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« on: 12 Mar 2006, 12:10 »

You guys know what to do, put the song and your reasons why.

- D'yer Mak'er - Led Zeppelin
(Singalong goodness like nothing else)
- In My Room - The Beach Boys
(Tribute to JFK after his assassination and basically one of the best vocal arrangements ever put together)
- Nowhere Man - The Beatles
(Another wonderful vocal arrangement, and the guitar solo is pretty unique in that it's just playing individual notes in a chord shape on the fretboard)
- Bellbottom Blues - Derek and the Dominoes
(You cannot fucking argue with Eric Clapton multitracked guitar solo armadas)
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« Reply #1 on: 12 Mar 2006, 13:27 »

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- Bellbottom Blues - Derek and the Dominoes
(You cannot fucking argue with Eric Clapton multitracked guitar solo armadas)



That's my favourite Clapton song ever. Even if it's such a stupid title.
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« Reply #2 on: 12 Mar 2006, 14:44 »

o rly? Yeah, most of the people I know who are Clapton fans have never even heard of that song.
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« Reply #3 on: 12 Mar 2006, 14:52 »

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- Nowhere Man - The Beatles
(Another wonderful vocal arrangement, and the guitar solo is pretty unique in that it's just playing individual notes in a chord shape on the fretboard)


This track is underrated?

I don't get this thread. Who does it have to be underrated by? Does it have to be an underrated track by a well known artist, or an amazing track by an unknown artist, or what? Because, I mean, my personal opinion of the most underrated tracks ever would probably, you know, just be my favourite tracks ever.
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« Reply #4 on: 12 Mar 2006, 15:10 »

If it's underrated by everyone then surely the most underrated song is one that like 2 people ever have heard of but which would do really well if only anyone else had heard it.

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« Reply #5 on: 12 Mar 2006, 16:22 »

Stairway to Heaven

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« Reply #6 on: 12 Mar 2006, 16:49 »

Smells Like Teen Spirit?

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« Reply #7 on: 12 Mar 2006, 18:17 »

Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)?
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« Reply #8 on: 12 Mar 2006, 18:24 »

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If you mean what I think you mean, that would be overrated...
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« Reply #9 on: 12 Mar 2006, 18:38 »

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« Reply #11 on: 12 Mar 2006, 18:48 »

Hm.
I'd say The Cure-The Lovecats.
It's one of my favorites, and every Cure 'fan' I've met (it could be because I live around people who only listen to country and rap) only know "I'll Stop The World.."
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« Reply #12 on: 12 Mar 2006, 18:50 »

I'd have to say the entire Pink Floyd album The Division Bell. It's good stuff, but no one I know knows any songs off it other than High Hopes.
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« Reply #13 on: 12 Mar 2006, 19:16 »

"Didn't It Look So Easy" by the Five Stairsteps. When the Five Stairsteps DO get mentioned, the only song anyone ever talks about is Ooh Child, but I always thought Didn't It Look So Easy was better
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« Reply #14 on: 12 Mar 2006, 19:36 »

Well, does underrated mean a song that a lot of people are familiar with, but didn't give adequate respect, or a great song on an album that sold fifty copies in 1995?

If it's the latter, then I submit "Colder Every Year" by Yesteryear.
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« Reply #15 on: 13 Mar 2006, 00:49 »

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Well, does underrated mean a song that a lot of people are familiar with, but didn't give adequate respect, or a great song on an album that sold fifty copies in 1995?

If it's the latter, then I submit "Colder Every Year" by Yesteryear.


Definition of "underrated" in this case is probably just "didn't get enough recognition when it was released."
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« Reply #16 on: 13 Mar 2006, 01:11 »

"Mr Moonlight" by the Beatles, from Beatles for Sale. Everyone everywhere seems to believe it to be the worst thing they ever committed to wax, but when I first heard I thought "hey, this is pretty neat". The organ solo is kind of...I don't know, cute, if an organ solo can truly be described that way.

