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« Reply #50 on: 22 Sep 2005, 15:24 »

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Chrono Trigger.


Jesus fuck, guys.


Chrono Trigger.


Since when has Chrono Trigger been a sleeper?


It's not a sleeper. It's the best game evar, in evary category, in evary way.


Yeah, but this topic is about sleeper hits. Chrono Trigger is not a sleeper. Therefore, it is an invalid suggestion.
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« Reply #51 on: 22 Sep 2005, 16:48 »

Alert, alert!  Quote tuuunnnnneeeeelllllll...

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« Reply #52 on: 22 Sep 2005, 17:24 »

(is garth algar)

WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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« Reply #53 on: 22 Sep 2005, 22:22 »

Mischeif Makers for the N64 was a great game. It was just a 2D-Platformer with semi-3d graphics, but god damn it was fun.
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« Reply #54 on: 23 Sep 2005, 03:01 »

^ shake shake, shake shake!
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« Reply #55 on: 23 Sep 2005, 18:43 »

Thanks for ruining the quote pyramid, assholes. :P
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« Reply #56 on: 03 Oct 2005, 08:36 »

Actualy there's a network out there that lets you dl  old unsuccsesfull games like Beyond Good and Evil on your pc, for a fee of 15$ per month.

http://www.gametap.com
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« Reply #57 on: 03 Oct 2005, 08:37 »

Eeeeenteresting...

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« Reply #58 on: 03 Oct 2005, 10:13 »

You sir, are a god among men for finding that.
They dont have a perfect collection, but i was sold the minute is saw one thing.



Streets of Rage.
1 and 2.
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« Reply #59 on: 04 Oct 2005, 12:50 »

The conect of it was tought out some years ago but never actualy came out. Im guessing because the lack of suport from game developers. Hope they realise that this an actualy viable market.

Still, sucks that nintendo will be saving all his titles for the Nintendo: revolution.
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« Reply #60 on: 07 Oct 2005, 17:42 »

I have a copy of Beyond good and evil for the playstation which i bought for £2.99 I was in shick when i bought. I bought it becasue it needed to be bought instaed of sitting there at  £2.99. I have already finished it on the nintendo gamecube but i can't find it anywhere.  :-(. However I haven't played the playstation version that is sitting in my room.
So does anyone want teh copy I might put it on ebay as long as some one will look after it. heck I'll sell it for a penny.
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« Reply #61 on: 07 Oct 2005, 19:42 »

^DEAL

that game is awesome, buy it.
Its a fucking penny, come on.
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« Reply #62 on: 11 Oct 2005, 05:05 »

Ok I'm going to Liverpool, this week but on Monday i will put it on ebay for a penny ok.
Look under the name themightymopdecai DUH!
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« Reply #63 on: 11 Oct 2005, 17:53 »

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rez is the best game mentioned so far, followed closely by gitaroo man.

in terms of the post topic, not overall quality.


A friend of mine managed to get me hooked on gitaroo man only to lose it a week later.  Nowadays it costs around 100$ for a direct buy, he got it for 15 in a circuit city clearance sale. [><]

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I have a feeling Indigo Prophecy is gonna be a sleeper hit.


I played the demo, was at first a little complex.  But if the game can maintain the delinearity that it promises, it will defintely be on my list.
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« Reply #64 on: 11 Oct 2005, 21:00 »

Personally I feel like pc gaming has only gone downhill since lucasarts and sierra stopped making point and click adventure games.  Those games were wonderful.
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« Reply #65 on: 14 Oct 2005, 11:06 »

Hybrid Heaven for N64. Countless hours wasted playing that game, but I loved it :)
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« Reply #66 on: 16 Oct 2005, 23:48 »

Oh Grim Fandango, how I love thee. This game didn't get anywhere close to the attention is deserved. The music, the environments, the characters, the plot, all of it is just so beautifully done, and comes together better than a bukkake party. I've completed it many a time over the years, and it never gets dull.
I recently managed to acquire the soundtrack, and dear God, it is great.
Also, the Mexican folklore elements are brilliantly done, and placed within the game ingeniously. Lucasarts' finest moment? I think so.
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« Reply #67 on: 19 Oct 2005, 00:14 »

Agreed, Grim Fandango is bloody brilliant.  Just pulled it out recently.

