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« Reply #50 on: 27 Mar 2006, 16:06 »
Also, calling Korn "metal" is like calling a retarded mule a thoroughbred.
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« Reply #51 on: 27 Mar 2006, 16:11 »
Jeph, what are your favorite metal bands? Obviously you've talked about Opeth a lot, and I recall you mentioning In Flames once or twice.

And are you open to suggestion in these areas, or does that violate some hipster code?
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« Reply #52 on: 27 Mar 2006, 16:53 »
I like most Opeth (I thought Damnation and Deliverance both sucked, Ghost Reveries is pretty good but not as good as Blackwater Park or My Arms Your Hearse), and earlier In Flames records (Colony is my favorite).

I also really, really like stoner/art-metal bands like Isis, Yob, and Pelican (although Pelican are really just heavy post-rock a la Mogwai these days).

Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now. If you dig Opeth odds are you'll like Mastodon too, particularly their newest record Leviathan. They have a similar affinity for really brutal, speedy metal passages interspersed with crazy-weird chord voicings, although Mastodon take it in more of a blues-influenced direction than Opeth's more straight prog approach. Dudes are KILLER guitarists.

High On Fire rock pretty hard, and if we're going to segue into doom/stoner rock that new Earth record HEX is amazing (but not really metal, imagine if Godspeed You! Black Emperor did the soundtrack for a western movie).
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« Reply #53 on: 27 Mar 2006, 17:05 »
Damnation and Deliverance bothered me because I felt like they were just a giant gimmick. Whoa, here's a really heavy one, and now this one is really acoustic and shit MAN WE LIKE YOUR MONEY.

Post-metal isn't really my area of expertise, though Neurosis is a lot like the bands you listed. I'd put Clayman as my favorite IF album, but that's a matter of personal taste. If you're into In Flames, you should check out Carcass if you haven't already.

Are you familiar with Nevermore? Jeff Loomis is totally one of my favorite guitarists currently making metal. I wouldn't call them death or even really 'prog' in the traditional sense, more like they cram about as many riffs as they can into a 5 minute song. But their style is really different and I've been getting steadily more into them in the past few weeks. Dead Heart in a Dead World is quickly becoming one my favorite metal albums ever.
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« Reply #54 on: 27 Mar 2006, 18:31 »
Jeph..I'm wondering..do you not enjoy Opeth's mild,softer stuff? If you do,you should totally check out the Blackwater Park Deluxe..it contains two amazing songs "Patterns In The Ivy 2" and "Still Day Beneath The Sun" that are two of the band's best. Of course,the album is quite difficult to find..so you might want to try the find the songs on whatever downloading program you use. This post will be very useless if my question's answer is "No."
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« Reply #55 on: 27 Mar 2006, 19:52 »
Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #56 on: 27 Mar 2006, 21:32 »
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Personally, I probably wouldn't like metal if I weren't a guitarist (or drummer, probably). It's fun to play, challenging, and inventive.


Every once in a while there's a bass part that doesn't blow all kinds of ass.  Though, it is quite fun providing that punchy low-end that grabs your balls and says, "Hey, motherfucker.  I felt you weren't quite rocking up to your full potential.  Let's fix that shit....wait for it.........NOW!"  Plus you can just sit there with one foot on the drum riser and headbang with the drummer.
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« Reply #57 on: 27 Mar 2006, 21:48 »
Steve DiGiorgio is an awesome metal bass player. Aside from him, Myung, Harris and the guy from Gordian Knot (if you consider that metal), nobody really comes to mind.
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« Reply #58 on: 27 Mar 2006, 22:32 »
Sean Malone is from Gordian Knot.  Also, your good bass parts are few and far between, even with those players.  They usually just follow the guitar.
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« Reply #59 on: 28 Mar 2006, 01:45 »
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progressive metal bands


While I'm 100% certain that prog-metal means something entirely different, I'm now left with the image of death metal bands covering early Genesis and ELO [1].  I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you for that.  I suspect I shall take the middle ground, and rip your face off with my teeth.


[1] Though anyone who remembers The Return of Giant Hogweed might not think it's so big a leap.
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« Reply #60 on: 28 Mar 2006, 03:01 »
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I like most Opeth (I thought Damnation and Deliverance both sucked, Ghost Reveries is pretty good but not as good as Blackwater Park or My Arms Your Hearse)


Damnation and Deliverance were recorded both at the same time with prodoction from Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree fame. Opeth and Steven felt that the quiter songs will not fit in Deliverance, and decided to split the recorded songs into two albums: Deliverance, which is a totall death metal album, and Damnation, a prog' rock album.
Personally, I love them both, but that's just my opinion.
Ghost Reveries just dissapointed me. I have a copy of it because I'm a very big fan and I have all of their albums (and I'm going to see them live in 5 days!!). But I listened to it only twice.

