Jeph Jacques's comics discussion forums

  • 29 Nov 2022, 04:05
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Poll

Mistakes were made?

yes
no
maybe so
very bad
yes with low risks
and not just Roko
Sven, drink more spathe ham

Pages: [1] 2   Go Down

Author Topic: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)  (Read 4265 times)

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259

Not sure how to do an 'other' option for this week's poll. Sorry.

Oof, at least one activist website picked up the rant and ran with it. And I'm pretty sure Roko doesn't have access to Clinton or Soros levels of funding to try to scrub something from the internet.

EDIT: I should probably explain why the poll options rhyme. I've been trying to write some lyrics for MAT's blues rendition Lullaby for Mergo called A Blues for Mergo
« Last Edit: 02 May 2022, 05:17 by Gyrre »
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

citizenfive

  • Plantmonster
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 32
  • Dungeons & Dragons for Days!
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #1 on: 01 May 2022, 19:08 »

Hm, earliest I've ever been to one of these threads! I think Roko has successfully burned bridges with this and will have problems doing things her way, leading her to come to a compromise with Yay in methods.
Logged

Scarlet Manuka

  • Bizarre cantaloupe phobia
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 208
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #2 on: 01 May 2022, 19:27 »

I'm pretty sure Roko doesn't have access to Clinton or Soros levels of funding to try to scrub something from the internet.
She has access to Yay. That's probably all she needs.
Logged

DaiJB

  • FIGHT YOU
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 446
  • Utterly clueless.
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #3 on: 01 May 2022, 19:47 »

Not sure how to do an 'other' option for this week's poll. Sorry.

Not a problem. I usually vote "Other", mostly just to be contrary  :-D
But this week?...Nope. Mistakes were definitely made.
Logged
"This fellow... he picks up this tiny bird in his hands and carries its quivering little body across this busy junction -  and feeds it to his cat.
Life's like that; a complex texture of conflicting moralities. " 

Norman Clegg, Last of the Summer Wine

justaguy

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #4 on: 01 May 2022, 21:26 »

I like the idea of some internet stalker guy thinking "Oh boy, a hot lady robot pajama party feed" and getting a lecture on labor relations/employment law/ai exploitation instead. Not that they'd be likely to stick around for it :-(.
Logged

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #5 on: 01 May 2022, 22:35 »

I like the idea of some internet stalker guy thinking "Oh boy, a hot lady robot pajama party feed" and getting a lecture on labor relations/employment law/ai exploitation instead. Not that they'd be likely to stick around for it :-(.

But what if it were what was needed to prompt them to become a better person?

EDIT: While we all know Jeph doesn't read the forums, I lay no claim to any such plot points or storylines.
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

St.Clair

  • 1-800-SCABIES
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 891
  • not actually a saint
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #6 on: 01 May 2022, 22:47 »

... yup, called it.  8-)
Logged

shanejayell

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,500
    • Church of Yuri
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #7 on: 02 May 2022, 04:26 »

Yeah, never ever drunk post to the internet, or live stream. Ouch...

MattStriker

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #8 on: 02 May 2022, 06:13 »

It's something that needed to be said. Bad actors like that company have to be put on blast, it's the only really effective strategy.

Might give Roko some very unwanted attention though...
Logged

Pseudowolf

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 17
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #9 on: 02 May 2022, 09:03 »

It's something that needed to be said. Bad actors like that company have to be put on blast, it's the only really effective strategy.

Might give Roko some very unwanted attention though...

See, the company can use this against her. They use this to paint her as just some raving activist who is obviously irrational.
Logged

MattStriker

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #10 on: 02 May 2022, 09:34 »

It's something that needed to be said. Bad actors like that company have to be put on blast, it's the only really effective strategy.

Might give Roko some very unwanted attention though...

See, the company can use this against her. They use this to paint her as just some raving activist who is obviously irrational.

They would do that anyway no matter how reasonable Roko tries to be. This way they are getting what they hate and fear the most: Widespread attention.
Logged

hedgie

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,354
  • No Pasarán!
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #11 on: 02 May 2022, 09:40 »

Yeah, never ever drunk post to the internet, or live stream. Ouch...