Best indie-sleeper hit ever...Syndicate.  Finest mayhem simulator created by man, and oozing Cyberpunk flare to boot.  Too bad it's a bastard to get running in XP.
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« Reply #68 on: 26 Oct 2005, 01:03 »

PC- Quest for Glory I
PC- Quest for Glory IV
PC- Masters of Orion II
PC- Escape Velocity: Nova
SEGA GENESIS- Shining Force 1
SEGA GENESIS- Shining Force II
SEGA GENESIS- Gunstar Heroes
SEGA CD- Shining Force: Sword of Hayja
SEGA SATURN- Shining Force III: Scenario 1
SUPER NINTENDO- Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
SUPER NINTENDO- Front Mission I
PLAYSTATION- Suikoden
PLAYSTATION- Suikoden II
PLAYSTATION- Ogre Tactics
PLAYSTATION- Front Mission 3
PLAYSTATION 2- Front Mission 4

All I can think of at the moment, I know I have dozens more.
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« Reply #69 on: 26 Oct 2005, 04:53 »

Some good picks there.  Front Mission is a bit iffy in my eyes, but the rest, thumbs up.  Suikoden is certainly an overlooked gem (currently playing III,) and I have many happy memories of Ogre Battle.

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SEGA SATURN- Shining Force III: Scenario 1

whoa Whoa WHOAH, there was a Shining Force 3?!  How am I just now finding out about this?



incidentally, moo > moo2

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« Reply #70 on: 26 Oct 2005, 05:05 »

Broken Sword: The Smoking Mirror
The Last Express

...easily two of the best, albeit highly under-rated, games I've ever played.
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« Reply #71 on: 26 Oct 2005, 07:01 »

Master of Orion II has been anythig but overlooked. Same for Chrono Trigger. There were some great games mentioned, like Heart of Darkness and others... let's see if I can think of some that haven't been... from the indie games list at theunderdogs: Enemy Nations was nice, I've heard good things of Harpoon; I have no mouth and I must scream - definitely good. Nuclear War. I don't see it in the list, but a game I liked a lot was Netstorm and I have seen it mentioned almost never. Soldat is great fun.

Some others I thoguht of, not necessarily obscure: Albion, Anacreon, MDK, Emperor of the Fading Suns, Dark Reign, The Operational Art of War.

Also, roguelike games ftw. Check out ADOM or some such.
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« Reply #72 on: 26 Oct 2005, 07:09 »

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Best indie-sleeper hit ever...Syndicate.  Finest mayhem simulator created by man, and oozing Cyberpunk flare to boot.  Too bad it's a bastard to get running in XP.


Man, I only wish I had it to try and run in X.P.!  I never finished it, I played it when I was a kid and for some reason I could never figure out how to select different weapons ('cause I'd, ahem, "lost" the manual . . . Yeah, suuuuure . . . And this was in pre-internet days, kiddies, so I couldn't just Google it) so I had to do every mission using just uzis.  Doable, until the final mission.
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« Reply #73 on: 26 Oct 2005, 08:11 »

I played it (Syndicate) once at a friends house and though I've wanted to, I've never seen it anywhere again.
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« Reply #74 on: 26 Oct 2005, 12:56 »

It's on Underdogs, actually.

I had the good fortune of stumbling into the Gold Edition at an (get this) Egghead software back in the day, and picked it up on an impulse, rememebing playing the demo at a friend's house.  Best $20 of my parents' money I ever spent.

One must research the new toys.  getting stuck with Uzis isn't the *worst* thing that could happen, but you'll be hard pressed in the later missions without your miniguns and a gauss gun or two for good measure.
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« Reply #75 on: 26 Oct 2005, 16:05 »

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Masters of Orion II is under the radar.

9/10 people I meet who like video games and PC gaming do not know what it is. This is the internet, of course you know what MoOII is. Most people don't, while they would know what Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger was. That is the difference.

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How so? The game was innovative in every regard from the beggining. The latter ones in the series are even better, although I must admit... Front Mission IV, while good, dissapointed me in comparison to Front Mission III.

