Topic: Albums that have leaked (Read 28482 times)

Kid Amnesiac · « **on:** 27 Apr 2005, 01:51 »

Only thing I'm going to mention is the new Sufjan Stevens, Illinois. I'm listening to it right now and it's magnificent.

MilkmanDan · « **Reply #1 on:** 27 Apr 2005, 01:53 »

Leaked?
As in, available for illegal download before they are supposed to be released?
If so, pretty much every album is leaked these days.

Robbo · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 Apr 2005, 08:20 »

I need to start getting hold of more Promo/Advance copies. Always a good thing to have in your collection. Leaks are nice, but owning it before most is even better.

Praeserpium Machinarum · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 Apr 2005, 08:39 »

Portishead - Alien was leaked and now it seems they won't release it, such a shame, it's really good:(

KharBevNor · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 Apr 2005, 09:34 »

I had Cradle of Filth - Nymphetamine and Dark Tranquillity - Character before they were released, saved me from buying them.

Man, I'm getting Wednesday 13's latest soon though, going to break my moratorium on buying mainstream albums for it. Wednesday 13 and his various dabblings are one of my guilty pleasures.

cacahuate · « **Reply #5 on:** 27 Apr 2005, 21:09 »

I had Good New for People Who Love Bad News about a month before everyone else...

Kai · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 Apr 2005, 14:46 »

I had Picaresque about 4 weeks before it's release. wewt.

Freezey · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 Apr 2005, 15:57 »

I've had the new album by the unseen for about a month; it comes out in early may. I also had a chance to get the new alkaline trio album, but didn't bother (cause I think it was the unmixed version or something like that).

muffy · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 Apr 2005, 16:49 »

Quote from: Robbo

I need to start getting hold of more Promo/Advance copies. Always a good thing to have in your collection. Leaks are nice, but owning it before most is even better.

Agreed. I love the smug feeling I get when I get stuff A WHOLE MONTH before everyone else, it makes me feel special...but then everyone who may feel jealous has already downloaded it anyway, so I'm never that smug...

Revenge_Therapist · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 Apr 2005, 16:56 »

Does anyone have the solo albu that was leaked of the lead singer form Soul Coughing.

Benn London · « **Reply #10 on:** 29 Apr 2005, 22:04 »

How about Radiohead, Hail to the thief.

I felt for the guys at the time.

blindsuperhero · « **Reply #11 on:** 30 Apr 2005, 05:59 »

Why, because it sucked?

Benn London · « **Reply #12 on:** 30 Apr 2005, 06:09 »

Oh come on, it wasn't really all that horrible.
...not too horrible anyway

...I guess I shouldn't have felt bad for them, losing a bit of money to to a leak on the internet before the album is released would not be the downfall of Radiohead.

I can't imagine seeing Thom Yorke in the gutter muttering 'leak, hack, 1337, Thief, Hail!'

ASturge · « **Reply #13 on:** 30 Apr 2005, 07:05 »

Quote from: Kai

I had Picaresque about 4 weeks before it's release. wewt.

i refused to download any songs off that album, it seemed evil.

i bought it instead when it came out.

Robbo · « **Reply #14 on:** 30 Apr 2005, 11:57 »

Even though bands make little money from album sales.

A few bands have said things along the line of: We've rather loose 10% of cd sales to downloads to have 50% more people pay to see us live and be there to buy merch.

Because cds dont make them money.

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #15 on:** 30 Apr 2005, 12:42 »

Depends what kind of label they're on. With a large amount of the music I listen to if they lost 10% of album sales that would mean the label or band being seriously out of pocket, since they're only really looking at breaking even at best. Having said that, I do download a fair amount of stuff simply because I can't afford to buy any more records than I do already so I wouldn't be buying the record if I didn't download it, and therefore they aren't losing any money from me getting it for free.

captainawesome · « **Reply #16 on:** 01 May 2005, 06:37 »

It depends on the label, yes, but I'm fairly sure that a band gets more of the $12-20 you pay for a ticket than of the $15 from a CD. With the CDs, the label, the producer, and the studio all get their cut of the CD money before the artist gets theirs.

I download most of my music, and save my money to see the bands live and buy merch.

Kai · « **Reply #17 on:** 01 May 2005, 07:45 »

I do this as well, save for quite a few cds that I just felt the need to purchase. Although it sucks because most of the bands lately have been coming here always when I can't see them. :/

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #18 on:** 01 May 2005, 08:35 »

Quote from: captainawesome

It depends on the label, yes, but I'm fairly sure that a band gets more of the $12-20 you pay for a ticket than of the $15 from a CD. With the CDs, the label, the producer, and the studio all get their cut of the CD money before the artist gets theirs.

I download most of my music, and save my money to see the bands live and buy merch.

No, it still depends. For a start, I almost never go to see a gig that would cost $12-20 (I think that's about £7-13 or something?) they're usually £3-5 (about $5-9 I think), and with gigs usually the promoter has to cover cost of PA/room hire/flyers etc first so frequently bands lose money playing them. But for the Mock Heroic 7" I bought last week 100% went to the band since it was self-released, and the same with the Narcosis/Melt-Banana split I have since it was one that Narcosis were selling themselves.

muffy · « **Reply #19 on:** 01 May 2005, 08:46 »

I've seen so many bands where the promoter hasn't been able to pay them -
the weirdest one was The Killers last year - the gig was sold out, and yet they still made a loss.

