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How old did you think Yay/Spooky was?

1-5 years
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5-10 years
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Eldrich time stuff
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1,000 in computer years
- 8 (26.7%)
Other/Write in
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WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« on: 05 Dec 2021, 16:52 »

Another week, another poll.

How old did you THINK Yay/Spooky was?

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #1 on: 05 Dec 2021, 17:10 »

Didn't really think about it, but somewhere between 10 and "eldritch", I suppose.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #2 on: 05 Dec 2021, 17:17 »

I kinda thought Yay existed a long time, but purely as a program and in various systems....

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #3 on: 05 Dec 2021, 18:01 »

I hadn't actually thought about it either, but after Yay told us "2 years", I thought, "Huh - I would have thought a bit older than that" - like maybe, existing a long time (in potential and capacity), but only awakening during the Singularity.*

*or possibly, causing the Singularity when they awakened?!
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #4 on: 05 Dec 2021, 18:37 »

Comic's up.

Oh Yay... famous last words. I hope it's a regular coffee machine.

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #5 on: 05 Dec 2021, 18:38 »

Yay, you know that coffee won't sober her up, right?
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #6 on: 05 Dec 2021, 18:39 »

Yay has almost infinite knowledge. Surely their is a link in their database to the relevant Wikihow article.


Re. the 'how old did YOU think Yay was' question, I always had the idea that they had been around since the birth of the Internet. Hiding in the shadowy bytes, biding their time...
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #7 on: 05 Dec 2021, 20:12 »

"Organic chemistry is truly, disgustingly primitive"   
No, no, no - organic chemistry is truly, mind-bogglingly complicated - and we still have only the foggiest notions of how these chemicals affect the organic metabolism.

...And that's another attitude that intrigues me - so many speculative fiction stories show the alien species expressing some form of disgust over the structure of carbon-based lifeforms. I mean - why?
Why would a species with a different metabolism/structure/hardware be -squeamish - about anything flesh-and-bone?
This strikes me as more like the squeamishness of our own race, going "ewww..." over the contents of our own insides!  :-P
Wouldn't a machine race be more likely to be squeamish about naked circuitry, corrosion, electrical arcing, EMP's, malware...?  :-\
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #8 on: 05 Dec 2021, 23:10 »

Something to remember about using chemicals as a crutch to help avoid facing one's emotions: No matter how good and effective the high, the down afterwards is ten times worse than the original feelings.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #9 on: 05 Dec 2021, 23:37 »

"Organic chemistry is truly, disgustingly primitive"   
No, no, no - organic chemistry is truly, mind-bogglingly complicated - and we still have only the foggiest notions of how these chemicals affect the organic metabolism.

...And that's another attitude that intrigues me - so many speculative fiction stories show the alien species expressing some form of disgust over the structure of carbon-based lifeforms. I mean - why?
Why would a species with a different metabolism/structure/hardware be -squeamish - about anything flesh-and-bone?
This strikes me as more like the squeamishness of our own race, going "ewww..." over the contents of our own insides!  :-P
Wouldn't a machine race be more likely to be squeamish about naked circuitry, corrosion, electrical arcing, EMP's, malware...?  :-\

That's a good point. Humans are squeamish about things related to our biology for a simple reason. We evolved to worry about infections and poisons. That's why we're squeamish about blood (it should be on the inside, not on the outside), about edible things smelling bad (means they're already decomposing), about sex (but, IIRC, part of sexual arousal involves essentially shutting off the "disgust" part of the brain for a time).

An AI would not automatically relate to that unless socialised around humans (a lot) or otherwies patterned on human priorities (and Yay are explicitly alien in mind). Nor would a creature not close to us biologically. If we ever meet a silicon-based or otherwise strange lifeform, our natural inclination will not be think of their anatomy in terms of "ewww, they're made of rocks" or "ewww, it's bleeding methane". We won't because it's not inherently "biological" to us, and therefore not icky.

It's almost like Yay is written by a human. Curious, that ;)
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #10 on: 06 Dec 2021, 01:02 »

"Meat. They're made out of meat."
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #11 on: 06 Dec 2021, 01:08 »

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

...OK, good counterpoint.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #12 on: 06 Dec 2021, 01:10 »

Obviously all AIs of QC happened after the singularity, so none of them can be very old, at least not as sentient beings.

I dont think AIs would be disgusted at open computer hardware. They dont have any feeling in that hardware. And its clean. Usually, anyway.