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Because you obviously didn't own a Saturn. :p

I used to own a copy of SHFIII:SC1, it was going for over $100 on ebay at the time. Too bad I was young and stupid.

Some other keepers...

SEGA GENESIS: Warsong
SEGA GENESIS: Home Alone
SUPER NINTENDO: Zombies Ate My Neighbors
PLAYSTATION: Persona
PLAYSTATION: Azure Dreams
PLAYSTATION: Destrega
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« Reply #76 on: 26 Oct 2005, 16:56 »

Does anyone remember http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/c5/58/700768-602807-games_cover-resized200.jpg">Mr Domino? That game was goddamn fiendish. Plus full of bizarre Japanese things - always a good thing.

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« Reply #77 on: 27 Oct 2005, 02:05 »

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9/10 people I meet who like video games and PC gaming do not know what it is. This is the internet, of course you know what MoOII is. Most people don't, while they would know what Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger was. That is the difference.


Are you serious? I'm sure most people who have heard of Chrono Trigger are into Final Fantasy, manga and such; only they have all heard about it - I doubt many people not into these things have. I found out about CT by pure chance, and I haven't played any Final Fantasy game or saw any manga except for Ninja Scroll. While MoOII is one of THE games of the 90's, for god's sake. Not that there are many games worthy of note from the 00's. The early 90's, then. Jesus, kids these days... next thing you know they'll be saying DooM orCivilization is obscure.
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« Reply #78 on: 27 Oct 2005, 05:49 »

I'm sorry, but it's just not that popular. I can see your point about it being somewhat popular, but comparing it to a Final Fantasy or a Chrono Trigger isn't really in line, in my opinion.

Also, Chrono Trigger... I did not play or even hear more than the name until I was 17. It was released when I was 12. I played Final Fantasy and many similar games from age 10.

So don't act like not knowing about it was comparable to not realizing we had a sun because you happened to only look north and south every day. :p
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« Reply #79 on: 27 Oct 2005, 06:09 »

In my experience Chrono Trigger is only known by the old school hardcores. Not even they know MoO2. I myself had only heard of MoO3 in passing until this year.
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« Reply #80 on: 27 Oct 2005, 07:00 »

We're talking about radically different gaming scenes, I think. I have been active in gaming culture since eigth years ago, and I know what I'm fucking talking about when i talk about gaming culture in Bulgaria at the very least ;)  What you say might be true about some scene, but it seems to me we're talking about entirely differnet cultures. You seem to be more about the american general geekyness culture, which encompasses a lot more stuff than gaming, and is only about games to the extent that they fit the spirit of the other stuff like comic books, action heroes, role-playing games and such. I'm talking about the specifically PC and video gaming culture.

Basically you're talking about how popular something is among this general cathegory thing you have you call "geeks", I'm talking about how popular it is among people that are actually interested in PC and video games. Obviously anythign that's not related to other stuff that is popular among other groups will be obscure among to other people, with one or two exceptions for something that really big right now. Any definition of popularity based on how widely know something is to people that don't have a specialised interet in the area is prone to be volatile and unreliable.
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« Reply #81 on: 27 Oct 2005, 07:26 »

The distinction you draw is pretty pointless considering this thread is more or less about games that the mainstream doesn't know about but which gamers should know about.  Whether or not moo2 is known among the latter group is besides the point; the point is that it should be known among the latter group.

For what it's worth, I consider myself pretty well-versed in videogame lore and the main reason I know about moo2 is because I loved the original, and the only reason I knew about the original is because of one friend in highschool.  I think I also saw a mention of moo3 at Penny Arcade,  but certainly nothing else.

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« Reply #82 on: 27 Oct 2005, 07:30 »

I thought the thread was more about games which gamers might have overlooked, because learning about which games are well-known among gamers is not that hard to find out on your own. And I'm sorry a ranted a bit too much.
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« Reply #83 on: 27 Oct 2005, 07:34 »

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learning about which games are well-known among gamers is not that hard to find out on your own.

You mean like, say, a thread on the internet?

