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« Reply #50 on: 06 Dec 2005, 14:47 »

I'm up and down on Kanye, though unlike many of the old guard fans I enjoyed the last outing (having MF Doom on there did help my opinion of it  go up a fair bit).
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« Reply #51 on: 06 Dec 2005, 15:39 »

I listen to Blackalicious, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Talib Kweli, De La Soul -- all these have already been mentioned.

In addition, though, check out:

Ohmega Watts
Ugly Duckling
Son of Nun
Dilated Peoples

Also, KEXP.org is a great place to find new indie/underground hiphop.
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« Reply #52 on: 06 Dec 2005, 16:27 »

I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Pocket Dwellers yet.
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« Reply #53 on: 06 Dec 2005, 22:50 »

I'm surprised Fantastic Damage has not gotten more love here. Still quite possibly my favorite hip-hop album of the decade. Divisive, yes, but I love it.

As Murs says, opinions are like rap careers, though... (:

I unfortunately missed Jean Grae opening for Talib Kweli when the tour came through here. Kweli's new album is really good. Should be worth catching if they are in your area.

(My favorite song of his is still the flip to "Body Rock", I don't care what y'all say... takes me right back.)

Prince Po was gonna be on the bill as well... his old group w/ Pharoae Monch, Organized Konfusion, is not nearly rated enough IMHO. If you see one of their CDs in the used bin definitely snap it up.
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« Reply #54 on: 07 Dec 2005, 09:00 »

"I love Fantatstic Damage"

there you go.

p.s. Not nearly enough is being said in this thing about Louis Logic and Apathy and Self Titled and any other Conn. based hiphop I'm forgetting.

I've heard good stuff out of the midwest and the north east, but have yet to find any good west coast or southern rap, anybody got a few. (Keep in mind I am a  fan of complex beats and lyrics). Also, nobody but me is mentioning tonedeff, who quite possibly has the sickest flow in the rap world today.
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« Reply #55 on: 07 Dec 2005, 09:53 »

Hey!!! (ya!)

What about Will Smith??

And Outkast?? :)

Everybody! : I'm sorry Ms. Jackson. Oooooh!
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« Reply #56 on: 07 Dec 2005, 16:35 »

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good west coast or southern rap, anybody got a few. (Keep in mind I am a  fan of complex beats and lyrics). Also, nobody but me is mentioning tonedeff, who quite possibly has the sickest flow in the rap world today.


Meh. Tonedeff is alright. I certainly wouldn't say sickest flow in the rap world today though.

West Coast -> Cali Agents (Planet Asia and Rasco, check the solo ish as well), Ugly Duckling, I must admit I don't really pay attention to what coast people are from.

South -> DJ SCREW! Gangster Pat, Devin the Dude, Z-Ro, K-Rino, Big Tuck, Juelz Santana, Project Pat, Hollow Tip, Three 6 Mafia. You could do alot worse than to try and find a copy of "Bouncin and Swangin" by Down South Hustlers. It's a great mix of all sorts of Southern heat. Probobly won't really be your thing, what with the 'complex beats and lyrics' thing. It's not really a Southern vibe.
Actually, ain't the Cunninlynguists from Kentucky?
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« Reply #57 on: 10 Dec 2005, 07:52 »

I just got back from seeing Blackalicious at the ANU bar. Amazing.

The support act was one of my oldest mates' brother - a guy called Roshambo, playing with DJ D'Opus. If you're in the region, they might be a pair to watch - for a fairly unknown crew, they really got the crowd going, and they've got a fair bit of talent.

When Blackalicious came on, the crowd went nuts. In between others, they started off with Rhythm Sticks, My Pen And Pad, and really got the crowd going with an all-in version of Deception. (Don't let money change ya!). Gift of Gab was MCing for the most part, and he launched into some truly amazing free-styling, along with some old favourites. After a short break ("MORE!") they came back for some more freestyling, and we were treated to one of my favourites, Alphabet Aerobics, followed by some more tunes and then wrapping up with an amazing spill of Chemical Calisthenics.

