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heretic

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« on: 25 May 2005, 08:33 »

i don't care what you say jeph, jam bands make me happy. 46 days in the hole makes me want to do the hippie dance. i guess it appeals mostly to us hippies though. it helps if you blaze first, course that helps most things...
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« Reply #1 on: 25 May 2005, 08:39 »

jam bands that make me happy : dead ones.

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« Reply #2 on: 25 May 2005, 08:41 »

46 days also makes me very happy. Phish rocks and I cried when it was over. And I'm not a hippie....and I don't do drugs....stop laughing!
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« Reply #3 on: 25 May 2005, 09:16 »

I like this. Saying "I like jam bands" is much better than saying "Jeph is wrong, jam bands are good."
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« Reply #4 on: 25 May 2005, 10:03 »

thanks, i try to think of forums as a place to put your opinion, not a place to tell people thiers are wrong. i too cried when phish kicked the bucket, but better to burn out bright and all that
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« Reply #5 on: 25 May 2005, 10:22 »

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i too cried when phish kicked the bucket


I shed tears, too, but they were tears of joy.  I really can't stand Phish.  They're like a poor photocopy of the Grateful Dead, and the Dead weren't even all that great.  People nowadays are obsessed with them just because Jerry Garcia is dead and has an ice cream flavor named after him.  

Oh crap, I blasphemed again.
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« Reply #6 on: 25 May 2005, 10:23 »

This thread is much better than the "Jeph is wrong" one.  There is a right way and a wrong way to put things

I'm a big fan of jam bands myself.  There are a lot of shitty ones out there though.  It's sometimes hard to see the wheat for all the chaff.

Basically it comes down to me listening to way too much Phish.  I can certainly see them doing a reunion tour in the future.  In the mean time I would like to see more independent stuff from Trey, and collaborations, like Oysterhead.

Trey is playing Bonnaroo this year.  Along with Modest Mouse, Mouse on Mars, and Jurassic-5, among all the others.  Dirty Indhiphoppies (as Jeph put it).

I'm also a bit of a Strangefolk fan.  On the other hand, O.A.R. can slarve my dode.
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« Reply #7 on: 25 May 2005, 10:50 »

The Mars Volta.
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« Reply #8 on: 25 May 2005, 11:24 »

Bonnaroo is going to kick so much ass!! i've got an old VW vanagon camper and i'm road trippin from Maryland the 9th, sweet. only bad thing is no string cheese this year, very sad. but it's still gonna kick ass livin out of the van for four days. i guess i'd fall very near to indiehiphoppie except my appreciation of rap (unless the hiphop is in there by accideny) is limited to the good stuff, MF Doom and the Streets are favs.
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« Reply #9 on: 25 May 2005, 11:30 »

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The Mars Volta.


Since we seem to be following a trend of accepting people's right to their own opinion....

I disagree with you, I personally do not enjoy The Mars Volta but this in no way means that you cannot enjoy their meaningless twiddling.
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« Reply #10 on: 25 May 2005, 11:53 »

hahahahahahaha
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« Reply #11 on: 25 May 2005, 13:08 »

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I really can't stand Phish.  They're like a poor photocopy of the Grateful Dead


I disagree quite a bit with this.  Like 'em or hate 'em, Phish and the Grateful dead are very different musically.  Yes, they both like jamming and drugs and have obsessive hippie fans.  But that's about the extent of it.  The Grateful Dead were much more feel-good noodling, Phish are much more accross the board, stylistically.  Anything from funky jams to ballads to big ol' vaguely classical compositions.  While there are definite similarities, calling Phish a "poor photocopy" strikes me as just plain ignorant.

As for my own opinion on jam bands, I really dislike them as a genre.  Phish is the only one I've ever been able to get into, and I have to be in the right mood for Phish.  But when I am, oh man.  Those guys are as talented across the board as Zeppelin* and have more music theory know-how.  But they still know when to stop thinking so much and just play.  There've  got some really good stuff.