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if we're going to segue into doom/stoner rock that new Earth record HEX is amazing (but not really metal, imagine if Godspeed You! Black Emperor did the soundtrack for a western movie).


Definitelly, the new Earth album is amazing.
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« Reply #61 on: 28 Mar 2006, 04:59 »
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH


Please pay attention during the opening of 'The Sword' in case you accidentally headbang through a wall.

For anyone wanting awesome prog metal, I hope everyone has totally checked out Ayreon - The Human Equation and Star One - Space Metal, both brainchildren of the masterful Arjen Lucassen. The Human Equation is like decent Genesis meets Dream Theater with a ton of great guest vocalists (including Akerfeldt and Devin Townsend). Just download the track 'Day Sixteen: Loser'. Rock and fucking roll. Space Metal, on the other hand, is like if Lemmy had never left Hawkwind and had just kept taking more and more speed. This impression is helped by one of the tracks on the bonus disc, which is a Hawkwind Medley with Dave Brock himself on vocals, which is so much fun it's probably banned in Utah.

As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:

DOPETHRONE
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« Reply #62 on: 28 Mar 2006, 10:00 »
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While I'm 100% certain that prog-metal means something entirely different, I'm now left with the image of death metal bands covering early Genesis and ELO [1].  I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you for that.  I suspect I shall take the middle ground, and rip your face off with my teeth.


[1] Though anyone who remembers The Return of Giant Hogweed might not think it's so big a leap.


Actually, that's not too far off.  Imagine all the elements that differentiate prog rock from "normal" rock.  Now apply all those elements to metal.
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« Reply #63 on: 28 Mar 2006, 13:27 »
Sadly you're right when you say there's not much good bass material in metal. Steve Harris of the almighty Maiden has some pretty sweet lines though, and of course the person you could always throw out for this, Cliff Burton (RIP). But even they often ended up just following the guitars.

I also don't rate Deliverance and Damnation as my favorite Opeth albums, I think recording the two different albums might have been a mistake. Deliverance is anything but pure death metal.

Bringing the progressive and doom threads together, what about Cult of Luna? I've only heard two songs, but I've been very impressed. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #64 on: 28 Mar 2006, 13:50 »
Cult Of luna are absolutly brilliant. A kind of sludge/doom metal in the vein of Isis, Pelican and Jesu. Their first two albums are great, though their second album is more of a quiter sludge/stoner rock then metal.
Plus, they're fucking Sweedish.
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« Reply #65 on: 28 Mar 2006, 19:01 »
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As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:

DOPETHRONE


QUintessential Stoner album, although I think "When the Kite String Pops" comes pretty close.
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« Reply #66 on: 28 Mar 2006, 20:59 »
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I also don't rate Deliverance and Damnation as my favorite Opeth albums, I think recording the two different albums might have been a mistake. Deliverance is anything but pure death metal.


I do remember once, in conversation, being told that Damnation and Deliverance were released as they were owing to record company pressure, though I can't for the life of me recall what they were originally gonna do with them.

"When the Kite String Pops" and "Paegan Terrorism Tactics" (I still can't decide which is the superior record. For a time, I had come down on the side of PTT, but I'm free on the issue again now) are simply quintessential. Period.
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« Reply #67 on: 29 Mar 2006, 15:12 »
This thread is reminding me that I need more doom badly. And Earth records, lots of Earth records. Although am I the only person that likes Earth but finds SunnO))) utterly tedious? Admittedly I don't have a huge knowledge of either band's material but still, given SunnO)))'s blatant love of Earth I keep thinking I should find them at least passable.

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I don't see why; grindcore seems to have very little in common with the others.  You could have described it as "death metal at 300bpm" and been within a shout of accurate, though of course you'd still have had to find a way to explain what death metal was.


One reason grind is somewhat different to the other examples is because it isn't metal. It tends to get lumped in with metal since its fanbase is obviously pretty similar (it's all brutal guitar music after all), but as the 'core suffix indicates it's actually a variety of hardcore. So some grind does pull a lot of stuff from death metal, but other kinds can sound like hyperspeed hardcore or even math rock.
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« Reply #68 on: 29 Mar 2006, 15:53 »
Or jazz, or even oi. It's quite an open tangle of genres.
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« Reply #69 on: 29 Mar 2006, 16:57 »
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Also, calling Korn "metal" is like calling a retarded mule a thoroughbred.
They're awful.
But I live around a bunch of hicks who either listen to country or classic rock, and those who like music other than that tend to categorize it wrong.
I've heard hilary duff referred to as hard core and emo around here once.
So, getting back to the point, the 'metal' that i've heard around here is absolute shit, and I can't bring myself to listen to anything 'real' metal, I suppose.
Besides, I'm really not a metal person. At all. I'm convinced I wouldn't like it. My friends say I only listen to pussy rock.
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« Reply #70 on: 29 Mar 2006, 22:09 »
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Or jazz, or even oi. It's quite an open tangle of genres.


