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[a pack of wolves]

Such as? My point is that Funeral For A Friend are not an emo band, and from what I remember of seeing them live a few years ago neither are Bright Eyes. Yes, those lyrics are emotional (and appallingly bad). So? Lots of bands who aren't emo sing about their emotions, it's probably the most common lyrical subject. And contrary to popular belief, singing about your feelings is not a prerequisite for an emo song i.e.

I can truly say I don't give
A fuck about your money
Because it means so much to you
And all your money
Why does it mean so much to you?
You speak the land of greed
I'm talking a world of need
Money has nothing to do
With the value of life
But that's just common sense

You call me up and talk
About money
I don't want to hear anymore
About money

Embrace - 'Money'

That's an emo song. Part of one anyway, I couldn't be bothered to type out the rest. It's about greed, not love, heartbreak or anything like that. And Orchid spent more time singing about philosophers than they did getting dumped, like:

I was born in 1968
I was born in '68
And I'm born again!
Fresh face for the stencilled walls
Debord is always right here
And get scared again - cause I'm reborn
I am reborn red! red! red!

Orchid - 'Victory Is Ours'

[Decima]

Well, Linkin Park fills me with pure disgust, but perhaps they are so commercial everybody on this forum dont even count em as a band. What do I know ^~

[Robbo]

Cradle...lovely guys....Danni is one of the biggest twats out there. It's the reason why he's banned from pretty much everywhere in his hometown.

But Khar's a cool guy and I can forgive him for liking the one band like Cradle.

[KharBevNor]

@Khar: I bet you'd hate most of the music I listen to. All of friends love Cradle of Filth so I have been subjected to years of listening to them. The only songs I remotely like are 'Mannequin' and 'Amor e Morte', but otherwise I'd be happy to destroy every CD they've ever published. Yeah, they probably are lovely blokes/their music is 'from the heart' and whatnot, but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

Yeah, I was drunk. Thing is, those aren't even particularly good songs by them. I mean, have you ever heard any of their earlier stuff? The two songs I mentioned above are prime examples, but 'The Black Goddess Rises', 'The Forest Whispers My Name' and 'Haunted Shores' are other particularly good ones. Even later on they'd churn out the occasional killer like 'Scorched Earth Erotica' or 'Lord Abortion'. Cradle only became musically dull on about half the songs on Midian, and then totally on DAAD. As for Dani's personality, big whoop. Unless it really comes across in the music what does a bands personalities etc. really matter? It's the music they make, and you can't disagree that, at least until the recent semi-dumbing down, he wrote some of the best lyrics in the genre. Finally, I can always respect him and cradle, because they did work pretty hard to get where they are: they pretty much built the bandwagon that everyone else jumped on as far as Gothic Black Metal goes. If anyone should be disrespected it's obvious Cradle clones such as Illnath, but as 'Cast Into Fields of Evil Pleasure' was superior to pretty much everything Cradle's done in the past five years, they too can be forgiven. The only manufactured band in metal is Dream Evil, a fact everyone seems to forget and indeed, totally forgive. Because DE rule. I'll stop now before another tangent gets me.

[Schmendrick]

AC/DC
If I'm stepping on a few toes I'm sorry, but the fact that all their songs sound nearly the same drives me nuts.  
Guns 'n' Roses

[weevil]

Fuck you and die. The reason a lot of AC/DC songs "sound nearly the same" (though I'd argue songs within genres "sound nearly the same") is because this is a band who has distilled rocking and kicking ass into a purer form than other bands, then they use this to their advantage by rocking and kicking ass.

[Revenge_Therapist]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Just because somebody doesn't like AC/DC you have to tell them to die? You intolerent fuckwit. Again read the warning on the forum, don't be an elitist snob.

[weevil]

The sarcasm fairy misses her mark again. I'm clearly being 100% serious when I write such literary marvels as "this is a band who has distilled rocking and kicking ass." I should work for pitchfork.

[Revenge_Therapist]

Sorry the board has just been a tad bit intolerant as of late. I just don't like rudeness. If you were joking I'm sorry.

[weevil]

People misunderstanding me on the Internet, hrrm? It's a risk I'm willing to take. Oh, and good on [Revenge_Therapist] for being big and apologizing.