*Okay, none of them can sing half as well as Robert Plant.  But all of them sing at least a quarter as well.
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« Reply #12 on: 25 May 2005, 14:36 »

I really like the disco biscuits. I have found that people who claim to dislike jam bands often still like the disco biscuits.

Why do so many jam bands have names that sound like food?
-Phish sounds like fish
-String Cheese Incident
-Disco Biscuits
-Leftover Salmon
-Deep Banana Blackout
Anyone got anymore?
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« Reply #13 on: 25 May 2005, 14:39 »

No other examples off the top of my head, but I bet the reason has to dso with the munchies...

WAIT OMG JAM BANDS SMOKE POT WHAT
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« Reply #14 on: 25 May 2005, 14:48 »

yeah, the thing about jam bands is that they play 5 minute songs...but take 15 minutes to do so.
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« Reply #15 on: 25 May 2005, 15:38 »

You know I don't so much mind the Jam Bands. I do think it's cheating to forget the song. I do so much mind the hippies twirling in circles.
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« Reply #16 on: 25 May 2005, 16:03 »

What the hell is a jam band anyway?
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« Reply #17 on: 25 May 2005, 16:45 »

It always annoyed the shit out of me extensively that people mention the genre of a band more often than they mention whether or not a band is good.

In other words, I don't like jam bands.  I like music.  If music that tickles my fancy at any given moment happens to be the music of a "jam band", power to it.  It's just silly though to take an entire chunk of music supposedly in the "jam band" vein and discount it entirely.  Not that I'm a big fan of them or anything.

I guess I'm a total hypocrite, though.  Haha.
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« Reply #18 on: 25 May 2005, 16:48 »

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What the hell is a jam band anyway?

think this:
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yeah, the thing about jam bands is that they play 5 minute songs...but take 15 minutes to do so.


i consider jam bands to be an extention from the jazz improv days of the 1960s.  sure, if you do the simple intro>verse>chorus>bridge>verse>outro kinda dealy the song should only be 5 minutes but i appreciate and band that can just get lost in the music.
i play saxaphone and have played in a few local jams (and have made guest appearances with non-jam band .. bands if they want to ... well, ... jam for a set).

i've also played ska, jazz, classical, drum and bass, and many experimental type genres but playing with a good group of guys just can't be beat.  thats where my weakness for listening to jam bands comes in.

i listen to a lot of Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, but the guitar jam bands kinda miss my radar.
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« Reply #19 on: 25 May 2005, 16:54 »

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I disagree quite a bit with this.  Like 'em or hate 'em, Phish and the Grateful dead are very different musically.  Yes, they both like jamming and drugs and have obsessive hippie fans.  But that's about the extent of it.  The Grateful Dead were much more feel-good noodling, Phish are much more accross the board, stylistically.  Anything from funky jams to ballads to big ol' vaguely classical compositions.  While there are definite similarities, calling Phish a "poor photocopy" strikes me as just plain ignorant.


My interpretation of the Phish-Grateful Dead connection (and this may be wrong, but I'll still put it out there) is that Phish took a lot of the Grateful Dead feel and made it more radio-accessible.  Whether or not the musicians in Phish are talented, I think they go beyond being a "logical progession from the Grateful Dead" into biter territory.
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« Reply #20 on: 25 May 2005, 18:03 »

I only skimmed the thread but what czar said plus it seems like musical masturbation; more fun for the players than those listening, at least in my opinion.
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« Reply #21 on: 25 May 2005, 18:17 »

It is more fun for the musicians in a jam (speaking as a musician). The secret I think is if the band can make the themes interesting. And CHANGE shit. I hate jam bands that play based on a really goddam simple theme for their whole half hour songs.
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« Reply #22 on: 25 May 2005, 19:37 »

Quote from: sp2


My interpretation of the Phish-Grateful Dead connection (and this may be wrong, but I'll still put it out there) is that Phish took a lot of the Grateful Dead feel and made it more radio-accessible.  Whether or not the musicians in Phish are talented, I think they go beyond being a "logical progession from the Grateful Dead" into biter territory.