Fusion!  Fusion is jazz mixed with...something else.  Anything else!  Sure, it started out as rock, but now it's pretty much whatever you want to mix it with.  The Head Hunters were jazz and funk.  Well, that's good enough a fit to fusion!  Grind and jazz?  FUSION!

Edit: Okay, so I'm really freaking tired.  Hopefully this post doesn't suck.
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« Reply #71 on: 30 Mar 2006, 11:30 »
if ephel duath start making grind records i would skullfuck dead babies out of pure grindy esctasy.
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« Reply #72 on: 30 Mar 2006, 12:51 »
Ephel Duath rock like crazy, AND their bassist is a midget. You can't argue with that folks.
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« Reply #73 on: 31 Mar 2006, 07:23 »
Their bassist is a midget? I never knew, and am now even more gutted that I missed them play. And them doing grind... yep, that would be a bit special. Grind makes everything better, particularly emo.
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« Reply #74 on: 31 Mar 2006, 14:10 »
Man, I would KILL to see Ephel Duath.



Also, has anyone heard any of John Zorn's grindcore stuff? It's pretty fucking awesome. Avant Jazz Grindcore, FTW
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« Reply #75 on: 31 Mar 2006, 17:44 »
He certainly was at the time of the Painters Palette. Think he's left the band now though. If you look carefully at the Painters Palette photosessions its quite obvious which one he is. They use trick camera angles to gloss over it.
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« Reply #76 on: 31 Mar 2006, 18:16 »
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Space Metal, on the other hand, is like if Lemmy had never left Hawkwind and had just kept taking more and more speed.


that would be awesome.
one of the best gigs i can remember was the hawkwind anniversary show at the brixton academy back in 2000 when they brought out all the old boys like Lemmy and shook the place to the ground until about 3am !
yes they ruined a couple of numbers by letting sam fox sing them (master of the universe & silver machine), but they're hawkwind so they can get away with pretty much damn near anything. hell, they even let matthew wright (from that channel 5 morning phone in show) sing on an album and it still rocked.

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As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:

DOPETHRONE


kyuss or sleep would be easier gateway bands i'd say ...
actually, everyone needs to listen to kyuss anyway they were one of the best bands ever in my humble opinion.
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« Reply #77 on: 31 Mar 2006, 18:26 »
Dopethrone is fucking sick, Electric Wizard is pretty good to get into too.
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« Reply #78 on: 02 Apr 2006, 11:17 »
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Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now.


You sir, have obviously never been introduced to the joys of The Sword.
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« Reply #79 on: 02 Apr 2006, 11:28 »
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Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.




Save for Bloodbath, which Mikael Åkerfeldt did vocals for. Though they did sound a little more... "evil?"



And Misereatur, I believe it was Jonas from Katatonia that suggested they do two seperate albums, because Mikael had an abundance of clean and acoustic riffs and didn't know what to do with them. I think that's explained on their Lamentations DVD.
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« Reply #80 on: 02 Apr 2006, 11:30 »
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Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now.


You sir, have obviously never been introduced to the joys of The Sword.


or lamb of god.
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« Reply #81 on: 02 Apr 2006, 12:40 »
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Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.




Save for Bloodbath, which Mikael Åkerfeldt did vocals for. Though they did sound a little more... "evil?"



And Misereatur, I believe it was Jonas from Katatonia that suggested they do two seperate albums, because Mikael had an abundance of clean and acoustic riffs and didn't know what to do with them. I think that's explained on their Lamentations DVD.


Bloodbath has a clear death metal vocals, that Mikal is definitelly capble of (having seen him live (fucking 24 hours ago) I can say that he is probably capble of any type of growls or vocals).
What I ment to say was that Opeth has their own vocals and sound.

I thought that Opeth and Steven decided to split Delivarence into 2 albums. Good piece of information, tnx. BTW,  Have you heard Mikal's album with Katatonia, Brave Murder Day? Absolutly brilliant. My second favorite Katatonia album (after Dance Of December Souls, their first album).
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« Reply #82 on: 02 Apr 2006, 13:33 »
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Bloodbath has a clear death metal vocals, that Mikal is definitelly capble of (having seen him live (fucking 24 hours ago) I can say that he is probably capble of any type of growls or vocals).
What I ment to say was that Opeth has their own vocals and sound.