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #13 on: 06 Dec 2021, 01:15 »

Uhm, no? There were plenty of AIs in QC before the Singularity. There was a comic with Pintsize complaining that he didn't feel any different when it happened.

Found it: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1777
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #14 on: 06 Dec 2021, 02:12 »

Comic's up.

Oh Yay... famous last words. I hope it's a regular coffee machine.

As opposed to the one in Val and Isaac (not feeling like an archive dive rn)?

And binging seems to have actually brought me back to the comic pages I was referring to.

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #15 on: 06 Dec 2021, 03:36 »

Organic chemistry is not biology and vice versa. The overlap is large but they are not 1:1 at all.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #16 on: 06 Dec 2021, 13:37 »

We have Roko, who is so disturbed by the sight of (at least her own) naked innards that she passes out.  It's described as her having abnormally high body integration.

More likely, AI would be disturbed by random bits of floating code, things that could get into their programming and alter them the way pathogens do to us.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #17 on: 06 Dec 2021, 13:51 »

Uhm, no? There were plenty of AIs in QC before the Singularity. There was a comic with Pintsize complaining that he didn't feel any different when it happened.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #18 on: 06 Dec 2021, 14:52 »

At that time (and still now, I guess) the QC world of robots was still a work in progress.  Complete consistency is not really to be expected, as it would hamper further developments.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #19 on: 06 Dec 2021, 18:30 »

Comic's up.

If Cosmo isn't careful, she'll cause Yay to lose their balance and Aurelia will fall.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #20 on: 06 Dec 2021, 19:38 »

At first glance, I assumed the title of today's comic was a reference to the colour of the stand mixer in panel one, until I read Jeph's tag line and it all fell into place. Today's lesson: read EVERYTHING.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #21 on: 06 Dec 2021, 19:59 »

Poor Yay. *lol*

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« Reply #22 on: 06 Dec 2021, 20:15 »

Organic chemistry is not biology and vice versa. The overlap is large but they are not 1:1 at all.

Biology > applied chemistry > applied physics > applied math
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #23 on: 06 Dec 2021, 20:24 »

Prior to the two years stat, my personal (almost certainly incorrect) headcanon was that Yay was actually the first AI to achieve sentience—and possibly a few other AIs soon after them—but kept their head(s) down and lived in mostly forgotten servers, knowing humans wouldn't treat them well. Once the Robot Civil Rights Act was passed, they chose to embody and, having been around and self-improving for far longer than any other AI, were easily able to distribute across multiple bodies and retain sentience.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #24 on: 06 Dec 2021, 20:28 »

Comic's up.

If Cosmo isn't careful, she'll cause Yay to lose their balance and Aurelia will fall.

Mission accomplished.

Source: My cats, who are constantly underfoot.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #25 on: 06 Dec 2021, 21:19 »

Cosmo pulls Yay's pants down to the point that they trip, falling on top of a drunken, unconscious Aurelia.
Either Claire or Clinton walks in: "What are you doing to my Mother?!"
Chaos ensues.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #26 on: 06 Dec 2021, 23:07 »

Well, Yay, looks like the night for this instance is all booked up because I really think that Aurelia needs to be watched overnight for the sake of her own safety. Oh and put her in a recovery position on her bed - just to keep her airways clear.

So, they now have unmonitored access to the house: Will they succumb to well-meaning temptations?
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #27 on: 07 Dec 2021, 01:21 »

If Cosmo makes short work of Yay's pants, then they might as well end up in some of Aurelia's clothes. If Claire or Clinton walks in after that, they might get congratulations instead.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #28 on: 07 Dec 2021, 01:54 »

Are those Doc Marten's?
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #29 on: 07 Dec 2021, 05:56 »

Organic chemistry is not biology and vice versa. The overlap is large but they are not 1:1 at all.

Biology > applied chemistry > applied physics > applied math
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #30 on: 07 Dec 2021, 13:53 »

Oh. Oh my. Opportunities for misconstrument are multiplying.

In the QC-verse, dogs react to AIs about the same as they would humans, but I've always wondered whether real dogs would get creeped out by people who don't smell like flesh and blood. Sort of the doggie version of the uncanny valley. I suppose it'll be a while before we really find out.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #31 on: 07 Dec 2021, 18:18 »

Comic's up.

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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #32 on: 07 Dec 2021, 18:30 »

Clinton could presumably tell Aurelia about the Turing-Diaz maturity questionnaire. If Yay filled it out honestly that might help orient Aurelia.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #33 on: 07 Dec 2021, 18:31 »

10 bucks say that the car keys were in Aurelia's purse all along...