[Signum_Tenebrae]

@Khar: I bet you'd hate most of the music I listen to. All of friends love Cradle of Filth so I have been subjected to years of listening to them. The only songs I remotely like are 'Mannequin' and 'Amor e Morte', but otherwise I'd be happy to destroy every CD they've ever published. Yeah, they probably are lovely blokes/their music is 'from the heart' and whatnot, but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

Yeah, I was drunk. Thing is, those aren't even particularly good songs by them. I mean, have you ever heard any of their earlier stuff? The two songs I mentioned above are prime examples, but 'The Black Goddess Rises', 'The Forest Whispers My Name' and 'Haunted Shores' are other particularly good ones. Even later on they'd churn out the occasional killer like 'Scorched Earth Erotica' or 'Lord Abortion'. Cradle only became musically dull on about half the songs on Midian, and then totally on DAAD. As for Dani's personality, big whoop. Unless it really comes across in the music what does a bands personalities etc. really matter? It's the music they make, and you can't disagree that, at least until the recent semi-dumbing down, he wrote some of the best lyrics in the genre. Finally, I can always respect him and cradle, because they did work pretty hard to get where they are: they pretty much built the bandwagon that everyone else jumped on as far as Gothic Black Metal goes. If anyone should be disrespected it's obvious Cradle clones such as Illnath, but as 'Cast Into Fields of Evil Pleasure' was superior to pretty much everything Cradle's done in the past five years, they too can be forgiven. The only manufactured band in metal is Dream Evil, a fact everyone seems to forget and indeed, totally forgive. Because DE rule. I'll stop now before another tangent gets me.

It's my humble opinion that Cradle of Filth reached their "gothic black metal" pinnacle with Dusk.. And Her Embrace.  Everything since then has been downhill (Some small steps:  Dusk.. And Her Embrace --> Cruelty And The Beast..  But also larger steps:  Midian --> Damnation And A Day)

If CoF would have kept a steady lineup, taken themselves a little more seriously, and kept singing about vampires then perhaps this wouldn't have happened.  

As for Illnath, well, I haven't heard them, but I do happen to like Hecate Enthroned - a band whose first few albums could be considered "COF clonage."  Perhaps you should send me some on MSN sometime, Khar.

[Bad Samaritan]

The first thing that comes to mind is Modest Mouse. I dont know why, but every time I hear them, I just want to smash whatever speakers they happen top be spewing out of.

Followed quickly by Britney Spears, who deserves to have her large intestine pounded by a howitzer, and then be shot into deep space.

[muffy]

Britney doesn't have a large intestine, or indeed a small one.
Just a really long cervix.

[blindsuperhero]

If you're going to slag off a whole genre, at least have some idea what bands constitute it. Funeral For A Friend? I mean really, get a clue.

I've entirely given up arguing the whole "that's not what emo is" thing, it's really gone too far for it to be worth it.

Interestingly, I listened to some Rites of Spring and I didn't think it was very good.

I like Sunny Day Real Estate though

[a pack of wolves]

I don't mind too much about the misuse of the term in general, I try to just ignore it, but when people bash the entire genre when they blatantly haven't got any idea whatsoever about it it pisses me off more than it really should do.

[Robbo]

And that's why Metalheads get like they do. I might get off my ass at some point and check out "real emo" but that's at some point. Probably when I need a laugh.

[a pack of wolves]

You might find the harsher end of the genre appealing. A lot of my mates who're really into grind are also into stuff like Love Lost But Not Forgotten, Orchid, Three Studies For A Crucifixion, Union of Uranus, Reversal of Man and To Dream of Autumn. If you ever do feel like checking it out, start with that stuff.

[Robbo]

Noted and thank you. I doubt I'll ever like the soft stuff, as I wont be ambient or technical instrument driven for my liking, but heavy stuff close to Harcore should be ok.

[Revenge_Therapist]

Since By Man are a great screamo band.

[muffy]

hehe...there's a band called 'union of uranus'.
hehehe.

OK, I'll quit with the Beavis and Butthead 'humour'.
Because, not everyone in the whole world would have made that joke, at all...

[a pack of wolves]

Noted and thank you. I doubt I'll ever like the soft stuff, as I wont be ambient or technical instrument driven for my liking, but heavy stuff close to Harcore should be ok.

The brutal end of screamo is about as harsh as hardcore gets, Reversal of Man's 'This Is Medicine' is a pretty unrelenting blast, although it's rarely very technical. There's often quite a grind influence in a lot of this stuff, and Orchid have a big metal influence in their guitar sound sometimes.

I'm with you on the Since By Man Revenge_Therapist, one of the few good things on Revelation these days. They're playing round my way soon with some decent UK screamo-type bands Whores Whores Whores and Seducedwomandead (who I haven't heard much by, but what I have piqued my interest). Ought to be a good show.

[Kid Amnesiac]

I've said it before, but I don't care.