Learnt that lesson a very long time ago.  Back in the dialup days, even.  Unfortunately, when it comes to my writing ability, there is a sort of "Ballmer Peak", so I often did so anyway, even though I frequently got the dosage wrong.
Logged
"The highest treason in the USA is to say Americans are not loved, no matter where they are, no matter what they are doing there." -- Vonnegut

_Islanio

  • Balloon animal serial killer
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 94
  • This eagerness to change..
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #12 on: 02 May 2022, 18:19 »

New comic. I PREDICTED THE "GO TO ELEVEN" JOKE!!!
Logged
oh

Scarlet Manuka

  • Bizarre cantaloupe phobia
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 208
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #13 on: 02 May 2022, 18:51 »

So Beepatrice has a five star award for excellence in dildonics. I can't quite make out her last name on the poster though. "Bottom" maybe? Seems like it would be appropriate (perhaps in more ways than one).
Logged

shanejayell

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,500
    • Church of Yuri
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #14 on: 02 May 2022, 19:27 »

Yeah, I figured that would happen....

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #15 on: 02 May 2022, 22:05 »

NO MISTAKES WERE MADE

(well, maybe Melon did)

anyway, Nelson should tell Valley Semi's lawyers to eat a dick, they can just sue

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #16 on: 02 May 2022, 22:09 »

maybe a slight mistake was made, but i overdramatically accuse Yes voters of a flawed understanding of the high law

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #17 on: 02 May 2022, 23:16 »

maybe a slight mistake was made, but i overdramatically accuse Yes voters of a flawed understanding of the high law

I gave nuanced options for 'yes'
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

traroth

  • Vagina Manifesto
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 679
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #18 on: 02 May 2022, 23:16 »

So 8 really smelled like burning electronics...
Logged
"Courage is freedom and freedom is happiness" --Thucydides

DaiJB

  • FIGHT YOU
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 446
  • Utterly clueless.
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #19 on: 02 May 2022, 23:32 »

So 8 really smelled like burning electronics...
Yeah, "This is fine."  :facepalm:

I didn't expect Melon to do anything sensible, but I think at least one of the others should have paid more attention when Melon mentioned burning electronics...

Now we get to see Melon's reaction to being half-melted - I think it's pretty much guaranteed to not be a normal response  :-D
Logged
"This fellow... he picks up this tiny bird in his hands and carries its quivering little body across this busy junction -  and feeds it to his cat.
Life's like that; a complex texture of conflicting moralities. " 

Norman Clegg, Last of the Summer Wine

Farideh

  • Global Moderator
  • Duck attack survivor
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,599
  • La li lu le lo
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #20 on: 03 May 2022, 00:25 »

At least Union Robotics will have some work to do to get Melon back in functioning order.
Logged
I am not hiding. I am maintaining a respectful distance.

Perfectly Reasonable

  • Bling blang blong blung
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,059
  • Be nice to everybody. So you're better than them.
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #21 on: 03 May 2022, 07:46 »

So many lovely colors...

Yeah, I figured that would happen....

Why has this not happened before?
Logged
What would I do if I were smart?
I guess first I'd stop taking the stupid pills.

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #22 on: 03 May 2022, 17:29 »

So many lovely colors...

Yeah, I figured that would happen....

Why has this not happened before?

Maybe this is her first time going to 11? Either that or she didn't fry anything last time, but still got everything damn close to.

I wonder if any AI end up responding to the drunk app by having thrir inhibitors heightened while their motor function and dpeech are still impaired? [That's the typr of drunk I am, "[T]he most unfun, uptight drunk on the face of the planet." For me, it's just frustrating, so I don't.]
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

_Islanio

  • Balloon animal serial killer
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 94
  • This eagerness to change..
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #23 on: 03 May 2022, 18:46 »

New comic. Melon looking cool actually
Logged
oh

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #24 on: 03 May 2022, 19:09 »

maybe a slight mistake was made, but i overdramatically accuse Yes voters of a flawed understanding of the high law

I gave nuanced options for 'yes'

did i say it was your fault that they fell for the trap of cowardice-disguised-as-discretion?
besides, last night seemed a good night for being overdramatic, all things considered

on a side note, there's the good chance of winning a suit defense here. cuz like, what's the actionable offense? talking shit in public? often not actually a civil violation

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #25 on: 03 May 2022, 19:12 »

power being what it is, that doesn't mean it won't try to make it seem so. but as much of a failure as the law here so often is, it can still be a little useful when it's technically on your side

way i figure, the honest-to-god mistake here was blowing up their spot when the AI workers hadn't indicated they were ready for that yet. which isn't what anyone upthread said. not that anyone said much, really.