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« Reply #84 on: 28 Oct 2005, 03:10 »

Relax dudes and dudettes. No need to fire up, stay frosty.

This thread should be about spreading the love of unknown games. So lets get with the spreading again.

SEGA SATURN: Panzer Dragoon
SEGA SATURN: Panzer Dragoon 2: Zwei
SEGA SATURN: Panzer Dragoon Saga
SEGA SATURN: Virtua Cop 2
SEGA SATURN: Dragon Force
SEGA SATURN: Guardian Heroes
SEGA SATURN: Golden Axe: The Duel
SEGA SATURN: Shining the Holy Ark
PC/SEGA CD: Heimdall
SEGA CD: The Secret of Monkey Island
SEGA GENESIS: Burning Force
SEGA GENESIS: Warriors of the Eternal Sun
SEGA GENESIS: Shining in the Darkness
PLAYSTATION: Legend of Mana*
PLAYSTATION: Kartia: World of Fate
SUPER NINTENDO: Dungeon
PC: Fallout
PC: Fallout 2

* - Despite what some people say, there is a love/hate relationship from this game. Play it and decide for yourself. It's an extremely fun, customizable, replayable, side scrolling action/RPG for me. Others find it repetitive, boring, etc.
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« Reply #85 on: 28 Oct 2005, 03:37 »

PC: Deus Ex  *worship*
PC: Vietcong (surprisingly awesome tactical shooter with really good graphic design, white-knuckle gunfights, let down only by a budget-game aesthetic for marketing and some dodgy voice acting)
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« Reply #86 on: 31 Oct 2005, 15:35 »

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« Reply #87 on: 01 Nov 2005, 04:07 »

I agree with pretty much every game mentioned here.

Some of my favorites are Beyond Good and Evil, Scorched Earth, some old school RPG's on the SNES, Fallout 1 and so on.
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« Reply #88 on: 08 Nov 2005, 06:49 »

Freedom Force and its sequel were awesome
I can't get enough superhero humour, and they managed to make a game that was both a parody and an awesome tribute and superhero game in its own right.

Startopia was great, but kind of felt like a very long tutorial.

Trackmania Sunrise is fantastic, just pure fun, feature packed, insane driving game. If you're old enough, think "Stunts" in gorgeous 3d with excellent multiplay. Great price too ($50 AUD)

Ragdoll Kung Fu, recently released on steam, is pretty cool. Insane multiplayer.
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« Reply #89 on: 08 Nov 2005, 08:43 »

The Mark of Kri.

Totally slipped under the radar, a few years ago.  EGM reviewed it two months after it's release, stating that even they had missed it's debut.

One of the most fun games I've ever played.  Here's a random review I found:


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Score: 92%

The name of Sony's newest first party gem is "The Mark of Kri".  But they could have just as soon called it "Metal Gear Ico 2: Sons of Tenchu".  And that, my fellow gamers, is not a bad thing by any means of the imagination.

You are Rau, a mighty, youthful islander.  Your heart longs for adventure, but more importantly, your blade thirsts for blood.  Needless to say, you find both.  By the end of the game, you will have graduated from performing trival quests such as clearing the forest of bandits for the local innkeeper, to tasks more fitting for a hero of Rau's calibur.  I'll avoid any spoilers, but let's just say you'll be giving a new toy a workout, and the limbs will hit the floor.
 
However, hack-n-slash this ain't.  The combat system in MOK is deep and intricate, allowing you to target and defend (and defending is a must, believe you me!) against 3-9 enemies at a time without a break in the action.  Oftentimes though, it is in your best interests to avoid head-on-combat altogether.  This is where MOK truly shines, as you sneak along walls and roofs using a stealth element that is reminiscent of MGS and Tenchu.  In later levels, these tactics are vital to success against the numerous archers lined on every wall.  
 
Also vital to your success is Kuzo, who can best be described as a mix between a seeing-eye bird and the princess from ICO (only here, its main purpose in life isn't to annoy you.).  Kuzo scouts ahead for you and is useful as a portable surveillance camera, distraction, retrieval device, and much more.  Rau and Kuzo are a team, and the game design represents that.