As for "not enough recognition when released", can anyone say the United States of America's self titled?
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« Reply #17 on: 13 Mar 2006, 02:02 »

I thought Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da was universally recognised to be the worst Beatles song? Actually, lots of people dislike Helter Skelter, which is one of my favourites.
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« Reply #18 on: 13 Mar 2006, 07:17 »

How can someone not like Helter Skelter? Those people clearly have no idea about music.

Shellac - Didn't We Deserve A Look At You The Way You Really Are
Every Shellac fan I know hates this song, probably because it's 12 minutes of the same two bass notes getting repeated over and over again. But I say it's awesome in its own hypnotic way.

At the Drive-In - Transatlantic Foe and Arc Arsenal
So Napoleon Solo and One Armed Scissor are on those respective albums. Whatever. Those tracks kick a serious amount of ass.

Slint - Don, A Man
Good Morning, Captain was on the album and everyone gets excited about it. Understandable, but this song is just ... creepy. In a good way.

Jawbox. Jawbox are underrated.
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« Reply #19 on: 13 Mar 2006, 07:25 »

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I thought Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da was universally recognised to be the worst Beatles song? Actually, lots of people dislike Helter Skelter, which is one of my favourites.


I cannot listen to Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da without feeling like the happiest kid in the world.  That song is one that I want to dance with my wife and 5-year-old to on summer afternoons in the back yard.  The Beatles have written far worse songs than that one.  And Helter Skelter is awesome too.

If the former is seen as the worst Beatles song ever, then it's also one of the most unappreciated and underrated.
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« Reply #20 on: 13 Mar 2006, 08:06 »

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I'd have to say the entire Pink Floyd album The Division Bell. It's good stuff, but no one I know knows any songs off it other than High Hopes.


That's one of my favourite Floyd albums. It is criminally underrated. Lyrically it's not great, but musically it's some of the best they ever did and people need to wake the fuck up.
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« Reply #21 on: 13 Mar 2006, 11:16 »

Pearl Jam - Release

It's my favourite song on Ten.
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« Reply #22 on: 13 Mar 2006, 11:30 »

I want to wholeheartedly agree with what onewheelwizard said about Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da. How anyone can claim that song is the Beatles' worst when it can be pitted against the likes of Yellow Submarine is beyond me. Although I have to say I'm not a fan of Helter Skelter.

Also, SpacemanSpiff: Word. Arcarsenal is the best song on Relationship of Command, I don't care what anyone says about that One-Armed Scissor bullshit.
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« Reply #23 on: 13 Mar 2006, 11:33 »

Plus, like, Life Goes On.
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« Reply #24 on: 13 Mar 2006, 11:59 »

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I'd have to say the entire Pink Floyd album The Division Bell. It's good stuff, but no one I know knows any songs off it other than High Hopes.


That's one of my favourite Floyd albums. It is criminally underrated. Lyrically it's not great, but musically it's some of the best they ever did and people need to wake the fuck up.


Take it Back, What do you Want From Me, Wearing the Inside Out. All terrific songs.

The Rain Song by Led Zeppelin is also overlooked.

As for The Beatles worst song. I have yet to hear a Beatles song I dislike, and I'm fairly sure I've heard every Beatles song.

By the Way, Revolution 9 doesn't count as a a song.
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« Reply #25 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:15 »

"Shannon" by Henry Gross..that chrorus is one of the most addictive choruses EVER.
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« Reply #26 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:21 »

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By the Way, Revolution 9 doesn't count as a a song.


Oh REALLY?  Semantics, sir.  Semantics.
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« Reply #27 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:26 »

But really, it's not a song. It's.....a mish mash of sounds that don't gel. I don't get what it's supposed to be.

Number nine, number nine, number nine.
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« Reply #28 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:43 »

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I thought Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da was universally recognised to be the worst Beatles song? Actually, lots of people dislike Helter Skelter, which is one of my favourites.