Personally, I thought the Grateful Dead were more radio friendly than Phish, and pretty damned generic. Course, I was listening to music that didn't suck.


Although I do have a place in my heart for Jam bands. Somebody mentioned Oysterhead and the Disco Biscuits, which are both phenominal. The Fearless FLying Frog Brigade puts out some good stuff, Allman Brothers are damned fine, Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains is apparently wonderful live. Buckethead Noodles on his geetar for a while in concerts, would that make him a Jam... artist? Cause most of it sounds metal ish. When I saw Primus they went on and on with songs. And I'm sure I'm missing a ton, but whatever.
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« Reply #23 on: 25 May 2005, 19:41 »

yeah man, i like pot too!
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« Reply #24 on: 25 May 2005, 19:59 »

first i'd like to say i'm really happy with the way my first "new thread" has developed. call me a dork or noob or whatever i am, but it was a cyber-ego boost.

while it may be that jam bands are more fun for the musicians, i really like that about them. i feel like with jam bands you can feel the energy coming straight from the musicians so even if it's a small crowd it's easy to get lost in the show. they love what they are doing and you can definatly feel that. not that you can't feel energy at different types of shows, but that energy mostly comes from the band indirectly, through the crowd. i feel like you can tell how most shows in most genres are put on for the crowd, but with jam bands it's more communal, the artists are playing because they want to and if you like it, great! if not, then don't listen and they'll still have a great time.
it is definatly helpful,when trying to appreciate jam bands, to be a musician who has experienced the sublime feeling you get from a really good and satisfying jam. you wind it down,(always after at least 10 minutes MIN.) let the last chord die away then look around with a big dopey grin on your face, see everyone else sporting the same dopey grin, and breath a "yeeaaaah" or a bewildered "damn, that was good"

all i know is i can get lost in a jam band vibe regardless of the people around me more easily than other types of music (this is of course dependent on the band, but i'm speaking in generalities)

P.S. Phish, string cheese, widespread panic are favs. phish was first

P.P.S. sidenote:my uncle was in charge of his college radio station and he wouldn't play phish (an unknown name at the time) cause he thought they sucked. haha
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« Reply #25 on: 25 May 2005, 20:01 »

Quote from: heretic
P.P.S. sidenote:my uncle was in charge of his college radio station and he wouldn't play phish (an unknown name at the time) cause he thought they sucked. haha


your uncle was... probably right.
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heretic

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« Reply #26 on: 25 May 2005, 20:04 »

no need to get snippy, that contributed nothing to discussion
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« Reply #27 on: 25 May 2005, 20:06 »

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« Reply #28 on: 25 May 2005, 20:28 »

other than the last part, (which i'm guessing is in a secret language only you understand) i didn't mind that at all, it wasn't an attack. if you're trying to push my buttons, you missed. give it another shot, i'll wait : )

note: if you add the smily face to the end of any post no one can get mad, it's like that rule in Texas where if you say "bless her heart" or "bless his heart" before, you can say anything thying you want about someone
e.x.    "bless his heart, he's so dumb he can't help it."
                                      -or-
          "She just can't seem to keep her legs together, bless her heart."
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« Reply #29 on: 25 May 2005, 20:56 »

I enjoy the hell out of a lot of jam bands and that's a very strange thing because I'm not one for recreational drugs stronger than Wild Turkey. :)  I think what really gets me about the jam bands that I really dig is their flexibility.  Phish and their legendary Halloween concerts instantly come to mind.  These days both moe. and Umphrey's McGee stand out to me as groups that carry out this music chameleon act.  Just listen to Umphrey's set from last year's Bonnaroo, very solid stuff.  I just don't see other groups in more codified genres being able to cover both Talking Heads and Metallica that flawlessly.

