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Final Fantasy VII is not a good game. (Arguement thread!)

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Kirbo:
Me or Narr?

mberan42:

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Blanket statement?

I hate blanket statements.

Switchblade:

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Works for damned near everyone, ever, myself included.

A friend and I were "discussing" Starcraft earlier. I dislike it because I don't like a game mechanic that allows you to "rush" - storm an enemy base within the first two or three minutes. I prefer to have at least five minutes of base-and-force-building going on before the first assault happens. For my tastes, too many Starcraft games are won almost instantly because you're facing some dude who's got a hotkey combination memorised that he starts into the instant the game starts I prefer a game where tactics counts more than just having memorised the most optimal build queue in your head.

My friend loves Starcraft, and when I aired my grievances, just began to reel off the counters to zergling rushes and the like... all of which involve having memorised an optimal hotkey combination.

He loves Starcraft, I don't. It quickly became obvious that, on this point at least, neither side was going to agree with, or pursuade, the other. In the end, I literally had to make cutting motions in the air with my hands and say "Yeah, okay, obviously neither of us is going to agree, so let's just stop this before one of us gets angry or upset, yeah?"

sometimes, you just have to agree to disagree, and accept that other people don't think like you do.

That guy:
First, video games, like movies, music and cooking styles, are all relative.  If you dislike something that other people enjoy, you generally dislike it even more.  I love the movie The 13th Warrior, but I don't get crazy when someone says the movie sucks. (They are probably right)

Second, people forget the business aspect of the game.  I hate to be the guy all about money, but this game warrants it.  This was the first well marketed video game, ever.  And it is ALWAYS advantagous to be first rather than be better.  And they were first from an advertising stand point.  They caught everyone by surprise.  People had never seen a good ad for an RPG let alone a good ad for a video game.  The ads that they used were highly stylized and very effective.  The game was able to penetrate peoples ideas of what a video game was and what a system could do.  

After that all the game had to do was deliver, which it did.  The characters were deep enough to make you care about them.  They had enough back story to keep the game moving, and their side stories were entertaining enough to make you explore them.  The combat system was simple, yes.  But that doesn't mean that it wasn't fun.  Are we forgetting fun?  I sure haven't.  In the immortal words of Dr. Seuss,

"Did you ever milk
this kind of cow?
Well, we can do it.
We know how.

If you never did,
you should.
These things are fun
and fun is good."

Words to live by in my opinion. One other thing on the combat system.  The limit breaks are the most important thing when I played the game.  I used the characters based on their effectiveness of their breaks.  This is why Vincent, even though he was the coolest looking character in the game, was never in my party.

Another point of Sepheroth vs. Kefka.  At least Sepheroth had some depth to him.  All Kefka was, was a laugh and a fruity costume.  Not saying that Sepheroth didn't have some aspects of bicuriosity, but he was at least fearable.

The last boss was strange, I'll give you that.  The first one could be killed by one Kinghts of the Round Table.  Then the next one was a little harder, but not much of a challange if you preparred for it.  The weapons were really hard though, so that made up for it.  That brings up the side areas.  They had many things you could do to keep yourself entertained.  And chocobo racing, for nothing more that the song, was worth it.  

I'd like to say that this is at least interesting for people to talk about.  It's better then many other forums I've been on.  That being said, your points and opinions are valid, for you.  If you don't like it you are entitled to dislike it, but claiming that the game is bad for everyone makes you a hipster snob.

Don't be that guy.  No one likes that guy.

Chesire Cat:
Well said!

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