I thought that Opeth and Steven decided to split Delivarence into 2 albums. Good piece of information, tnx. BTW,  Have you heard Mikal's album with Katatonia, Brave Murder Day? Absolutly brilliant. My second favorite Katatonia album (after Dance Of December Souls, their first album).



Opeth live is a pretty great experience :) (assuming one's into them)

Unfortunately I haven't heard Brave Murder Day. I've hear many good things about it though. The only Katatonia album I have is Discouraged Ones, and I don't listen to it much. Maybe I'll drag it out later and listen to it, and try to get my hands on Brave Murder Day.
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« Reply #83 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:08 »
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or lamb of god.
Hahaha.  Beyond inhabiting the impossibly large and general genre of metal, Lamb of God has very little in common with "old school" bands like The Sword or Mastodon.  Lamb of God is just poor, boring metalcore.  

Hardcore can very occasionally be good, but this recent trend towards mixing it with metal almost always turns out poorly.  Shadows Fall and As I Lay Dying have good songs occasionally, but most of the bands, including Lamb of God, are unoriginal and bland.
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« Reply #84 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:18 »
Mixing hardcore with metal works very well, as long as you use the right kind of hardcore. See Stormtroopers of Death and Municipal Waste for further information.
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« Reply #85 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:22 »
I don't pretend to know anything about either hardcore itself or crossover like SOD, so yeah listen to Khar here.
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« Reply #86 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:39 »
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or lamb of god.
Hahaha.  Beyond inhabiting the impossibly large and general genre of metal, Lamb of God has very little in common with "old school" bands like The Sword or Mastodon.  Lamb of God is just poor, boring metalcore.  



Yeah, Lamb of God are pretty much fucking shit.


Hardcore+Metal can be done really well. Most times, it is not.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #87 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:44 »
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Yeah, Lamb of God are pretty much fucking shit.


Hardcore+Metal can be done really well. Most times, it is not.




For reference to the previous statement, see every single metalcore band save for Between the Buried and Me.
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« Reply #88 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:46 »
Yeah, I actually like Between the Buried and Me.  Pretty much all of metalcore is horrible. Horribles. Horrendous. Whoreible. Oh jeez.
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« Reply #89 on: 02 Apr 2006, 14:55 »
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Unfortunately I haven't heard Brave Murder Day. I've hear many good things about it though.


You should totally buy it. Brilliant death/doom metal.


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Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.


BIOHAZARD!!
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« Reply #90 on: 02 Apr 2006, 16:24 »
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Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.


early corrosion of conformity, yes ?
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« Reply #91 on: 02 Apr 2006, 16:44 »
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH



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« Reply #92 on: 02 Apr 2006, 17:47 »
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Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.


Why the hell has nobody mentioned Suicidal Tendencies yet?

I demand an explanation!

Or hookers!
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« Reply #93 on: 02 Apr 2006, 18:44 »
I really don't listen to as much Suicidal Tendencies as I should, although I do have their self titled. It's not bad. Not very metal at that point, although I assume they go the route of Bad Brains and slowly produce more elements of cheese metal in it?
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« Reply #94 on: 02 Apr 2006, 19:54 »
For Suicidal Tendencies, best to just ignore most of their post 1990 work and start paying attention to Infectious Grooves from that point, since it's where Robert Trujillo and Mike Muir seemed to be pouring all their creative energies at the time.
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« Reply #95 on: 02 Apr 2006, 20:34 »
Unfortunately my knowledge of  Hardcore+metal doesn't extend to the first wave of real crossover bands, I really only know about the crappy trend now, and that only because the metal media is all over the stupid metalcore bands.
It's not the fucking "New Wave of American Heavy Metal"
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« Reply #96 on: 03 Apr 2006, 09:17 »
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For Suicidal Tendencies, best to just ignore most of their post 1990 work and start paying attention to Infectious Grooves from that point, since it's where Robert Trujillo and Mike Muir seemed to be pouring all their creative energies at the time.


It's really too bad that Infectious Grooves sucks.  Well, I haven't listened to them in a while, but I remember it being really sub-par.
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« Reply #97 on: 03 Apr 2006, 17:07 »
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice.

This is my favourite Ice Hockey Metal album.*

* I'm only joking.
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« Reply #98 on: 03 Apr 2006, 17:24 »
IT'S FUNNY CAUSE IN HOCKEY PEOPLE BLEED
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« Reply #99 on: 03 Apr 2006, 21:01 »
TWO MINUTES FOR ROCKING
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