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« on: 28 Mar 2006, 19:56 »

After today's comic and the response it generated, I'd like to know - am I the only person in the forum who really likes the Strokes? =/

I don't mean "like" as in "they're okay and I listen to them once in a while". I mean, actually like and really enjoy the music they make.
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« Reply #1 on: 28 Mar 2006, 19:59 »

Yes, you are. Now go out and buy a Sabbath album and rock out the real way.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #2 on: 28 Mar 2006, 20:13 »

i really like the strokes. i like their first album best, their newest album second, and their middle album third. "is this it" (track one on first album) is probably one of my favorite basslines and as soon as i heard it i immediately sat down and learned how to play it.
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« Reply #3 on: 28 Mar 2006, 20:18 »

The Strokes are like ham.

Ham is pretty good and I might have it on a sandwich once in a while. That sandwich will be filling and quite edible.

But if the choice is between ham and say meatloaf or steak you can be pretty sure I'm not having lucheon meat. Hecht, theres better lucheon meat than ham also. Like turkey.

Still, i'll eat it.
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« Reply #4 on: 28 Mar 2006, 21:23 »

I take it you refer to the thin, clammy, square slices of ham that come in little plastic containers, rather than say, a totally delicious honey-glazed leg of ham that you slice up yourself.
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« Reply #5 on: 28 Mar 2006, 21:24 »

No. Even with those, Beef first.
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« Reply #6 on: 28 Mar 2006, 21:33 »

Not for a sandwich. Beef when roast with the proper accoutrements or in its incarnation as steak first, but a really nice ham sandwich beats a beef one.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 Mar 2006, 21:58 »

I'm not sure well cut honey baked ham belongs on sandwiches. Maybe leftovers I suppose, but I would never buy a ham with designs to make sandwiches. Also, I urge you not to forget turkey. Not only are the soggy pre-cut kind much better than any other soggy pre-cut luncheon meat but leftovers cut from the bird make tasty treats as well.


Edit: This entire post, by the way, is an allegory for the The Smiths
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« Reply #8 on: 28 Mar 2006, 22:12 »

So, only one person actually answered my question, since the ham example is what I was not looking for, if you read closely. =/ Buggah.

They must be really popular in Washington, since they have a show next month at the Paramount and it's already sold out. Hiss.
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Ew no?
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« Reply #9 on: 28 Mar 2006, 22:22 »

"Ew" about Sabbath?  GET OFF OF MY MESSAGE BOARD!
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« Reply #10 on: 28 Mar 2006, 22:36 »

She's right, who would voluntarily subject one's ears to Ozzy Osbourne?
You could contract the flue or something worse, the man is fucking contagious.

Back on topic I would say that Strokes are a decent band. Room on Fire was good, FIOE was an abomination, god it sucks, and I haven't heard Is This It.
I am a very very casual fan of theirs.
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« Reply #11 on: 28 Mar 2006, 22:59 »

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since the ham example is what I was not looking for


Huh? Granted my answer was couched in edible vernacular but I though it remained fairly clear. The answer is no, I do however,
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like (them) " as in "they're okay and I listen to them once in a while"



Regarding Black Sabath, to be fair, "ew" would probably be my reaction to anyone munching on smally flying animals. But I mean, come on they rock HARD.
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« Reply #12 on: 28 Mar 2006, 23:02 »

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I take it you refer to the thin, clammy, square slices of ham that come in little plastic containers, rather than say, a totally delicious honey-glazed leg of ham that you slice up yourself.


I think she's referring to the kind of ham with silly dolled-up hair, expensive leather jackets, vintage Orange amps, and trust funds.
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« Reply #13 on: 28 Mar 2006, 23:12 »

Just get something from the Dio era.

Yeah, I said it.
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« Reply #14 on: 28 Mar 2006, 23:48 »

She?
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« Reply #15 on: 29 Mar 2006, 01:23 »

First Impressions Of Earth is growing on me. Like a fungus.

I like Electricityscape.
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« Reply #16 on: 29 Mar 2006, 02:52 »

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since the ham example is what I was not looking for


Huh? Granted my answer was couched in edible vernacular but I though it remained fairly clear. The answer is no, I do however,
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like (them) " as in "they're okay and I listen to them once in a while"



Regarding Black Sabath, to be fair, "ew" would probably be my reaction to anyone munching on smally flying animals. But I mean, come on they rock HARD.


*ding ding ding ding*

And the 'sucking down an urban myth like so much rancid cum' award goes toooooo...
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« Reply #17 on: 29 Mar 2006, 04:52 »

Much as I'd love to Zing you, Ozzy really DID bite a bat's head off. Someone chucked it up onstage. He was coked off his eyeballs and thought it was a toy. Needed a fuckload of rabies shots afterwards, and probably a bit of mouthwash as well. Supposed to be one of the things that pursuaded him to try getting off the drugs.
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« Reply #18 on: 29 Mar 2006, 05:37 »

DynamiteKid, you might be getting your Ozzy Osbourne bat mutilation confused with your Alice Cooper chicken mutilation: Ozzy bit the bat, but with regards to Alice and the chicken he threw it back into the audience and it was the audience who ripped it apart.
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« Reply #19 on: 29 Mar 2006, 05:41 »

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DynamiteKid, you might be getting your Ozzy Osbourne bat mutilation confused with your Alice Cooper chicken mutilation: Ozzy bit the bat, but with regards to Alice and the chicken he threw it back into the audience and it was the audience who ripped it apart.