Also, another random fact - the record company takes 12.5% of the sale price for packaging. However, if people buy the album online, obviously with no packaging costs, the record company still takes that 12.5%.

Also, bands get something like £2 from every album sold, sometimes less.

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #20 on:** 01 May 2005, 08:54 »

Major labels are a total rip-off. Unless you get absolutely huge bands are better off on an indie. They also take a percentage for breakages, which is something which used to happen years ago with vinyl pressing. But they still take it out of the artist's pocket.

The moral is, listen to Albini: fuck contracts and fuck the majors.

Robbo · « **Reply #21 on:** 01 May 2005, 08:58 »

I can't help but laugh at The Killers for that, I really can't.

Dying Fetus said it all about biglabels and what they do. Very nicely put too. Yeah, must of my stuff is indie label stuff, being Metal. And a lot of those bands have noted even with downloading their sales and gigs are up.

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #22 on:** 01 May 2005, 09:07 »

"Sales are slumping and nobody can say why... Maybe it's because they released one too many lousy records?" - Dead Kennedys, 'MTV Get Off The Air'

Robbo · « **Reply #23 on:** 01 May 2005, 09:11 »

And you gotta worry that of all the pop crap with labels that love the RIAA. All the stuff the put out is only about 1/4 of what's made in a year. Or something like that, I'll have to go check the figures if I can.

captainawesome · « **Reply #24 on:** 01 May 2005, 10:22 »

I just got Illinois by Sufjan Stevens. Listening to it right now, dear god, this album's amazing.

But yeah, almost every album is leaked a few weeks, or months before its release.

Kid Amnesiac · « **Reply #25 on:** 06 May 2005, 00:12 »

I JUST got Xiu Xiu's La Foret. I'm really liking it so far. Sounds a lot like A Promise.

Hatebunny · « **Reply #26 on:** 06 May 2005, 09:21 »

A Perfect Circle's emotive...I didn't think it was worth buying a cover album that might suck without hearing it first. It wasn't that good anyway, so I didn't bother buying it.

Nin's With_Teeth, I was bombarded relentlessly by my friends who pirated the album with tracks from it, and I managed to get away with hearing only four of the songs and a few live versions before I got the album. I was trying really hard not to spoil it for myself. Buying it cleared up my harddrive some, though.

nothingwitty · « **Reply #27 on:** 09 May 2005, 12:38 »

Bumping to tell you all about two freshly leaked albums -

Ferocious Mopes - Say Hi to Your Mom
La Foret - Xiu Xiu

Indie Torrents. Woo.

Johnny C · « **Reply #28 on:** 09 May 2005, 17:12 »

Bands pretty much get the screw-gee no matter how you try to support 'em, hey?

Anyway, I got some of the leaked stuff off of A Ghost Is Born before it came out, and that just about made me pee myself.

marenpoop · « **Reply #29 on:** 09 May 2005, 17:24 »

I had heard that a new Shins album has leaked, I can't find it anywhere though. :/

thehollow · « **Reply #30 on:** 10 May 2005, 00:24 »

I got the new NIN about a week before it was out, and I had Frances the Mute back in November, and I just downloaded the new Dredg album that comes out in June this afternoon.

Kid Amnesiac · « **Reply #31 on:** 11 Aug 2005, 01:13 »

Sigur Ros - Takk
Death Cab for Cutie - Plans (sucks major ass)
Deerhoof - The Runners Four
Animal Collective - Feels
Magnolia Electric Co. - Hard to Love a Man
Iron & Wine and Calexico - In the Reins

=

Leaked

Kid Amnesiac · « **Reply #32 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 00:10 »

The Xiu Xiu/Devendra Banhart Split 7" leaked

kikanjuuneko · « **Reply #33 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 08:00 »

Album leaks are so common these days, I no longer count the ones that leak at around the same time as promo copies start making the rounds (about a week prior to release).

However, the new Between the Buried and Me album, 'Alaska' leaked about a week ago, which makes it a full month before its September 6th release.

At the same time, it would make me laugh like crazy if the new Bleeding Through was leaked, since a couple of months ago, it was pushed from September this year to February next year.

Merkava · « **Reply #34 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 10:19 »

Quote from: blindsuperhero

Why, because it sucked?

"It" referring to the album or the fact that it was leaked? I personally thought that Wolf At the Door is one of their best songs.

JLM · « **Reply #35 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 12:12 »

Not really a "leak" but the new American Analog Set album is possibly their best work.

sp2 · « **Reply #36 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 12:28 »

I am so eager to buy so few albums the day they come out that leaks don't really affect me. I'll hear it eventually, and I don't really care when.