I cannot listen to Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da without feeling like the happiest kid in the world.  That song is one that I want to dance with my wife and 5-year-old to on summer afternoons in the back yard.  The Beatles have written far worse songs than that one.  And Helter Skelter is awesome too.


Ah, yes, how could I forget "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"?! It's so stupidly happy it brings joy to my heart. That fast intro is just great. Di di di di di!

As for "Helter Skelter", dude, I thought everybody fucking loved it. Maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to the opinions of others, or I have Manson family members for friends.
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« Reply #29 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:48 »

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"Mr Moonlight" by the Beatles, from Beatles for Sale. Everyone everywhere seems to believe it to be the worst thing they ever committed to wax,

Octopus' Garden is easily the worst song they ever wrote ever.
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« Reply #30 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:50 »

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But really, it's not a song. It's.....a mish mash of sounds that don't gel. I don't get what it's supposed to be.

Number nine, number nine, number nine.


Open your mind, son.

My vote for the most underrated song of all time goes to: Queen's "Princes of the Universe," the mostly-mocked rocker that was used in Highlander.  Any song that features Freddie Mercury singing "I have inside me blood of kings" and "Bring on the girls!" is okay in my book.

On that note, the entire A Kind of Magic album is a tragically overlooked piece of glam/synthpop mastery.  It's got "Princes of the Universe", "Who Wants to Live Forever", "Pain is So Close to Pleasure", and most importantly the stellar title track.
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« Reply #31 on: 13 Mar 2006, 12:59 »

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"Mr Moonlight" by the Beatles, from Beatles for Sale. Everyone everywhere seems to believe it to be the worst thing they ever committed to wax,

Octopus' Garden is easily the worst song they ever wrote ever.


Oh hell no. That entire album is perfect. It's just silly, I mean look at Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Ringo is the man.

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Clean out your ears son. It's not musical, it may be artsy or something, but it's not a song.
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« Reply #32 on: 13 Mar 2006, 13:10 »

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"Mr Moonlight" by the Beatles, from Beatles for Sale. Everyone everywhere seems to believe it to be the worst thing they ever committed to wax,

Octopus' Garden is easily the worst song they ever wrote ever.


Octopus's Garden is good for the same reason Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da is.  It's fun.  It's music that small children dance and sing along to.  Disliking it means you're being too serious.

If the Beatles wrote a "worst song" it's Wild Honey Pie.  At least that one is childish in the wrong ways.
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« Reply #33 on: 13 Mar 2006, 13:11 »

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Definition of "underrated" in this case is probably just "didn't get enough recognition when it was released."


Then I think the entire catalogue of the Velvet Underground fits here and all of Village Green... by the Kinks

PS on Bell Bottom Blues, I'm not a Clapton fan at all. I just love Cream and Drek and the Dominoes
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« Reply #34 on: 13 Mar 2006, 14:00 »

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Clean out your ears son. It's not musical, it may be artsy or something, but it's not a song.


"Not Musical"?  Eh?  I'm going to have to once again respectfully disagree.  I'll give it to you that "Revolution 9" non-melodic, dissonant, and seemingly unstructured, but by your reckoning, ambient, tape-collage and musique concrète should be considered "non-musical."  "Revolution 9", as well as works by Negativland, Faust, the Tape-Beatles, Fripp & Eno, and John Cage (4′33″ being a well-known example) all use nonstandard instrumentation or recording techniques and the result is often surprising and discordant (or, in the case of 4'33", almost completely silent), but the works are ultimately unified and illuminating.  To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical, and a multitude of musical composers, artists and sound-samplers remind us time and again that that is not the case.