Yes, but he did it once, it's not like he did it at every fucking show. Last I checked, biting one bat doesn't make you a 'bat biter.' Does running a deer over by accident make you a hunter?
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« Reply #20 on: 29 Mar 2006, 06:39 »

Damn you,stereotypes made against musicians for their antics!
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« Reply #21 on: 29 Mar 2006, 06:45 »

Their first album was enjoyable, the second and third haven't caught my ear.

Of course, I haven't gone out of my way to listen to the second or third albums in depth or anything.
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« Reply #22 on: 29 Mar 2006, 06:52 »

And, although this is probably no longer relevant, Ozzy was solo when he nibbled on the old bat.

Wasn't Marilyn Manson supposed to have made his audience rip apart a puppy or a sack of kittens or something before he would continue playing, or something?
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« Reply #23 on: 29 Mar 2006, 08:38 »

The bat story is true, though to be fair he says he thought it was a toy.

In any case everyone is forgeting the prior incident with the dove at the meeting with his record company. I'm not saying it was routine or anything but twice is definitely enough for me to make jokes about it.

This might be complete shit but wasn't there a band that had someone commit suicide in the middle of the show? I heard something like that a few years back.
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« Reply #24 on: 29 Mar 2006, 08:47 »

There was a band planning to let a terminally ill guy come up and do his terminal thing in the middle of their set, but I'm not sure that actually happened.
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« Reply #25 on: 29 Mar 2006, 09:05 »

I would also like to point out that part of Ozzy's stage show was to bite the head off of a rubber bat at the time.  That's why he bit the head off the real one.  He thought the audience was just planning ahead and giving him a rubber one.  Still not as cool as Nitro and the wine glass.

Also, I was waiting for someone to say Dio.  He did some cool stuff with Sabbath, I'd say.
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« Reply #26 on: 29 Mar 2006, 10:36 »

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Does running a deer over by accident make you a hunter?


No, but "accidentally" biting a deer's head off does make you a murderer.
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« Reply #27 on: 29 Mar 2006, 10:54 »

I'm going to uncharacteristically stick to the thread topic and mention that I goddamn hate the Strokes. They make boring, sterile "garage" music for hipsters and wannabe artists who've never heard real garage music before. Saviors of rock and roll, my ass.
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« Reply #28 on: 29 Mar 2006, 11:18 »

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and I haven't heard Is This It.

But that’s the only one worth listening to. You're not even allowed to pass judgment on the strokes without listening to this album as it may as well be their entire career.
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« Reply #29 on: 29 Mar 2006, 11:30 »

I have to agree. Is This It is there only album that's honest-to-God great, whereas Room on Fire only had it's moments, and their latest repulses me.
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« Reply #30 on: 29 Mar 2006, 12:00 »

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I would also like to point out that part of Ozzy's stage show was to bite the head off of a rubber bat at the time.  That's why he bit the head off the real one.  He thought the audience was just planning ahead and giving him a rubber one.  Still not as cool as Nitro and the wine glass.

Also, I was waiting for someone to say Dio.  He did some cool stuff with Sabbath, I'd say.


Yes, I remember reading about that. Hell On Earth or something, I can't remember what their name was. Whoever they were, their singer then ran for Governor.
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« Reply #31 on: 29 Mar 2006, 12:52 »

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I'm going to uncharacteristically stick to the thread topic and mention that I goddamn hate the Strokes. They make boring, sterile "garage" music for hipsters and wannabe artists who've never heard real garage music before. Saviors of rock and roll, my ass.


Uh. "Garage music", isn't that some form of house or dance music, some scene in the UK? I was under the impression the The Strokes were only called a garage band because they play music that you would expect to hear from some kids practicing in their dad's garage. I mean, seriously, is there even a 'real' garage rock?
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« Reply #32 on: 29 Mar 2006, 14:07 »

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Yes, I remember reading about that. Hell On Earth or something, I can't remember what their name was. Whoever they were, their singer then ran for Governor.


Cool.  I only remember Nitro for two things.  First, their guitarist.  Michael Angelo Bation from the (in)famous "Speed Kills" and "Speed Lives" videos.  Second is for their motto.  "Louder, faster, better."
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« Reply #33 on: 29 Mar 2006, 14:38 »

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I'm going to uncharacteristically stick to the thread topic and mention that I goddamn hate the Strokes. They make boring, sterile "garage" music for hipsters and wannabe artists who've never heard real garage music before. Saviors of rock and roll, my ass.