Visually, the game has a charm all its own, but not in the traditional sense.  The graphics are clean, if a bit undetailed in certain spots, but very reminiscent of a Disney animated feature film…until you start attacking.  Then, when the heads start flying, the necks start crunching, and the impalings start to rack up, you start to get a feel for what MOK is all about.  And I liked it.  Very few games not developed by a man with the last name "Miyamoto" can claim they are unique, even in visual presentation.  MOK can do so, and it does it with pride.
 
Audio is much like the visuals, with a few exceptions: the narrator tells the story fabulously and should look for work with a feature animated film, Rau's sister sounded like something in a Disney film, everything sounded authentic.  About the only complaint I have is with Rau's mentor, who just seemed overacted with every line he spoke.  
 
Aside from the audio, the only other problem you may have with MOK is the length: I beat it in just under 7 hours.  It may take you longer to beat all the challenges and unlock the various secrets, and there are special arenas to prolong the game, but they tend to be tedious.  Nevertheless, The Mark of Kri is one of the best, if not THE best in its genre, and is destined to become one of the all time great cult classics, much like ICO…only with more action.  It's Tenchu + Metal Gear + ICO, and only 40 bucks!  How can you resist?!
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It has a sequel out, which I've not had a chance to play much of.  It's called "Rise of the Kasai".
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« Reply #90 on: 08 Nov 2005, 08:52 »

Oh yeah, Mark of Kri is one I've been meaning to get.  I'll have to look out for that one next time I'm scanning the used game racks.

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« Reply #91 on: 09 Nov 2005, 04:39 »

Syndicate was an absolute classic. Although finishing it using only uzis would be damn hard...

OK, here's an indie-ish game I'm sure some of you will have played. Betrayal at Krondor.
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« Reply #92 on: 09 Nov 2005, 07:22 »

I didn't buy Trackmania Sunrise solely because of the copy protection used by it (Starforce). Which is a huge shame really.

Also, does Seiken Densetsu 3 count as a sleeper hit?

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« Reply #93 on: 09 Nov 2005, 15:41 »

Yes, the copy protection IS a bitch. It hasn't really caused me any problems though. Besides which, I think it's only fair for them to try to protect their product. You're missing out on a damn fine game.
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« Reply #94 on: 10 Nov 2005, 20:39 »

ogre battle
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« Reply #95 on: 18 Nov 2005, 11:52 »

I LOVE this thread
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« Reply #96 on: 26 Nov 2005, 16:12 »

I've enjoyed playing Starlancer and Freelancer, not sure if they count, but I think they're somewhat unknown (mostly because many people thought they were Microsoft Games Studio SHIT, which they may have been...).  The story is somewhat amusing in both, and the ending of the storyline of Freelancer was pretty funny and kind of hard.
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« Reply #97 on: 26 Nov 2005, 20:01 »

In my opinion, the Fatal Frame series is pretty overlooked/underrated.

Also, how many people remember Smash TV? That was a freaking great game. And you can't forget Bubsy and Rocko's Modern Life: Spunky's Dangerous Day.

And of course:

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Dude. Yes.
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Bunnyman

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"Indie" Games or Sleeper Hits
« Reply #98 on: 27 Nov 2005, 02:26 »

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OK, here's an indie-ish game I'm sure some of you will have played. Betrayal at Krondor.


An unequaled achievement in the RPG scene, Krondor is.  And I love how they released the stunning first game as freeware as marketing for the vastly inferior sequel game.  The powers that be did the exact same thing with the ground control franchise.

They made a Rocko game?  Sweet Jesus.
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"Indie" Games or Sleeper Hits
« Reply #99 on: 27 Nov 2005, 17:52 »

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Quote from: elcapitan
OK, here's an indie-ish game I'm sure some of you will have played. Betrayal at Krondor.


An unequaled achievement in the RPG scene, Krondor is.  And I love how they released the stunning first game as freeware as marketing for the vastly inferior sequel game.  The powers that be did the exact same thing with the ground control franchise.

They made a Rocko game?  Sweet Jesus.


Yeah, they made a Rocko game, It's pretty much like Lemmings, except with one Spunky rather than, you know, a plethera of lemmings.
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