If you get the chance to see these guys live, I highly recommend it.

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« Reply #58 on: 10 Dec 2005, 08:04 »

DangerDoom
Late 80's/Early 90's Snoop Dogg
Jurassic 5

I tend to fall into the catagory est presents, old school stuff like De La Soul rocks.
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« Reply #59 on: 10 Dec 2005, 13:01 »

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I discovered recently that Mobb Deep joined G-Unit.  This made me very sad...Mobb Deep and NaS are the only reasons to listen to Gangsta Rap.


There are no reasons for listening to gangsta rap. I love underground rap, but I can absolutely not come up with a good reason for listening to gangsta rap.

- Atmosphere
- Sage Francis

This is the best hip-hop music in the world.

- Cage
- Brother Ali
- Cunninlynguists
- Immortal Technique
- Aesop Rock

Are also worth mentioning.

Another thing...anybody here heard of Looptroop and Promoe? If not, you really should chech them out. They might be a bit "local", and with local I mean that they are mostly known within Scandinavia. Still, you should all check them out. I could name some of their best songs:

Looptroop - Modern Day City Symphony
Looptroop - Bandit Queen
Looptroop - Fruits of Babylon
Looptroop - Fort Europa
Looptroop - The Struggle Continues
Looptroop - Heavy Rains
Promoe - Government Music
Promoe - Primetime
Promoe - Calm Down
Promoe - Dog Day Afternoon
Promoe - Fast Food World
Promoe - Kkkampain (yes that's how it's written)
Promoe - These Walls Don't Lie
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« Reply #60 on: 10 Dec 2005, 13:35 »

I'll respectfully disagree with you on Gangsta Rap, citing that (a) It's great background music for violent gaming, and (b) that it's good cheesy fun if you look at it right.

I will, however, agree with you on Atmosphere.  Just picked up Seven's Travels...Daaaamn.
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« Reply #61 on: 10 Dec 2005, 14:55 »

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I'll respectfully disagree with you on Gangsta Rap, citing that (a) It's great background music for violent gaming, and (b) that it's good cheesy fun if you look at it right.


Still, it's nothing I'd actually buy, nor listen to, without anybody pointing a gun at me.

But I don't want to have this argument again, tho' I, unconsciously, actually do want to. Still, I've had the same argument with so many others before, that I'm just sick of winning. I just have to say that I don't have anything left for gunz-hoes-&-money-rap. It has to be...what's the word?...poetry.
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« Reply #62 on: 10 Dec 2005, 14:57 »

I was thinking about picking up some Ultramagnetic MCs, Dalek or Aesop Rock stuff.
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« Reply #63 on: 11 Dec 2005, 17:18 »

Almost forgot:  Boom Bap Project (out of Seattle, I think).
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« Reply #64 on: 11 Dec 2005, 17:25 »

The Mad Conductor (www.themadconductor.com)
Immortal Technique
Mel Gibson and the Pants
Necro

Mad Conductor is seriously some of the best stuff I've ever heard.  It's just AMAZING.

And of course..
  http://www.myspace.com/thebluntboyz
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« Reply #65 on: 13 Dec 2005, 12:58 »

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I'll respectfully disagree with you on Gangsta Rap, citing that (a) It has some of the best beats and rhymes of any kind of Hip-Hop, (b) writing off a whole genre is silly. Very, very silly.


Fix'd.

I used to (We're talking maybe two years ago, not ancient history) be "Oh I love Rhymesayers, Anticon and Def Jux. That's real Hip-Hop, that mainstream gangster stuff is shit". Then I realised I was being a dick. So I started listening to Mobb Deep, Smif n Wessun, Nas, Canibus, Wu-Tang, Geto Boys, Early Snoop, etc.