I really fucking hate Antony and the Johnsons.

[KharBevNor]

If CoF would have kept a steady lineup, taken themselves a little more seriously, and kept singing about vampires then perhaps this wouldn't have happened.  

As for Illnath, well, I haven't heard them, but I do happen to like Hecate Enthroned - a band whose first few albums could be considered "COF clonage."  Perhaps you should send me some on MSN sometime, Khar.

Agreed on that first count...Illnath are not so much like early Cradle, but more an image of what Cradle could be like nowadays if they had musically progressed rather than just stultified and sold out. Not black metal by the estimations of most, but more extreme, BM-informed gothic metal with interesting guitar, varied vocals, tasteful keyboard and pretty decent lyrics. I'll send you the great title track 'Cast Into Fields of Evil Pleasure' sometime, though I'm not sure if it will mesh with your musical tastes.

And yes, Hecate Enthroned are for the win.

[laeta.asinus]

My Chemical Romance. And... oh GOD!! KEANE!!! I want to fucking rip out that guy's vocal chords and replace them with some real brit pop. ARRGHHH!

Okay, I'm done now.

[SalsaShark]

oh GOD!! KEANE!!! I want to fucking rip out that guy's vocal chords and replace them with some real brit pop. ARRGHHH!

Can I help you with that one?Man they annoy the shit out of me too.

[Maui]

Also...50 fucking cent, what the hell is that about? The guys been shot what 9 times...take a hint dude, people want you DEAD

i soooo agree with that. Everyone is saying how amazing it is and how lucky he is to be alive. Me, I'm thinking to myself, WHY WON'T YOU DIE!!!!!!! The world does want him dead, and he should honor our wishes lol. Well, as long as he will stop making albums, he doesnt have to die, just never rap again. That'd be ok.

I think this goes without saying but gah, i could severely injure Hilary Duff. I hate her so much. Everytime i hear one of her "songs" i scream. She cant sing to save her life and whoever gave her a record contract should be shot. ughhhhhhhh *breathe*

[Praeserpium Machinarum]

and she molested a The Who song, there no excuse for that, not only did she "sing" it, she also change the lyrics because they were too extreme....what the fuck!?

[Maui]

she did???? What song?? Even more reason to hate her....geesh

[Praeserpium Machinarum]

I think it was My Generation and she changed the part where it says he wants to die before he gets old, apparently that was too much for the bitch..

yeah I called her a dog, you've got a problem with that?

[_grace_]

BOY GEORGE

he seems like such a pompous prick! his stupid face make-up thing! don't ask me why it irritates me so, it just does.

oh, and KYLIE MINOGUE. OMG. if there is anyone apart from shane warne or John Howard that i don't want representing our country it is her. I understand that it is sad that she has breast cancer, but i don't like the way they speak of it like it's some massive tragedy where thousands of people have died, when really it's one woman getting surgery. there are so many idiots that are like   -*sob* her 'show girl' tour wont go on! my life isn't worth living! *sob* -  

grr. and yes, this thread is a good way to vent the anger

[Ridicule]

Brand New
Funeral For A Friend
Taking Back Sunday

and many other emo-pop bands that a sister of mine incessantly plays at full volume.

[muffy]

All of the above apply.
Also, I just listened to some Hawthorne Heights.
Any band that includes lyrics about wrist slitting and sings them in that nasal whine that trademarks the shoddiest of emo bands deserves to have their insides pulled out through a hole in their neck, doused in petrol and then be made to ingest them again.

When will I learn to not listen to random bands that I find under the section named 'emo'? They only ever make me angry.

[Akbar]

I think it was My Generation and she changed the part where it says he wants to die before he gets old, apparently that was too much for the bitch..

Jeesh. I've always been against capital punishment, but I'm starting feel it might be justified in certain cases...

[spizzletrunk]

BRIGHT EYES, the Zutons, Death Cab for Cutie, The Killers, Story of the Year, Hellogoodbye.

[fox infrared]

These Arms Are Snakes
the musics fine, they just have a stupid fucking name

[KharBevNor]

What about Yourcodenameis:Milo? not only do they have one of the most fucking awful names in the history of rock, but they suck too.

[Skibas_clavicle]

Britney doesn't have a large intestine, or indeed a small one.
Just a really long cervix.

HOLY SHIT! I just sprayed beer out my nose and all over my computer desk! That's the funniest thing since your Libertines comment! You're fucking amazing!

[La Creme]

spizzletrunk wrote:

BRIGHT EYES, the Zutons, Death Cab for Cutie, The Killers, Story of the Year, Hellogoodbye.