With regards to my claim that "Revolution 9" should be considered a song, I will elaborate:

(1) It is music (by my reckoning above),
(2) It is relatively short (and while it is long by the standards of the Beatles and of the period's popular music in general, it is a pretty standard length for psychedelic and experimental rock music groups),
(3) It is identified in context as a song (ie, it's on an experimental pop record with a bunch of other songs, appears before and after other songs, and is identified on equal terms with other songs)
(4) It really isn't all that "out-there" by any standards of the time except pop music standards
(5) It is convenient to call every Beatles track a "song", as they were by-and-large a song-based pop group

You may disagree with the veracity or relevance of any of these claims, but I claim that any counter-argument that you can give against at least loosely calling "Revolution 9" a song is a matter of semantics-- rather limiting semantics, in my opinion.
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« Reply #35 on: 13 Mar 2006, 14:25 »

You use big complicated words.

I'll be honset, I don't know of any of those bands you mentioned. All I can go by is my ears.

Revolution 9 just seems like a complete non-sequitur, put on the album to flesh it out and make it more experimental. I just think it's downright stupid. Maybe if I understood the lyrics, but I'm god awful at analysing things.

Oh, and I don't find Speech musical at all.
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« Reply #36 on: 13 Mar 2006, 14:34 »

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The Rain Song by Led Zeppelin is also overlooked.


HOWWWW?!! God I adore that song.

Also, to E. Spaceman: Yeah, I've gotta say, a lot of Clapton's solo work is total shite. I mean, I adore his work with Cream, and I love Derek and the Dominoes, and even "Presence of the Lord" by Blind Faith is good shit. But he only has a few songs worth a damn as a solo artist.
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« Reply #37 on: 13 Mar 2006, 15:41 »

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Octopus' Garden is easily the worst song they ever wrote ever.

Say what? Son, I think you're forgetting what the song's about. It's about octopusses. You know, those squishy guys who can ask "Who wants four hugs? Simul-fucking-taneously." and actually follow through with that shit. You gotta respect that.

Oh, the song. Decent, I guess.
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« Reply #38 on: 13 Mar 2006, 15:44 »

Okay, here's one. Skindred - Nobody. This song could have saved so many souls during the dark final days of nu-metal, but instead it languished in obscurity. For shame! For shame!
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« Reply #39 on: 14 Mar 2006, 09:39 »

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Clean out your ears son. It's not musical, it may be artsy or something, but it's not a song.


"Not Musical"?  Eh?  I'm going to have to once again respectfully disagree.  I'll give it to you that "Revolution 9" non-melodic, dissonant, and seemingly unstructured, but by your reckoning, ambient, tape-collage and musique concrète should be considered "non-musical."  "Revolution 9", as well as works by Negativland, Faust, the Tape-Beatles, Fripp & Eno, and John Cage (4′33″ being a well-known example) all use nonstandard instrumentation or recording techniques and the result is often surprising and discordant (or, in the case of 4'33", almost completely silent), but the works are ultimately unified and illuminating.  To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical, and a multitude of musical composers, artists and sound-samplers remind us time and again that that is not the case.


I'm afraid that what's musical and what's not is irrelevant, because Revolution 9 is terrible. I'm afraid there are many acts and songs that I can accept someone's like or dislike of them, but Revolution 9 is not one of them. It really is just noise. And that 'piece' by John Cage is even worse.

'course, that's just my opinion. But I hate a great deal of The Beatles anyway, and it's regularly voted 'best album ever' or some shit, so what do I know.
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« Reply #40 on: 14 Mar 2006, 09:58 »

I used to make fun of 4'33" a lot.  I thought it was the stupidest thing ever, but there just came a point where my opinion completely changed.  I don't know what it was, but it happened sometime last year.  I realized that it was a piece of music, and it was an amazing statement.  I mean, use recorded sound usually not associated with music as much as you want, 4'33" drives the point home that everything is music.  Maybe it was just the fact that I had a point last year where I was wondering what music was, and what defined music.  4'33" just seems like this huge thing that completely answers my question: everything, you just have to learn to listen to it.

