Topic: Bands who you only really need to own a Best Of for... (Read 30901 times)

Tergon · « **Reply #50 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:35 »

Quote from: Gryff

Well, I could be more specific. If you're into that.

I would say that Nick Cave and REM cannot possibly be done justice in a best of, and I would say that most of your other choices do not deserve one!

Well, that's probably a bit harsh, but why would anyone need a Grinspoon best of? Or the Darkness, for that matter.

Anyway, what it boils down to is that my taste in music is much better than yours.

I'll conceed that the Darkness are a fairly cheap musical joke, but that's precisely the point. Provided that you take them no more seriously than they take themselves, they're entertaining. As for Grinspoon; well, there's no accounting for taste. True, listening to them too much does seem less pleasant than a mind-blowing threesome with hot models, but one or two songs are enjoyable. Provided they were included on the "Best Of" album it would be worth having.

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds... having recently purchased a "Best Of" album, I feel qualified to say that this CD meets my Nick Cave needs quite nicely. And a good "Best Of" mix would do justice to REM if it was done properly.

In conclusion, the question of whose musical taste is better falls to a matter of opinion, and cannot be conclusively argued here. I will be satisfied with the easily percievable facts, such as:
1 - My genitals are more favourably proportioned than yours.
2 - I am more intelligent and also more attractive to the opposite sex.
3 - It is highly likely that you fornicate with rubber and/or metallic phalluses on a daily basis.
4 - Neener neener neener.

Thank you for you time.

Gryff · « **Reply #51 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:42 »

5. You like Oasis, so all previous points must be discounted.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #52 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:42 »

Quote from: Gryff

Yes, but the Singles has far better sequencing and the most essential tracks. If you want all the obscure tracks then you just need to get Louder Than Bombs to complement the albums.

As a summary of their career, the Singles works better.

Yah, you are right, I'm just bitter Reel Around the Fountain was never a single. That and that they haven't issued a $50 Japan only Best of with Paint a Vulgar Picture as a bonus track.

On Oasis:
Their Best of should go:
1.- Helter Skelter (live)

Gryff · « **Reply #53 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:43 »

There really does need to be decent Smiths B-sides compilation. You always end up getting hundreds of double-ups trying to collect them all.

Tergon · « **Reply #54 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:50 »

Quote from: Gryff

5. You like Oasis, so all previous points must be discounted.

Dear Lord.

Liking Oasis is grounds for discounting logical statements? My good Gryff, many of their songs are classics; such concepts as "Good" and "Bad" do not enter the equation. These songs simply ARE, and their being is enough.
I cannot believe you are going to sit there and honestly tell me that you have no place in your heart for anything by Oasis. That you have never sat around a campfire with friends and a guitar singing Wonderwall. That you have never sat and enjoyed the sounds of Stop Crying Your Heart Out. That you have never sung along with Breakfast At Tiffany's and laughed afterwards at how foolish it sounded, yet still enjoyed the song in a deep dark corner of your heart.

Any individual who could say such things HAS NO SOUL, let alone any business making critical remarks of my own taste in music.
I bid you good day and wash my hands of this.

For shame.

Gryff · « **Reply #55 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:52 »

I disagree!

Tergon · « **Reply #56 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 21:58 »

I shouldn't have to live in a world where that statement - a REPETITION of that statemtent, no less - is able to conclusively win an argument.

Curse you, Gryff!

Storm Rider · « **Reply #57 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:27 »

Gryff has the distinction of not being in England, which makes him invulnerable to the mysterious spell of Oasis.

Tergon · « **Reply #58 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:33 »

...I'm in Australia, you know...

Houdinimachine · « **Reply #59 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:40 »

Same thing...

And I like Oasis and I live in America.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #60 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:44 »

Well then there is something wrong with you guys.

If you are not British, there is no reason to listen to Oasis.

Tergon · « **Reply #61 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 22:59 »

Quote from: Houdinimachine

Same thing...

And I like Oasis and I live in America.

Oh, please. Australia has more in common with America than it does England, and America has more in common with England than it does Australia. The only things England and Australia have in common are the sports that we Aussies consistently beat them at, and the fact that both countries know how to spell properly.

Rule #1 for dealing with Australians: NEVER EVER ACCUSE THEM OF BEING LIKE THE ENGLISH.

I have a few English friends and they're cool. But speaking as a nation, this is almost as offensive as saying that Aussies are like New Zealanders.
Frigging Kiwis.

Omnicide · « **Reply #62 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:03 »

Quote from: Storm Rider

If you are not British, there is no reason to listen to Oasis.

there's no reason for Brits to listen to them either, they're a pack of derivative fuckwits. A Best of Oasis CD would probably be about ten seconds long.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #63 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:31 »

Well, that's obvious, but you try telling British people that Oasis are shit.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #64 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:36 »

Quote from: Storm Rider

Also, if anyone knows the significance of that year, they get 5 million awesome points

We carried on down the road we chose
The path of nevermore
The journey ends, the book is closed
2084...