Amen! Here's me and my good man Oliver's current line-up for how Conner Oberst should be killed (I also muchedly hate all the other bands except thte Zutons who, by your other choices, I'm sure I'd hate):

Step 1: We shave his head.

Step 2: We put him in a KKK robe.

Step 3: We sell him to a "rent-a-honkey-to-beat-up" shop in Crenshaw.

Step 4: We save him just in time.

Step 5: We feed him to sharks.

The only problem with this plan is that it's impossible to hold down an emo-schmuck during an attemt at a haricut. They will not let you touch their hair. Also, I don't think Oliver and I would be able to go into Crenshaw and come out again alive...

Of all the artists ever, I hate Eminem most. Have you ever heard him talk? He thinks he's black. The dilluted motherfucker thinks he's black. That, and he can't rap for ass-bagels. That, and he's a fucking redneck.[/b]

[Amsterdarn]

Step 1: We shave his head.

Dude, I don't think he'd survive to see the other 4 steps.

[sp2]

Why not just give him some prozac and expose him to direct sunlight?

[_grace_]

um... who is he? brief explanation needed. to be honest i don't mind death cab or the killers, in fact i like them... but then to take offense i'd have to be an idiot.

[Amsterdarn]

Conor Oberst is the man behind the music of Bright Eyes.  He needs to chill out, cheer up, maybe listen to some Architecture in Helsinki, and stop looking like Winona Ryder.

[spizzletrunk]

Here's me and my good man Oliver's current line-up for how Conner Oberst should be killed (I also muchedly hate all the other bands except thte Zutons who, by your other choices, I'm sure I'd hate):

Step 1: We shave his head.

Step 2: We put him in a KKK robe.

Step 3: We sell him to a "rent-a-honkey-to-beat-up" shop in Crenshaw.

Step 4: We save him just in time.

Step 5: We feed him to sharks.

The only problem with this plan is that it's impossible to hold down an emo-schmuck during an attemt at a haricut. They will not let you touch their hair. Also, I don't think Oliver and I would be able to go into Crenshaw and come out again alive...

Of all the artists ever, I hate Eminem most. Have you ever heard him talk? He thinks he's black. The dilluted motherfucker thinks he's black. That, and he can't rap for ass-bagels. That, and he's a fucking redneck.

Fuck, that's brilliant.  I've been saying for months how I'd love to shave that guy's head because of his patently retarded haircut.  I just hadn't thought of the other four steps, you see.  You're way ahead of me.

Also, another band that I forgot to mention: Sex Pistols.  I detest the Sex Pistols.  Some people were influenced by them and ended up making okay music, but "okay" is a stretch.  Nobody in that band had any concept of what a "song" constituted.  At all.

[Spike]

Conor Oberst is the man behind the music of Bright Eyes.  He needs to chill out, cheer up, maybe listen to some Architecture in Helsinki, and stop looking like Winona Ryder.

This will have me chuckling for many a days.  I guess I'm just lucky that all the "emo" kids I know aren't the terribly whiney kind.  

I hate one hit wonders.  I hate it when a band puts out a really good cd, or song and then drop off the face of the Earth.  It's such a dissapointment.

[muffy]

*whines*
Do we really need a Bright Eyes Hatred tangent every few pages?
Is he really that bad?

Oh.

Ok then.

I'll just go back to my little emo world and sulk, you horrible, horrible people...

[jeremy]

I dunno if he is really that bad because I haven't heard very much of him, but when I first heard him several months ago, I seriously thought it was a joke. My friend put the CD in and I told her to quit fucking around. =/

[KharBevNor]

I gotta get my hair cut this weekend so dont joke a bout shit like that because hair is a fucking awesoome thing. Without it we'd all be bald fuckers,

And man,m at least the Sex Pistols had a fucking attitude. At least they shocked. When was the last fucking time ANYONE stuck it to society and the fucikinbg man big time?

[mechorg]

Skinny Puppy, Psychic TV and G.G. Allin shocked.  The Sex Pistols were wuss' too doped up to amount to anything and expired before that anything could even come.

Oh, and to vent, I've been hating My Chemical Romance more and more.
My friend insists that Helena song is the best thing since squirty cheese.

[a pack of wolves]

The Sex Pistols stuck it to the man? Nah. Now calling your band Millions Of Dead Cops, that's a fucking statement.

[Inlander]

My friend insists that Helena song is the best thing since squirty cheese.

Wait, is that meant to be some kind of an endorsement?  Because I don't know what squirty cheese is, but it sounds revolting.