Also, the song is "noise," but it's noise arranged in a certain way, and it develops ideas based on a recurring theme.  I mean, all music is just organized noise.  Hell, distortion is adding a whole lot of "unwanted" noise to the signal coming from the electric guitar.  It's just generally accepted as music because it's much more attached to the tradition.  Russolo stated that we need to completely break with tradition, and I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but we at least need to push the boundaries more.  I mean, people have been keeping with tradition for hundreds of years, and music needs to keep moving forward.

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To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical


Case and point for speech and the outside world being musical: Steve Reich - Different Trains
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« Reply #41 on: 14 Mar 2006, 10:23 »

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I used to make fun of 4'33" a lot.  I thought it was the stupidest thing ever, but there just came a point where my opinion completely changed.  I don't know what it was, but it happened sometime last year.  I realized that it was a piece of music, and it was an amazing statement.  I mean, use recorded sound usually not associated with music as much as you want, 4'33" drives the point home that everything is music.  Maybe it was just the fact that I had a point last year where I was wondering what music was, and what defined music.  4'33" just seems like this huge thing that completely answers my question: everything, you just have to learn to listen to it.

Also, the song is "noise," but it's noise arranged in a certain way, and it develops ideas based on a recurring theme.  I mean, all music is just organized noise.  Hell, distortion is adding a whole lot of "unwanted" noise to the signal coming from the electric guitar.  It's just generally accepted as music because it's much more attached to the tradition.  Russolo stated that we need to completely break with tradition, and I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but we at least need to push the boundaries more.  I mean, people have been keeping with tradition for hundreds of years, and music needs to keep moving forward.

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To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical


Case and point for speech and the outside world being musical: Steve Reich - Different Trains


Okay, let me rephrase it for you, since you're clearly going to reply like that whatever way I describe it.

It sounds like shit. As far as I'm concerned.

Is the sound of shit musical?

I'm sorry, I know I'm being very snide. I talk about the music I like as passionately as you do, but you seem to be misconstruing a lack of understanding of what the pieces are aiming to achieve with just plain not enjoying it.

I know Revolution 9 was an innovative sound collage, although Paul was doing in in 1966, and I realise it was 'art' or whatever. I realise it was meant to illustrate a crowd disturbance, or whatever their point was. However, having a point doesn't make it listenable.

4'33", meanwhile, I can see that he was aiming to record the sounds of the people going 'WTF?' rather than the actual silence necessarily. That doesn't stop it from being so pretentious that it makes Pink Floyd blush. And I'm not trying to poke fun at anything. I'm just explaining my dislike for it.
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« Reply #42 on: 14 Mar 2006, 10:31 »

Well, what is considered musical or not is up to each individual.  I mean, about four hundred years ago, Monteverdi was considered horribly dissonant and unmusical.  Now, the only complaint possible against Monteverdi is that his music is boring.  In 100 years, musique concrete will be considered boring, because there will be new stuff out there that's so wild that even the most forward-thinking people of today would consider it not music.  So, disliking it is fine, but saying it is terrible is implying an objective view, which is impossible.
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« Reply #43 on: 14 Mar 2006, 11:46 »

I doubt I'll get much of an agreement here, but everything The Crash Test Dummies ever did besides Mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm got next to no regogntion. I love them, they're just a quirky, fun band. Too bad they may be done.
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« Reply #44 on: 14 Mar 2006, 11:55 »

Current 93 - Crowleymass

I think the fact that C93 can jump from some of the most intense, personal, meaningful, beautiful stuff ever written (Horsey, A Song For Douglas After He's Dead, Black Flowers Please etc.) to utterly fucking RIDICULOUS cheesy 80's pop/rap christmas tunes about Alisteir Crowley with choral backing and a whole verse about the correct pronunciation of Crowley's name ("It isn't Crowley, that rhymes with...fouly! EWWW!") really does mean they are a fucking great band. Most c93 fans haven't heard the full-on version of this track though (merely Crowleymass Unveiled) and C93 wouldn't do it live in a million years. So not even the fans really appreciate it. And no-one else has even heard of it.
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