The best Hawkwind best-of I've ever seen is Master Of The Universe. They have a LOT of best-ofs though. Natural by-product of having so many albums and live recordings liscensed to so many different record labels.

Also, how come people in foreign lands jerk off over Oasis so hard? Did we never manage to export Pulp? If you must listen to brit-pop (hereafter referred to as 'the musically vacuous demon that destroyed all British music forever') at least listen to the good stuff.

blanko blanco · « **Reply #65 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:37 »

Even though I like Blur, I'm of the opinion that their best stuff is far enough ahead of their usual work to warrant only buying their Best Of.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #66 on:** 19 Apr 2006, 23:48 »

Khar, you are already off the awesome chart. Don't hog all the points.

Hat · « **Reply #67 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 00:37 »

Kansas is the only best of album I've ever heard that was worth listening to as an album in its own right, without owning any of the other albums.

The Beatles 1 is also pretty good at covering the best of their old stuff, considering I dont own anything before Revolver, and can't really be bothered looking for it.

Houdinimachine · « **Reply #68 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 02:45 »

Quote from: Tergon

Oh, please. Australia has more in common with America than it does England, and America has more in common with England than it does Australia. The only things England and Australia have in common are the sports that we Aussies consistently beat them at, and the fact that both countries know how to spell properly.

Rule #1 for dealing with Australians: NEVER EVER ACCUSE THEM OF BEING LIKE THE ENGLISH.

I have a few English friends and they're cool. But speaking as a nation, this is almost as offensive as saying that Aussies are like New Zealanders.
Frigging Kiwis.

Which is why I said it... was just joshin. I lub my Aussie brothers and sisters.

I secretly have a man crush on Ben Lee....

The extra letter · « **Reply #69 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 03:44 »

Concrete Blonde,
The Misfits (Danzig era only)

Kai · « **Reply #70 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 04:48 »

Quote from: Gryff

How many Zappa albums do you own, Kai?

A good most of them. I don't havesome of his more recent ones though, and I never bothered to buy any of the ones they really released after his death (Save for Civilization: Phase III). So yeah.

Thrillho · « **Reply #71 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 06:18 »

Quote from: Tergon

Quote from: Gryff
5. You like Oasis, so all previous points must be discounted.

Dear Lord.

Liking Oasis is grounds for discounting logical statements? My good Gryff, many of their songs are classics; such concepts as "Good" and "Bad" do not enter the equation. These songs simply ARE, and their being is enough.
I cannot believe you are going to sit there and honestly tell me that you have no place in your heart for anything by Oasis. That you have never sat around a campfire with friends and a guitar singing Wonderwall. That you have never sat and enjoyed the sounds of Stop Crying Your Heart Out.

That being a terrible song from their worst album?

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That you have never sung along with Breakfast At Tiffany's and laughed afterwards at how foolish it sounded, yet still enjoyed the song in a deep dark corner of your heart.

Er, that's not by Oasis.

And I agree that Nick Cave's albums, like, say, Bob Dylan, are too varied and widespread to be summed up in a Best of, especially since the Best of doesn't have anything from his post-2001 work on it.

Thrillho · « **Reply #72 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 06:25 »

Quote from: blanko blanco

Even though I like Blur, I'm of the opinion that their best stuff is far enough ahead of their usual work to warrant only buying their Best Of.

The Blur Best of is fairly well compiled, although there's a couple of omissions - Popscene, Chemical World - that I disagree with, and a couple of inclusions - Music Is My Radar, On Your Own - that I disagree with.

Quote from: E. Spaceman

On Oasis:
Their Best of should go:
1.- Helter Skelter (live)

Their version of that song is fucking terrible.

Quote from: Storm Rider

Gryff has the distinction of not being in England, which makes him invulnerable to the mysterious spell of Oasis.

It's not like America is immune to the 'only our country likes this stuff' thing.

You guys have country music. And Bruce Springsteen.

Quote from: Hat

The Beatles 1 is also pretty good at covering the best of their old stuff, considering I dont own anything before Revolver, and can't really be bothered looking for it.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people worship the Beatles' experimental stuff, and that so many people seem to think that Magical Mystery Tour is such a good album, and have never heard the pre-Revolver stuff properly. Help! is an almost perfect pop album, Rubber Soul is brilliant...and the singles between '63-65 pretty much can't be touched.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #73 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 07:10 »

Wait, people exist who like the Beatles and don't like Rubber Soul? What? That makes no sense to me. No sense at all. Anyone who claims to enjoy the music of the Beatles has no business not loving Rubber Soul. Their songwriting was never better than on that album (arguable exception: Run For Your Life)

And Magical Mystery Tour is a good album in its own right. The last 4 tracks are some of the best they ever did ... and I can understand if you don't like "I Am The Walrus," but I think it's awesome.