Alot of people seem to think that Rhymesayers / Anticon / Def Jux have the monopoly on "Real Hip-Hop", and that they are somehow fucking superior to people who listen to other Hip-Hop. It depresses the hell out of me, to be honest. "It's all guns and ho's" is such a bullshit cop out.

And on a final note, Bunnyman: Seven's Travels is by FAR the worst Atmosphere album. It has 4 good songs on it, tops. Get Lucy Ford, for the love of God. I'd probobly rate Atmosphere's proper albums thusly:

Lucy Ford
God Loves Ugly
Overcast!
Headshots: Se7en
You Can't Imagine How much Fun We're Having
Seven's Travels

Lucy Ford is always top, Seven's Travels is always bottom. The rest switch vary.
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« Reply #66 on: 13 Dec 2005, 18:26 »

maximum agreeance milkman dan. while anticon etc are brilliant, why people get so up on the hating of new gansta stuff is beyond me. sometimes it's fun to get all thugged out. drop some crunk into your diets. ludacris, li'l jon and so forth.
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« Reply #67 on: 13 Dec 2005, 23:57 »

highly recommend hip-hop: Optimus Rhyme.
Too many good things to say about them... The dynamic between the band and Wheelie Cyberman is just perfect. They've got songs available all over the place; their website, myspace, and even iTunes recently - check them out! It makes me happy to hear some damn good hip-hop coming from seattle. Their great guys too, I've met all of them in the area (actually found out about them when I had a class with one of the MC's)

The 100th Monkey, another group from their label is pretty decent, too, though I don't know the music very well.


After the mention of Wu Tang, another notable hip-hop group is the Gravediggaz. Horror themed hip-hop, its insane, gruesome, and funny. [/url]
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« Reply #68 on: 19 Dec 2005, 23:18 »

You Can't Imagine How much Fun We're Having  was probably the shittiest album released this year, that said Felt 2 was freakin amazing!
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« Reply #69 on: 20 Dec 2005, 16:07 »

Why has no-one said Beastie Boys?
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« Reply #70 on: 21 Dec 2005, 14:20 »

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Sage Francis


Man, Sage Francis is probably my favorite hip-hop artist. I'm presently writing part of a paper for jazz class about "Threewrite" as a legacy of blues music.

What turns me off to a lot of hip-hop is its self-centeredness. Too many raps are just about inflating egos--the rhymes might be skilled, but when there's no other content to it they wear out quickly. Sage Francis makes me happy in that a lot of his songs get away from that tendency.


I only have one Sage Francis song.  It's pretty amazing though.

The only hip hop artist I really listen to is called Nujabes.  They're Japanese and they rap over jazz music that has distinct hip hop beats.  I found them in the depths of the internet and don't know where I could get more, or even if they have more than one album.
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« Reply #71 on: 21 Dec 2005, 14:57 »

To the best of my knowledge, Nujabes has two albums (both of which I have) Metaphorical Music and Modal Soul.

Very smooth and jazzy music.

If you like that, A Tribe Called Quest, Q-Tip, Madlib, Spearhead and Non-Prophets should also suit you immensely.

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Myself I am seriously hooked on Shadow Huntaz right now....wicked stuff, very mechanized and sterile, yet brilliant stuff.
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« Reply #72 on: 21 Dec 2005, 21:27 »

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The only hip hop artist I really listen to is called Nujabes.  They're Japanese and they rap over jazz music that has distinct hip hop beats.  I found them in the depths of the internet and don't know where I could get more, or even if they have more than one album.


Well...I know that they contributed a lot to the soundtrack for Samurai Champloo, if that helps.
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« Reply #73 on: 22 Dec 2005, 06:24 »

Im into abstract hiphop and triphop alot. Stuff like DJ Shadow, DJ Food, DJ Cam, Massive Attack and Funki Porcini. Dont know if they are indipendent, but I wouldnt call it commercial either.
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« Reply #74 on: 23 Dec 2005, 15:24 »

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Im into abstract hiphop and triphop alot. Stuff like DJ Shadow, DJ Food, DJ Cam, Massive Attack and Funki Porcini. Dont know if they are indipendent, but I wouldnt call it commercial either.