I'm also biased because most jam bands have very open policies towards concert taping, and since I dabble in the taping thing I wind up going ot see a lot of jam bands.

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« Reply #30 on: 25 May 2005, 21:10 »

I'm a huge Phish fan. I'm not a big jam band fan in general, though, because, as said earlier in the thread, I think most jam bands succumb to pointless noodling solos that just go on and on. What set Phish apart from this was the fact that they always tried to improvise as an ensemble and didn't just sit on solos. They were musically interesting and exciting. And I thought that as songwriters, they were offbeat and weird in a way that really appealed to me.

moe., and to a lesser extent, Umphrey's Magee, are the only two jam bands I'm really into these days. Moe. has already put out two albums (Tin Cans and Car Tires; Wormwood) in their career that top anything Phish was able to do in the studio. They really know how to do great song-based albums. Their jamming still falls into the noodling zone a bit too often for me, but the songs make up for it.
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« Reply #31 on: 25 May 2005, 21:13 »

does jon todd count as a jam band?
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« Reply #32 on: 25 May 2005, 21:17 »

Isn't it .moe.? They are pretty cool for being geezer-men.

I never enjoyed Phish but I like The Mars Volta, possibly because their words have enough syllables to justify the song lengths.
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« Reply #33 on: 25 May 2005, 21:18 »

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moe., and to a lesser extent, Umphrey's Magee, are the only two jam bands I'm really into these days.

The thing about moe. and Umprhey's McGee, is that they both really just enjoy getting up on stage and jamming out for 2-3 hours a night.  It's all just a big joke, Phish also had that sense of irreverance and that's what really sets them apart from the other bands in 'the scene.'  Well, that and the fact that SCI just plain sucks these days. ;)

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moe. has already put out two albums (Tin Cans and Car Tires; Wormwood) in their career that top anything Phish was able to do in the studio.

I dunno, Picture of Nectar is a really good album, and Hoist has its moments.  As far as moe. goes I think Dither is their bestest album, mostly because that "In a Big Country" cover is so devastatingly good.

edit: I saw The Mars Volta open for QOTSA and RHCP, they were the worst noise I have ever heard in my entire life.  

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« Reply #34 on: 26 May 2005, 00:34 »

Aren't TMV neo-prog or progcore or whatever these kids nowadays call it? I don't mean to be rude if they have jam roots (I have very little experience of Jam bands at all apart from all the Les Claypool related stuff that seems to count, <3 Les) But isn't calling TMV a jam band because they noodle about as logical as calling Electric Wizard a jam band because they smoke vast amounts of pot?
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« Reply #35 on: 26 May 2005, 05:01 »

yeah i never thought of The Mars Volta as being a jam band, mostly i just think of them as bad.
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« Reply #36 on: 26 May 2005, 09:20 »

I have trouble with the fact that you like Phish but think Mars Voltais bad.  Mainly because that makes me pigeonhole you as a hippie, and hippies make me want to be violent.

Very violent.
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« Reply #37 on: 26 May 2005, 09:30 »

they called me hippie for the first 4 months of college. doesn't bug me. i know who i am and what parts of a hippie i am. the free love, drugs, and laid back happiness are the parts i hope i have. plus i recycle.

why be violent towards hippies? that's like beating the shit out of a kitten that got really stoned and fell asleep in the sun. you know you can do it, but look how happy it is, and it's not hurting you, why fuck up it's world?
plus they can be pretty cute sometimes.
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« Reply #38 on: 26 May 2005, 09:32 »

P.S. i like most geres of music, as long as it's good, from phish to MF Doom to Hot Hot Heat (other thread) to the Real McKenzies (or some punk band you're familiar with if you wanna think of it that way)
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« Reply #39 on: 26 May 2005, 09:40 »

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why be violent towards hippies?