Fortnight · « **Reply #74 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 08:03 »

Quote from: karl gambolputty...

If we're talking about a hypothetical person who has no 'favorite' bands, and just wants to buy a bunch of Best Of's (sorry, Anthologies), to see if any catch his/her ear:

Talking Head's Once in a Lifetime (Greatest compilation EVER)

It's gorgeous set (I needed it for the videos), but it's a bit pricey for someone who'd be looking just to catch their drift. I think Sand in the Vaseline would be better suited for something like that, or even The Name Of This Band even though it's not really a compilation.

As for best of only arists.. the only one that comes to mind is ABBA [Gold].

Thrillho · « **Reply #75 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 08:16 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard

Wait, people exist who like the Beatles and don't like Rubber Soul? What? That makes no sense to me. No sense at all. Anyone who claims to enjoy the music of the Beatles has no business not loving Rubber Soul. Their songwriting was never better than on that album (arguable exception: Run For Your Life)

And Magical Mystery Tour is a good album in its own right. The last 4 tracks are some of the best they ever did ... and I can understand if you don't like "I Am The Walrus," but I think it's awesome.

I don't know the tracklisting inside out; I just know the songs that I know from that album are pretty awful. Only A Northern Song, despite being fairly witty, is terrible. Flying, the title track, Walrus...everything I've heard from it is shite.

Brian Majestic · « **Reply #76 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 08:51 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

and I plan on getting a Marvin Gaye collection.

No, no. There's no way to cap the brilliance of Marvin Gaye in just one collection..."Whats Going On" is one of the greatest albums of ALL TIME. A collection without that album on both cd and vinyl is a collection that is not worthy enough to be considered "collection" Beyond that, I guess you could get the four-disc anthology, which includes early stuff with Tammi Terrell, to his "urban hobo" era, and includes some rarities, like a live version of The Star Spangled Banner, which brings the funk like no other.

Thrillho · « **Reply #77 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 09:05 »

Quote from: Brian Majestic

Quote from: DynamiteKid
and I plan on getting a Marvin Gaye collection.

No, no. There's no way to cap the brilliance of Marvin Gaye in just one collection..."Whats Going On" is one of the greatest albums of ALL TIME. A collection without that album on both cd and vinyl is a collection that is not worthy enough to be considered "collection" Beyond that, I guess you could get the four-disc anthology, which includes early stuff with Tammi Terrell, to his "urban hobo" era, and includes some rarities, like a live version of The Star Spangled Banner, which brings the funk like no other.

My dad owns What's Going On and I have it ripped from that. It's brilliant. But I feel no need for any more than that. I'm not into the 'urban hobo' stuff and I don't generally give a shit about rarities by my favourite bands, even...

Spartan Pho3nix · « **Reply #78 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 09:16 »

Quote from: Not An Addict

The Clash.

Actually, we have that. It's called "London Calling."

karl gambolputty... · « **Reply #79 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 10:46 »

Quote from: Fortnight

Quote from: karl gambolputty...
If we're talking about a hypothetical person who has no 'favorite' bands, and just wants to buy a bunch of Best Of's (sorry, Anthologies), to see if any catch his/her ear:

Talking Head's Once in a Lifetime (Greatest compilation EVER)

It's gorgeous set (I needed it for the videos), but it's a bit pricey for someone who'd be looking just to catch their drift. I think Sand in the Vaseline would be better suited for something like that, or even The Name Of This Band even though it's not really a compilation.

Granted. Hell, it's too pricey for me, and I'm a fan. But *looks over shoulder* there are... ways, of getting your hands on albums without technically paying for them. I borrowed it from my school's library.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #80 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 10:50 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Also, how come people in foreign lands jerk off over Oasis so hard? Did we never manage to export Pulp?

No, Pulp was mostly a miserable failure overseas. A real shame, they are my favourite of the lot, with Blur a close second

Quote from: Dynamite Kid

Their version of that song is fucking terrible.

Still better than all of their other stuff, and since the compilation would be "Best Of" and not "Good Songs By" I' say I'm right.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #81 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 11:14 »

I am the Walrus is my favourite Beatles song, and has been since I was four, which is when I learned to sing along to it.

I do not, in fact, particularly enjoy Rubber Soul. I do not, in fact enjoy pop music. I do not, in fact, think creating good pop music is laudible. The artistic equivalent of pop music is creating a pretty picture for a postcard. Yeah, occasionally someone who can paint a relatively pleasing or amusing postcard comes around, but even the best saucy postcard isn't fucking Oscar Wilde, or even a Giles cartoon. Sometimes, someone comes along who can make a pretty decent conventional pop song. But 'pretty decent' is all its ever going to be. Saying the Beatles were best at creating pop music is like saying you like Andy Warhol for his advertising work.