DJ Shadow <3
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« Reply #75 on: 26 Dec 2005, 18:27 »

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You Can't Imagine How much Fun We're Having  was probably the shittiest album released this year, that said Felt 2 was freakin amazing!


No, and no.

In other news, Jehst is great. So is Klashnekoff. Uk Hip-Hop represent.
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« Reply #76 on: 26 Dec 2005, 18:37 »

Nobody's mentioned The Roots yet. So I thought I should. Thank you.
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« Reply #77 on: 27 Dec 2005, 00:34 »

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drop some crunk into your diets. ludacris, li'l jon and so forth.


I don't want to start a "fight" but no just fucking no. I will listen to Nas, El-P, Tupac Shakur hell I will even weep through a 50 Cent record. But not crunk. It is the worst idea since war and li'l jon seriously needs to keep his trap shut. He's a menace and I will die happy if I never hear his lame unintelligible shout again.

But what do I know, I don't listen to hip hop ;)
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« Reply #78 on: 27 Dec 2005, 10:26 »

^ I second that. Crunk is for no. Totally yuck. Ew.
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« Reply #79 on: 29 Dec 2005, 19:20 »

I got "Be" by Common --- whom I don't think anyone has mentioned yet --- recently. He is made of Love.

Also, consider Deltron Zero sixth'd or whatever by me.

Also, I like The Streets. Or rather, I like Original Pirate Material and haven't heard A Grand Don't Come For Free. Fucking sue me.
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« Reply #80 on: 31 Dec 2005, 02:28 »

This thread is turning into a bad battle album.  Bad in the sense that there are no rhymes and the insults suck.

Oh, irony, thy name is Internet.
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« Reply #81 on: 31 Dec 2005, 06:18 »

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Also, I like The Streets. Or rather, I like Original Pirate Material and haven't heard A Grand Don't Come For Free. Fucking sue me.


No insult, but I'm pretty convinced that having musical taste and liking The Streets can only come together if you have no real experience of modern British culture.

Because The Streets are fucking revolting chavsters.
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« Reply #82 on: 31 Dec 2005, 09:42 »

Well, a typical self-centered American am I, with (as you say) no real knowledge of modern British culture. So no offense taken.* The only thing I know about "chav" is that it's fun to say. Chav chav chavvy chavster McChavsalot.

HEE HEE HEE



* Although, just for future reference, it's pretty difficult for most people not to take a blatant implication that they have no musical taste as an insult. Just saying. Putting "No insult" or "No offense" in front of something that is obviously an insult usually doesn't go over too well.
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« Reply #83 on: 31 Dec 2005, 10:07 »

Also, it seems like the "chav" thing here parallels the ongoing debate (on the other side of the Atlantic) about gangsta rap. Should the fact that one finds the culture repellent have any effect on one's assessment of the music? Does the fact that Isaac Brock may be an asshole mean that Modest Mouse can't be considered on its own merits or lack thereof? Does anyone care?

I mean, let's face it, even though I don't really know what a chav is, I think I have a rudimentary idea, and if Mike Skinner's life is anything like what his music is about, he doesn't exactly sound like the kind of person I'd want to hang out with. At all. Ever. Or even, really, meet. But I still like his music. Fine.

But then I sort of avoid gangsta rap for precisely the reason that I've been implying is invalid for this entire post: I find the idea of it repellent and harmful, something to be eschewed instead of glorified in music. But hell, that's the way some people live, and probably many of them do so because they see no alternative or because they were brought up in that kind of atmosphere, in which case they can either glorify it or be deeply and permanently ashamed of the way they live, and so no wonder they choose the former; the latter is what everyone else thinks they should be doing.