I severely dislike hippies because I live somewhere where there are waaaaay too many of them.  In my experience, hippies are politically zealous, won't accept other people's political and social views as being equally valid, and are generally unreasonable.  I like meat, goddamnit, and I don't really want to put up with a lecture about how animals are our friends every time I try to sit down with a cheeseburger.  I don't lecture them about how their tofu is probably grown in the smoldering remains of slash-and-burned rain forest in Columbia right next to their trendy expensive coffee (this is actually 100% true...soy products are bad for the environment).

Plus dreadlocks don't belong on anyone, but especially not upper-middle class white kids pretending to be persecuted.  I'm sorry, but there is a reason civilized society invented shampoo....so we don't have to smell other people's hair rotting out of their heads.
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« Reply #40 on: 26 May 2005, 10:16 »

oh oh ohhhhhh, you're talking about the pretentious poser-hippie, new agers with nothing real to worry them. this is entirely different from my definition of hippie.
>i eat meat. LOTS of it. i have many vegitarian or vegan friends but if they were to bug me about eating meat i have serious doubts they would be my friend any longer. i'll eat bunnys at the same table they eat thier tofu salads or whatever.
>soy is not always bad for the enviroment, soy beans are grown in the US as part of a crop rotation cycle, they take very little nutrients from the soil allowing it to replenish enough to be used for corn the next year, instead of having to waste that space for a year and loose all the topsoil to runoff, or clear more land. (but it useually does taste like bland vomit)
>ok, you don't like dreads, but i like them a lot, i think clean dreads are hot a hell on a hippie chick. the common myth that dreads are actually dirty and people with them dont wash their hair is incredibly far from the truth. in fact, if you don't wash your hair you will not be able to grow good dreads, your hair will be greasy and flat, and even if you use the recomended methods for dread building they will slip out over night. in fact, dreads must be kept clean in order to form solidly, they sell special shampoos which clean much more harshly than anything a non-dreadhead might use.
           it is true though, many people, once they have built thier dreads, neglect thier maintenance, resulting in dirty, smelly, ugly locks. this is reviled as much by true hippies as but non-hippies. dreads are a commitment.
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« Reply #41 on: 26 May 2005, 11:15 »

BTW jeph, i seem to remember you saying something about not trying to argue with about the merit of jam bands. put your words where your...uh..words are. pipe up kid!
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« Reply #42 on: 26 May 2005, 11:39 »

I am a fan of Les Claypool and his various projects but other then that I don't really think I've heard much considered Jam.

Oh wait, I heard one song by OAR and it was kind of obnoxious.  I think.
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« Reply #43 on: 26 May 2005, 11:46 »

yeah well, OAR is lousy (or so I've heard) so don't worry about it.

Tour Wookies (those really dirty hippie types who wander aimlessly in the lot before/during/after a show) are the armpit of society, literally.  However, since most of the good jam bands don't look anything like wooks they can't really be tarred with that brush...except for SCI, bunch of freakin' wooks that band.

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« Reply #44 on: 26 May 2005, 11:57 »

They (OAR) have some song that I guess is about poker and hear it now and then while watching poker.

Wookie is way to awesome of a word for the current yippie.  I detest patchuli more then almost anything.
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« Reply #45 on: 26 May 2005, 12:04 »

i will accept wookie as the trash that call themselves hippies but are infinatly less interesting.

i will defend true hippies till i die.

*refer to previous posts with questions on what this is or is not
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« Reply #46 on: 26 May 2005, 12:05 »

Front row at Phish...


I wish I could claim credit for that one, but I can't.  Odd how I detest the archetypal jam band fan, but deeply enjoy the bands themselves...

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« Reply #47 on: 26 May 2005, 12:12 »

ok your definition of wookie probably included a lot of my friends. i will keep my own definition and ignore yours because i like the term. : )
no hard feelings?
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« Reply #48 on: 26 May 2005, 12:13 »

plus, star wars wookies kick mucho ass
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« Reply #49 on: 26 May 2005, 14:02 »

wolf eyes/the punks/black dice are 'jam' bands. i dont really know what differentiates the jam from honest improvisation ('jam.') clarification?
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