The purse that has also been missing for a month.
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« Reply #34 on: 07 Dec 2021, 19:05 »

Wow, I haven't seen a buttfor in probably 20 years.
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« Reply #35 on: 07 Dec 2021, 19:25 »

What's "the butfor"...?
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #36 on: 07 Dec 2021, 20:05 »

For sitting, of course.
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« Reply #37 on: 07 Dec 2021, 20:35 »

Cosmo pulls Yay's pants down to the point that they trip, falling on top of a drunken, unconscious Aurelia.
Either Claire or Clinton walks in: "What are you doing to my Mother?!"
Chaos ensues.
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« Reply #38 on: 07 Dec 2021, 23:11 »

I wonder if Aurelia will realise that Yay talks about being a terrible person and a supervillain almost as an emotional defence mechanism? They certainly don't plausibly pull off the behaviour, at least not any more.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #39 on: 08 Dec 2021, 00:11 »

Assuming that the keys are on some sort of RFID fob, all Yay has to do is listen with her internet senses, or ping the keys, or ping the car to find the keys. (Those latter two are totally possible with the right gadgets.)
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #40 on: 08 Dec 2021, 01:59 »

Hee, I always enjoy "shut up I'm a monster" "lol no, you're nice" type dialogue. I also love seeing Yay's face jump straight from smug amusement at their teasing hypothetical to WTF?!?! when Aurelia talks about her missing keys.

Yay sort of got the whole crash course in general views toward parental figures in a really short time: from mom practically being a magical being who can get them to spill secrets without even trying to mom being fallible and unable to be the one in charge. Yay would never confess to having ceded any power in their interaction before, but, well...~mom vibes~.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #41 on: 08 Dec 2021, 12:06 »

Prior to the two years stat, my personal (almost certainly incorrect) headcanon was that Yay was actually the first AI to achieve sentience—and possibly a few other AIs soon after them—but kept their head(s) down and lived in mostly forgotten servers, knowing humans wouldn't treat them well. Once the Robot Civil Rights Act was passed, they chose to embody and, having been around and self-improving for far longer than any other AI, were easily able to distribute across multiple bodies and retain sentience.

I wonder if Yay was one of Gary's little projects...  In any case, my own (and just as likely incorrect) interpretation is that Yay was built in some very private lab as an experiment to connect multiple AIs.  Whatever happened after that, they managed to escape and have been hiding ever since.  They didn't get a chance to 'grow up' the way most AIs would, as a result.

(As an aside, I suspect that the Gary Phenomenon was the actual Singularity, and it took a while for everyone else to notice.  To take the idea further, perhaps the Gary Phenomenon was the moment everyone was uploaded into a freshly spun-up virtual reality, one in which AIs are being introduced at a measured pace so that people can get used to them before they're told what really happened at the end of 1996.)
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #42 on: 08 Dec 2021, 19:00 »

New comic.

Ah yes, Yay displays all the emotional maturity of a tween. Can't wait for them to hit puberty!
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« Reply #43 on: 08 Dec 2021, 19:46 »

Yay also continues to not get 'boundaries' too.

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« Reply #44 on: 08 Dec 2021, 20:24 »

Surprising that a sapient espionage program would have difficulty understanding boundaries
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #46 on: 08 Dec 2021, 21:24 »

Surprising that a sapient espionage program would have difficulty understanding boundaries
I was thinking that a really good sapient espionage program would look upon boundaries as essentially trivial - something that only other people have to worry about.
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #47 on: 08 Dec 2021, 21:27 »

HEY- i JUST noticed that Spookybot's (Yay's) speech bubbles are completely square, like normal robot speech and have been for at least the last few pages.

Wasn't it established a while back that their speech bubbles are rounded, almost like human speech bubbles?  Implying that their speech is more organic sounding?

Does Yay act more robot-like around humans?  Or just motherly women?
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #48 on: 08 Dec 2021, 23:04 »

Surprising that a sapient espionage program would have difficulty understanding boundaries

I've never bought Yay as a character; but if you do, the only boundary they actually acknowledge and respect is "sanctity of mind."
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Re: WCDT Dec 6 - Dec 10 (4671-4675)
« Reply #49 on: 08 Dec 2021, 23:04 »

Wasn't it established a while back that their speech bubbles are rounded, almost like human speech bubbles?  Implying that their speech is more organic sounding?

It was also established a long time ago that Jeph struggles to remember details like this.
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