And Hail to the Thief was weak.

nickyandthefuture · « **Reply #37 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 12:47 »

Ehhh... I used to be a music reviewer and I had a radio show, so I got my hands on a lot of pre-release records. Sometimes the promo copies come out only a week before the record, and sometimes they come out months in advance; it just depends on the label. Regardless, I think the people who leak them are dicks.

sp2 · « **Reply #38 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 13:03 »

Why are they dicks? I mean, all they're trying to do is share music with other people who want to hear that music? I mean, if you're a musician, you should be flattered that people are leaking your shit, it means they're eager to hear your music. They like you so much, then they'll be more likely to fill up venues when you're playing.

'Cause everyone knows you make more money off concerts and merch than you make off CDs anyways.

nickyandthefuture · « **Reply #39 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 13:14 »

Because the people who work at indie labels are human beings whose trust is violated by the people who leak albums.

Peck · « **Reply #40 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 14:59 »

The new Big Star album just leaked as well.

sp2 · « **Reply #41 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 15:53 »

Quote from: nickyandthefuture

Because the people who work at indie labels are human beings whose trust is violated by the people who leak albums.

But their goal should be to get that music to people who want to hear it. I don't see where trust violations come into play here.

nickyandthefuture · « **Reply #42 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 16:32 »

Yes, that's their goal. How well do you think it would work out in the long term if they spent a lot of money producing an album and then never sold it?

I know the whole "music wants to be free, man!" style of hippie bullshit is really popular on the internet, but for a full album, with studio recording and everything, to make it to the public requires more than incense and good vibes. The people who work at labels, at least the ones I've met, do love the music and want nothing more than to have people listen to it, but they're also people with bills to pay and food to buy who work really hard at what they do. They're doing what they love and trying to make a living off of it, and I hate it when people think they're acting as goddamned freedom fighters by ripping them off.

Merkava · « **Reply #43 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 16:38 »

Quote from: sp2

I am so eager to buy so few albums the day they come out that leaks don't really affect me. I'll hear it eventually, and I don't really care when.

And Hail to the Thief was weak.

True, but it did have a couple of really good songs, mainly in the second half.

And was Plans really that bad? I heard a couple of songs from it and it seemed pretty good to me. I'll have to see when the real album gets released.

sp2 · « **Reply #44 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 17:05 »

Quote from: nickyandthefuture

Yes, that's their goal. How well do you think it would work out in the long term if they spent a lot of money producing an album and then never sold it?

You act as if leaked albums keep people from buying the album. This is not the case.

Plenty of people still buy the album. In fact, album leaks probably generate more hype surrounding an album before it comes out, which leads to more folks buying the album than would have done so sans leak.

Micolithe · « **Reply #45 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 17:53 »

John Vanderslice - Pixel Revolt
Wolf Parade - Apologies to the Queen Mary
Super Furry Animals - Love Kraft

Johnny C · « **Reply #46 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 18:01 »

Quote from: sp2

Plenty of people still buy the album. In fact, album leaks probably generate more hype surrounding an album before it comes out, which leads to more folks buying the album than would have done so sans leak.

I can see this being the case with a strategic leak, if the company puts out a couple of songs so people have a preview. But I know there are a lot of less scrupulous people who would just download the whole thing and not bother even trying to pick the album up. Anectodal evidence, like "it probably increases sales," doesn't convince me that leaks increase album sales.

I would like free music, but on the other hand artists deserve to be compensated and need to be compensated.

edwartica · « **Reply #47 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 18:07 »

Twin cinema by the New Pornographers. I've had it for a month now, and it's street release dateis five days away still.

Kai · « **Reply #48 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 18:16 »

Quote from: kikanjuuneko

However, the new Between the Buried and Me album, 'Alaska' leaked about a week ago, which makes it a full month before its September 6th release.

I got that, it's pretty good stuff. Most certainly going to pick it up.

thermodynamics · « **Reply #49 on:** 18 Aug 2005, 21:11 »

Quote from: kikanjuuneko

However, the new Between the Buried and Me album, 'Alaska' leaked about a week ago, which makes it a full month before its September 6th release.

um, i've had it for at least 2 weeks... probably closer to a month.

it was ok, i guess, but it isn't worth the 15 dollars to me (it's just not my style)

Death Cab for Cutie - Plans
the death cab cd, on the other hand, is not that good at all. WAYYYYYYYY overproduced. #5 "i will follow you into the dark" is probably the best song on there.

Sigur Ros - Takk
i was sorta dissapointed with the sigur ros cd, except for #8 "gong" - it is vibrant and alive instead of sleepy like the rest of the album. yes, i realize it is sigur ros, but agaetis byjurn (or however the fuck it's spelled) was alive in that sense.... maybe i'm just retarded.

i have half of the magnolia electric cd... i like it so far.

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Author Topic: Albums that have leaked (Read 28482 times)

Kid Amnesiac

MilkmanDan

Robbo

Praeserpium Machinarum

cacahuate

Freezey

Revenge_Therapist

Benn London

blindsuperhero

Benn London

ASturge

Robbo

captainawesome

Robbo

Robbo

captainawesome

Kid Amnesiac

Hatebunny

nothingwitty

marenpoop

Kid Amnesiac

Kid Amnesiac

kikanjuuneko

Merkava

sp2

sp2

Peck

sp2

Merkava

sp2

Micolithe

edwartica

thermodynamics