I JUDGE YOUR HEARTS  :psyduck:

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #26 on: 03 May 2022, 20:19 »

maybe a slight mistake was made, but i overdramatically accuse Yes voters of a flawed understanding of the high law

I gave nuanced options for 'yes'

did i say it was your fault that they fell for the trap of cowardice-disguised-as-discretion?


besides, last night seemed a good night for being overdramatic, all things considered

on a side note, there's the good chance of winning a suit defense here. cuz like, what's the actionable offense? talking shit in public? often not actually a civil violation

My reply was meant as an aside, not an attack.
This one isn't meant as an attack, either.

[Not sure if I'm misinterpreting your tone or not. It's been a long week and it's only Tuesday.]
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

Wombat

  • Furry furrier
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 169
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #27 on: 03 May 2022, 20:22 »

New comic. Melon looking cool actually
Agreed, Melon looks dope here.
Logged

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #28 on: 03 May 2022, 20:25 »




[Not sure if I'm misinterpreting your tone or not. It's been a long week and it's only Tuesday.]
a little, but i read you, no worries. and yeah, it's... definitely a long couple days <3

Farideh

  • Global Moderator
  • Duck attack survivor
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,599
  • La li lu le lo
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #29 on: 03 May 2022, 20:47 »

Melon is rocking the frazzled look, and she did end up at Union Robotics. I hope we get a small segue in to how the business is doing.
Logged
I am not hiding. I am maintaining a respectful distance.

DaiJB

  • FIGHT YOU
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 446
  • Utterly clueless.
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #30 on: 04 May 2022, 02:58 »

Melon is rocking the frazzled look, and she did end up at Union Robotics.

Now I have this mental picture of Melon with a smouldering head, racing down the street to Union Robotics, leaving behind a trail of smoke and startled onlookers...
Logged
"This fellow... he picks up this tiny bird in his hands and carries its quivering little body across this busy junction -  and feeds it to his cat.
Life's like that; a complex texture of conflicting moralities. " 

Norman Clegg, Last of the Summer Wine

shanejayell

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,500
    • Church of Yuri
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #31 on: 04 May 2022, 04:44 »

Poor Melon. And I figured Yay would come up...

John Allenson

  • Obscure cultural reference
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 129
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #32 on: 04 May 2022, 07:52 »

Cool, consequences that last.  Melon will need at least three repairs/plastic surgeries to deal with the burns:  matching skin tones, hair replacement, and stitch concealment.
What's up with Yay?  Have they changed sufficiently that they are not monitoring?  Have they decided to wait until asked?  Have they decided that it's important for friends to live with the consequences of bad decisions?
And Roko's priorities are good.  The opinions and attitudes of people you know are more relevant than strangers.
Logged

shanejayell

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,500
    • Church of Yuri
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #33 on: 04 May 2022, 16:38 »

I'm reasonably sure Roko lectured Yay on spying TOO closely on them...

SmilingCat

  • Pneumatic ratchet pants
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 339
  • You is friend or food?
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #34 on: 04 May 2022, 18:22 »

Wait!

Wait wait wait!

Did Jeph name her Roko Basilisk just for that punchline?
Logged

shanejayell

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,500
    • Church of Yuri
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #35 on: 04 May 2022, 18:41 »

Well it DID work out. Mostly.

Scarlet Manuka

  • Bizarre cantaloupe phobia
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 208
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #36 on: 04 May 2022, 19:59 »

Did Jeph name her Roko Basilisk just for that punchline?
No, for the Roko's Basilisk transhumanist philosophical concept. There were some pointers to it at the time.
Logged

Gyrre

  • Born in a Nalgene bottle
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,259
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #37 on: 04 May 2022, 20:33 »

I know the feeling of panel 3 all too well.

EDIT: typo correction.

