · « **Reply #19 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 03:12 »

Quote from: Tyr on 11 Oct 2021, 19:52

and the Newsletter isn't new information to her since she puts up the weak defense that her spam filter keeps eating it.

I'm pretty certain that is just a white lie designed to cover up the fact that Dora did not in fact know (or at least remember) about the newsletter either.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #20 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 04:22 »

I think it’s more that Dora just doesn’t bother with the newsletters, and probably has them all neatly filed in a folder labelled “newsletters - important” by a rule she set up and forgot about.

Timemaster · « **Reply #21 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 04:48 »

I think it rather went like this:

Hanners: „I could put up a cloud storage for important or interesting docs. And a newsletter to keep everyone informed about it.“

Emily & Dale: „We don’t have that?“

Penny: -frowns-

Dora (distracted): „Yeah, okay, whatever.“

Hanners: „On it!“

dutchrvl · « **Reply #22 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 06:41 »

Quote from: Farideh on 11 Oct 2021, 19:34

New comic.

Is it just me, or did Hanners go a bit overboard with the spreadsheet, cloud storage, and newsletter, considering that Dora that doesn't know anything about it (and thus didn't give permission for it)?

Well.....making a spreadsheet of regulars and their orders is just good initiative and not something your boss needs to give you permission for. I'd file that under taking initiative.
Setting up cloud storage for the shop is a bit more questionable, to me that seems something the boss would definitely need to be aware of and give permission for. And even if you set it up (could be just a dropbox or something simple) with important info, then it's not something to only communicate over a newsletter.....

So...bit of both I guess?

Also, given Dora's background in website design, I am not entirely convinced of her not thinking of things like cloud storage, IF it could be useful for the shop.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #23 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 07:37 »

Hannelore’s cloud storage is a literal cloud (of nanites, in a vacuum, in space) because Station said he had a spare petabyte or twelve she could use. .

notStanley · « **Reply #24 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 11:55 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 12 Oct 2021, 07:37

Hannelore’s cloud storage is a literal cloud (of nanites, in a vacuum, in space) because Station said he had a spare petabyte or twelve she could use. .

On one hand, a favor from Station does not cost the shop anything, so no reason for explicit permission from Dora. On the other hand, business tasks should be under business accounts with approved user access for proper hand-off & continuity. On the gripping hand we do not want to embarrass Dora tooo much about how out-dated her web-mistress skills have become.

Perfectly Reasonable · « **Reply #25 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 15:01 »

My web skills were top-line in 1998.

( i want doras spam filter )

Farideh · « **Reply #26 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 19:27 »

New comic.

Bye bye Dale

shanejayell · « **Reply #27 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 19:34 »

Hey, newsletter. Cool.

Farideh · « **Reply #28 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 19:50 »

Upon rereading the comic: is this the first time that we see Claire's full name (Claire Camilla Augustus)?

badbum61 · « **Reply #29 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 19:57 »

"Cantilever note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

(N.B. Pun may not work in countries that don't pronounce 'lever' PROPERLY to rhyme with "fever", not "leather")

badbum61 · « **Reply #30 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 20:02 »

Quote from: Farideh on 12 Oct 2021, 19:50

Upon rereading the comic: is this the first time that we see Claire's full name (Claire Camilla Augustus)?

Has Claire's "dead name" ever been mentioned? I wonder if it, too, started with CL like Claire and Clinton?
(In school, I knew a family where all seven kids' names were alliterative...)

Farideh · « **Reply #31 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 20:09 »

Quote from: badbum61 on 12 Oct 2021, 20:02

Quote from: Farideh on 12 Oct 2021, 19:50
Upon rereading the comic: is this the first time that we see Claire's full name (Claire Camilla Augustus)?

Has Claire's "dead name" ever been mentioned? I wonder if it, too, started with CL like Claire and Clinton?
(In school, I knew a family where all seven kids' names were alliterative...)

Not that I know of.

Tova · « **Reply #32 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 20:14 »

Quote from: badbum61 on 12 Oct 2021, 19:57

"Cantilever note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

(N.B. Pun may not work in countries that don't pronounce 'lever' PROPERLY to rhyme with "fever", not "leather")

May also not work in countries that don't pronounce the "i" in "cantilever" to rhyme with "eye".

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #33 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 22:06 »

Quote from: badbum61 on 12 Oct 2021, 20:02

Quote from: Farideh on 12 Oct 2021, 19:50
Upon rereading the comic: is this the first time that we see Claire's full name (Claire Camilla Augustus)?

Has Claire's "dead name" ever been mentioned? I wonder if it, too, started with CL like Claire and Clinton?
(In school, I knew a family where all seven kids' names were alliterative...)

I can't remember it, and it would be odd if Jeph did something that insensitive given the enormous care he's taken writing Claire.

BenRG · « **Reply #34 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 23:21 »

I think that this strip is interesting in that it sort of shows how Jeph thinks Hannelore sees the world. There is a sort of "this is your personal wiki page" about her profile of Claire as well as the work environment at CoD (notice the mention of the spiders).

The service ferret is a reminder of just how weird this town is!

ihaveavoice · « **Reply #35 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 23:35 »

Quote from: Tova on 12 Oct 2021, 20:14

Quote from: badbum61 on 12 Oct 2021, 19:57
"Cantilever note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

(N.B. Pun may not work in countries that don't pronounce 'lever' PROPERLY to rhyme with "fever", not "leather")

May also not work in countries that don't pronounce the "i" in "cantilever" to rhyme with "eye".