I still don't like it though. So fine: Too many ideological conflicts between me and gangsta rap for me to be able to make an unbiased judgment about it. That's fair to say, right? "I abstain?"

One last parting point: I read an article saying that the two hip-hop artists I like the most, Common and Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, are both from middle-class backgrounds, like me.

Coincidence? I bet not.
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« Reply #84 on: 31 Dec 2005, 10:28 »

To be frank, 3 years of physical and verbal abuse, including being spat on and beaten up, have pretty much removed any sort of academic discussion from my dislike of chav culture.

I didn't phrase what I said correctly. What I meant was, all the hipster kids over in America seem to love The Streets, whilst the British hipsters attitude to the streets is summed up by the fact I've seen a sawn in half copy of Original Pirate Material as part of an art exhibit. What I meant to say is, that, in America, they are part of the 'tasteful' elite cultural which-what, whilst in the UK they are loathed and despised for being smelly chavs.
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« Reply #85 on: 31 Dec 2005, 11:27 »

Probably because in America we don't have to put up with them. ;)
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« Reply #86 on: 31 Dec 2005, 13:41 »

TAKE THAT BRITAIN, WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU SOMEHOW



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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #87 on: 01 Jan 2006, 01:35 »

Wooo this is a good thread for me

Anyway, my problem with gangsta rap is simply what a huge chunk of the genre it now occupies, and how that in turn is influencing the portion of youth who listen to it.  I can't say I know it's perpetuating gang rivalries, but it's definitely not helping.  That said, while Anticon and Rhymesayers and such are great bunches of dudes, there's more stuff out there.  My preferred artists, I guess, would be...
-Jurassic 5 (mainly for 2na and Cut Chemist, the rest of the MCs seem kinda dull and NuMark's production, while good, doesn't have enough energy to support J5's lyrics)
-Dilated Peoples
-Blackalicious
-Roots Manuva
-Alias
-Atmosphere
-MC Frontalot
-Optimus Rhyme
-Public Enemy
-Dalek
-Fine Arts Militia
-Delinquent Habits
-Grandmaster Flash & TFF

And as a scratch DJ, I've always been a fan of the DJs and instrumental producers as well...
-The Herbaliser
-DJ Spooky
-DJ Qbert
-Mixmaster Mike
-DJ Shadow
-Jack Dangers (some of his stuff at least qualifies as hip-hop)
-DJ JS-1
-Baddd Spellah

I prolly forgot a bunch.  Oh well. :P
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« Reply #88 on: 01 Jan 2006, 05:01 »

Optimus Rhyme FTW.
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« Reply #89 on: 01 Jan 2006, 13:36 »

For overwhelming nerdiness, up to and on occasion exceeding the high standard set by MC Front, one need only to look to MC Paul Barman, the only MC I've ever heard name-drop Noam Chomsky and Tipper Gore.

"Nice graphics, but that's just half-ass agitprop to piss off a traffic cop."

"I once loved a place...the Breakfast Nook.  I loved and loved, but that nook never loved me back.  Love people, not places."

My take Gangsta is that it works when (A) The artist still busts insanely fat rhymes that don't rely on tacking on suffixes (ne '-izzle' and suchlike) to fill space; (B) the artist recognizes at some level that the genre's gone from being an expression of impovrished city life to a self-perpetuating caricature that's more based on Scarface than Queensbridge.  And, yes, NaS fits all those qualifications, even in Stillmatic.

And, goddamnit, I don't give two shits about how cool you are.  Prove it to me.  Jesus.  Battle tracks are so damn boring unless you do something awesome, like crib rhymes off Norse Mythology or

I had a track on my computer a while back called "The Real Fredrich Nietzche."  It was based of exactly what you think it was, and it kicked ass.  Unfortunately, it seems to have dissappeared into the mists of time.
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