Not sure if Jeph's going for Banana Phone in the post post comic text, but Lemon Demon's Touch Tone Telephone comes to mind.
Logged
Quote
a real-ass gaddam sword
Quote
"Broken swords and dragon bones scattered on the way back home."

Too stubborn to die, just like the rest of my family.

St.Clair

  • 1-800-SCABIES
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 891
  • not actually a saint
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #38 on: 04 May 2022, 22:21 »

I counted the rings.  It fits.
Logged

justaguy

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #39 on: 04 May 2022, 22:25 »

I've felt this way for a while, but today's strip confirms it: I want to be Nelson when I grow up.
Logged

DaiJB

  • FIGHT YOU
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 446
  • Utterly clueless.
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #40 on: 04 May 2022, 22:49 »

Poor Roko. She just wants to not be an asshole...


P.S.  The statement "I demand to be properly secured to the deck!" elicits certain unwholesome thoughts from my warped little mind...
Logged
"This fellow... he picks up this tiny bird in his hands and carries its quivering little body across this busy junction -  and feeds it to his cat.
Life's like that; a complex texture of conflicting moralities. " 

Norman Clegg, Last of the Summer Wine

oddtail

  • Bling blang blong blung
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,197
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #41 on: 04 May 2022, 23:25 »

I think it's a testament to how ingrained the "loose cannon" phrase is in popular culture that it took me several seconds to figure out what Roko is talking about in the last panel. "A deck? What is she talking about? Or... ooooh."

That, or I'm a dummy. That's also possible.
Logged

Timemaster

  • Bizarre cantaloupe phobia
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 248
  • Master of Time
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #42 on: 04 May 2022, 23:29 »

A perfect example of the old saying:

„Bad publicity is better than no publicity.“
Logged
Relax, it's just a comic.

Farideh

  • Global Moderator
  • Duck attack survivor
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,599
  • La li lu le lo
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #43 on: 05 May 2022, 02:46 »

As my father is fond of saying: "it doesn't matter how they talk about you, as long as they talk about you".
Logged
I am not hiding. I am maintaining a respectful distance.

Hypersapien

  • Not quite a lurker
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #44 on: 05 May 2022, 06:02 »

My headcanon is that old style phone is just a case that a cell phone gets inserted into.
Logged

traroth

  • Vagina Manifesto
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 679
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #45 on: 05 May 2022, 06:13 »

So many questions...

Is that whole "unionizing" ark a reference to Amazon?
Has Roko's demand to be "properly secured to the deck" something to do with BDSM?
Logged
"Courage is freedom and freedom is happiness" --Thucydides

de_la_Nae

  • Methuselah's mentor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5,115
  • but will you understand
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #46 on: 05 May 2022, 07:41 »

regarding Amazon: maybe. doesn't have to be though.

regarding "properly secured": probably not. she's a "loose cannon" Nelson says (referencing a slogan-trope-thing), so she's... like a cannon on a sailing ship. a cannon that's loose. that isn't tied down properly. she doesn't wanna be the "loose cannon".

Cornelius

  • Duck attack survivor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,686
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #47 on: 05 May 2022, 09:08 »

A loose cannon was a real threat in the wooden navies. A ship, unless utterly becalmed or tied up to a dock, would always be rolling and pitching to some degree. Which means that a loose cannon will not stay in it's place. Best case scenario, they managed to trip it up to resecure it, or have it immobilised on its side. Worst case, it goes though the other side, or down a hatch and through the bottom of the ship. And in-between a lot of injuries and other damage.
Logged
Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul – and sings the tunes without the words – and never stops at all.

_Islanio

  • Balloon animal serial killer
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 94
  • This eagerness to change..
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #48 on: 05 May 2022, 10:47 »

Hopefully she'll notice that diplomacy isn't always the way to go, specially when dealing with greedy corporations. Attack their public image, rather than the obvious illegality or immorality of the situation.
Logged
oh

notStanley

  • Larger than most fish
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 120
Re: WCDT May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 (strips 4776 to 4780)
« Reply #49 on: 05 May 2022, 11:59 »

Oh Roko, I get the connection between "loose cannon" and "secured to the desk".  That does not prevent my mind from drifting to other activities that could enjoyed, perhaps with a fresh warm loaf of pumpernickel?
Logged
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up