I feel like the pun was meant to work with an "uh/ih" kind of sound for the "i"? I can't make the "eye" sound make sense in the word in any accent I try.

Tova · « **Reply #36 on:** 12 Oct 2021, 23:46 »

"Can't I leave a note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

If you can explain how it works for you with an "uh" sound, I'd be fascinated.

traroth · « **Reply #37 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 01:39 »

Quote from: oddtail on 10 Oct 2021, 23:16

I really like Dora's reaction.

And Claire... it's good to appreciate what you have, but it's unrealistic to always do that at 100%, all the time. Comparing yourself to others is madness, and it doesn't actually help people who are in a tougher or less appealing situation. Guilt-tripping yourself in a "I have a headache, but there are people out there living with chronic pain" way is not healthy for anyone. You're still having a headache, it still sucks, and it's OK to feel crappy about it.

It's OK to hate your job. In fact, I'd say it's way underrated as a feeling. It's a JOB. It's not guaranteed to be satisfying or fulfilling, it's a way to make money first and foremost. People who genuinely love what they do are few and far between, and it's a form of privilege.

Software engineer by career choice as a young lad, here. I can testify that after 20 years, it gets dull anyway. I think it always gets dull, eventually. But it still pays the french food (I'm french and live in France, so technically every food is french food in my case...), the mortgage and the tickets for the concerts and exhibtions.

Gyrre · « **Reply #38 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 01:45 »

Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Oct 2021, 06:20

Quote from: oddtail on 10 Oct 2021, 23:16

It's OK to hate your job. In fact, I'd say it's way underrated as a feeling. It's a JOB. It's not guaranteed to be satisfying or fulfilling, it's a way to make money first and foremost. People who genuinely love what they do are few and far between, and it's a form of privilege.

Well.....yes, loving what you do is certainly a form of privilege, but there is a lot of ground between hate and satisfaction/fulfillment.
I'm not sure I'd say it's OK to hate your job, but I do agree it's not something you should feel guilty/bad about, if you don't or haven't had any opportunity to find something else you may like better.

Also, of course you don't need to love your job to be good at it, especially if you're smart about maintaining good career prospects. Hating your job is unlikely to result in a good performance though.

Hating one's job tends to be primarily found in the service industry. Customers are the best and worst part of the job.

oddtail · « **Reply #39 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 02:26 »

Quote from: Tova on 12 Oct 2021, 23:46

"Can't I leave a note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

If you can explain how it works for you with an "uh" sound, I'd be fascinated.

Maybe with a heavy Southern accent from the US? I've heard "I" pronounced as "Ah" at least in deliberate exaggerations of a stereotypical Southern accent.

And since at least some Southern accents are non-rhotic, pronouncing "lever" as leave-ah" wouldn't be too much of a stretch, either? I think?

Oenone · « **Reply #40 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 04:13 »

Quote from: shanejayell on 11 Oct 2021, 19:51

Dora may own the place, but Hanners is probably running it.

No one bring up how like her Mom Hanners is.....

Ehhh there’s a lot more to running a business than just data management and an employee newsletter

Tova · « **Reply #41 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 05:11 »

Quote from: oddtail on 13 Oct 2021, 02:26

Quote from: Tova on 12 Oct 2021, 23:46
"Can't I leave a note on the blackboard to prove I read it?"

If you can explain how it works for you with an "uh" sound, I'd be fascinated.

Maybe with a heavy Southern accent from the US? I've heard "I" pronounced as "Ah" at least in deliberate exaggerations of a stereotypical Southern accent.

Yeah, okay, that works.

John Allenson · « **Reply #42 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 07:00 »

Now I want to see the service ferret.

Farideh · « **Reply #43 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 19:44 »

Comic's up.

So who gets the latte, and who the hot chocolate?

St.Clair · « **Reply #44 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 20:02 »

yes, siblings.

shanejayell · « **Reply #45 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 20:20 »

Dora: Since when did I get promoted to Mom?

Tai: I'll call you Mommy if you want.

Dora: HUSH

Everyone else: TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

Tova · « **Reply #46 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 21:41 »

Quote from: rockkevinrock on 13 Oct 2021, 21:29

I think Elliot seems like the hot chocolate kinda guy, and Clinton is the latte guy.

Don't you think it would be amusing to see Elliot sipping from a small latte cup, and Clinton clutching onto a big hot chocolate mug?

BenRG · « **Reply #47 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 23:09 »

In which Dora realises that, yes, she does have the necessary skill-set to be a mother. How could she not when you think of all the employees she's had during the lifespan of this strip? She's been 'mother' to Faye, Raven and Emily as well as (to her shock) even a few customers!

Claire is right: A polite barista in Coffee of Doom? How many times has Clinton been there anyway to have that expectation?

Farideh · « **Reply #48 on:** 13 Oct 2021, 23:20 »

Clinton is just trying (and succeeding) to needle his sister.

snubnose · « **Reply #49 on:** 14 Oct 2021, 00:15 »

Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2021, 23:09

Claire is right: A polite barista in Coffee of Doom? How many times has Clinton been there anyway to have that expectation?

Actually a polite barista in Coffee of Doom is nowadays the standard.

Raven introduced the concept and it stuck and spread.

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