Uh. "Garage music", isn't that some form of house or dance music, some scene in the UK? I was under the impression the The Strokes were only called a garage band because they play music that you would expect to hear from some kids practicing in their dad's garage. I mean, seriously, is there even a 'real' garage rock?


Ideally, garage music is something you'd expect to hear from kids in their garage-crude, fun, catchy-but I'd be hard-pressed to apply that descriptor to the overproduced, boring dreck that the Strokes play. Keep in mind also that garage rock is a dated term mostly applied to suburban teenage bands in the mid-to-late 60s. The closest things to it in recent years have been the Hives or the Teenage Harlets.
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I'm going to uncharacteristically stick to the thread topic and mention that I goddamn hate the Strokes. They make boring, sterile "garage" music for hipsters and wannabe artists who've never heard real garage music before. Saviors of rock and roll, my ass.


Uh. "Garage music", isn't that some form of house or dance music, some scene in the UK? I was under the impression the The Strokes were only called a garage band because they play music that you would expect to hear from some kids practicing in their dad's garage. I mean, seriously, is there even a 'real' garage rock?


Okay, let's step back here.

"Garage" is the term that generally refers to the early 80s post-disco period during which house music came into focus, and many forms of music derived from original Garage.  This includes "urbanized" forms of Garage in the UK like 2step Garage, UK Garage, and Grime.  The origin of the name comes from the association with Larry Levan's Paradise Garage.  I urge y'all to pick up Live at the Paradise Garage or Gwen Guthrie's Padlock to get an idea of Levan's DJ prowess.

"Garage Rock" is the raw, youthful rock & roll that emerged in the early 60s from surf rock, R&B and British Invasion influences.  We're talking stuff like "Louie Louie", the Electric Prunes, the Sonics, the Human Beinz, and more.  A good starter to listen to this stuff is Lenny Kaye's boxed-set Nuggets:  Original Artyfacts From the First Psychedelic Era, or the one-disc Nuggets from Nuggets cut taking highlights from the anthology.

Garage rock has undergone a few distinct revivals, but only the early 2000s revival (and to a lesser extent, the 80s Paisley underground) has gained much commercial success.  Groups that fall under this classification include the Strokes (often recognized as spearheading the movement), the Hives, the Vines, the Hellacopters, Jet, and the White Stripes (though their musical history can be traced to slightly different roots).  Rather unfortunate movement, that.

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« Reply #35 on: 29 Mar 2006, 14:53 »

"Garage rock" is a stupid term that has no real definition. People who get worked up about bands being "not real garage" are fools. The Strokes are a very good band who play tight pop songs with a kind of lazy Velvets-metronomic thing going on. Who cares if they are "garage" enough or not?

I like Room on Fire best ('Repitilia' is fucking amazing), Is This It second, although those two are pretty close in terms of quality. The new one is pretty patchy, but contains a few good bits.

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« Reply #36 on: 29 Mar 2006, 15:33 »

Um, Garage Rock and its revivals are actually fairly well-defined and easily discernable.  It sounds like your issue is less with the term itself and more with some group of critics who equate the quality of the Strokes' music with their adherence to the genre.  First off, you don't need to defend yourself or the Strokes against bad criticism (partly because they're flat-out wrong by saying the Strokes aren't garage rock revivalists and partly because the Strokes don't need defense to keep their fans), and second, your complaint has nothing to do with the genre itself.

Where did that come from?
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« Reply #37 on: 29 Mar 2006, 16:03 »

I was mostly resonding to Combinethresher's "They make boring, sterile "garage" music for hipsters and wannabe artists who've never heard real garage music before," comment.

Hence me saying "Who cares if they are "garage" enough or not?"

The problem I have is that "garage rock" is used to describe so many disparate bands that as a genre definition it has lost all meaning. The Datsuns and the White Stripes are two bands that are supposedly "garage rock", but their sounds and influences are almost completely different. Even bands like the Dirtbombs, who are pretty fucking garage rock, hate the term.

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« Reply #38 on: 29 Mar 2006, 16:12 »

I'd also recommend Back From the Grave for a great look at the 60s garage rock sound. That said, Nuggets is a good one too.

And my beef with the Strokes isn't that they aren't "garage" enough, it's that I think they suck. What makes it worse is that critics eagerly compare them to music I like, music that I think is a lot more fun and a lot less focused on image, and declare that they are reviving that style, when in fact their music is boring and overproduced. I'd be more inclined to call Jet, the Hives, and the Teenage Harlots (I spelled it wrong before) garage rock bands because they understand that garage rock was supposed to be fun and silly, for Chrissakes. In fact, the Hives' Barely Legal is an amazing album; along with being fun to listen to, it rocks hard. The Strokes can't keep up.

That's my take, anyway. If I sounded like a genre fascist before, my bad. That's the last thing I wanted to do.
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« Reply #39 on: 29 Mar 2006, 16:50 »

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Even bands like the Dirtbombs, who are pretty fucking garage rock, hate the term.

Yeah I'd hate it too if my band was constantly brought up in these debates.
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