Actually, Pulp didn't do nearly well enough in their native land either. Only one big hit, a few minor ones, one or two very well-selling albums...they deserved more out of brit-pop when you looked at what WAS selling.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #82 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 12:17 »

BEACH BOYS
Van Halen

Thrillho · « **Reply #83 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 14:13 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

I am the Walrus is my favourite Beatles song, and has been since I was four, which is when I learned to sing along to it.

I do not, in fact, particularly enjoy Rubber Soul. I do not, in fact enjoy pop music. I do not, in fact, think creating good pop music is laudible. The artistic equivalent of pop music is creating a pretty picture for a postcard. Yeah, occasionally someone who can paint a relatively pleasing or amusing postcard comes around, but even the best saucy postcard isn't fucking Oscar Wilde, or even a Giles cartoon. Sometimes, someone comes along who can make a pretty decent conventional pop song. But 'pretty decent' is all its ever going to be. Saying the Beatles were best at creating pop music is like saying you like Andy Warhol for his advertising work.

I completely disagree. All of the Beatles pop songs would have to be fucking brilliant postcard illustrations, whereas modern pop is one of those jaunty 'Wish You Were Here!' postcards.

It bemuses me that 'I Am The Walrus' is so lauded, when it really is just three half finished songs and an acid trip put in a blender.

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Actually, Pulp didn't do nearly well enough in their native land either. Only one big hit, a few minor ones, one or two very well-selling albums...they deserved more out of brit-pop when you looked at what WAS selling.

To be fair, 'This Is Hardcore' felt like a deliberate effort to kill their fame on the part of Jarvis Cocker.

Different Class is still shifting lots of copies, I think.

karl gambolputty... · « **Reply #84 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 14:31 »

They probably sold a bunch after that Shatner cover got popular.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #85 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 14:52 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

To be fair, 'This Is Hardcore' felt like a deliberate effort to kill their fame on the part of Jarvis Cocker.

I think of it as more of a "we are not like Oasis or Menswear" album, it's also my second favourite one.

Tergon · « **Reply #86 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 16:16 »

Quote from: tommydski

Quote from: Tergon
Dear Lord.

Liking Oasis is grounds for discounting logical statements? My good Gryff, many of their songs are classics; such concepts as "Good" and "Bad" do not enter the equation. These songs simply ARE, and their being is enough.
I cannot believe you are going to sit there and honestly tell me that you have no place in your heart for anything by Oasis. That you have never sat around a campfire with friends and a guitar singing Wonderwall. That you have never sat and enjoyed the sounds of Stop Crying Your Heart Out. That you have never sung along with Breakfast At Tiffany's and laughed afterwards at how foolish it sounded, yet still enjoyed the song in a deep dark corner of your heart.

Any individual who could say such things HAS NO SOUL, let alone any business making critical remarks of my own taste in music.
I bid you good day and wash my hands of this.

For shame.

this is the best post i have ever read on the internet.
it is an exercise it utter hilarity, every line makes the previous one look thin by comparison. it accumulates like a snowball of inadequacy until at the end it becomes an avalanche of pure undiluted mirth.
it is the post that says 'i am thirteen and i live with my parents'.

salut senor Tergon! you are the great comedic writer of your era and you do not even know it. i suggest you continue writing in this style and i will help you find a publisher for it. i would buy ten copies of it myself.

Nineteen, actually. And I live on campus at University.
But thank you for your kind words. Hey, I'm a languages and literature student. Ridiculously over-the-top self-mockery in unusually floral and wordy statemtns is what I *do*.
Glad you liked it.

Quote from: DynamiteKid

Er, that's not by Oasis.

Uh... I knew that. I mean, yes it is. Shut up.

Meh, whatever. Rule #1 of music love is that EVERYONE has their secret musical shame. They all have the one band that they like which nobody else likes. For me, that happens to be Oasis.

Oh, come on. I suppose all of *you* have such impeccable tastes in music that nobody could *ever* dislike any of your favourite bands?
Give it up, you've all got a dirty little secret. So next time you feel like mocking me for liking Oasis, remember that album that you play all the time but don't admit you own in case people laugh. And remember that at least I had the balls to ADMIT it.

Hah.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #87 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 16:37 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

It bemuses me that 'I Am The Walrus' is so lauded, when it really is just three half finished songs and an acid trip put in a blender.

As I said, I started liking I Am The Walrus when I was four. I would loudly shout "I AM THE EGGMAN, I AM THE EGGMAN" in the car. I didn't like it becuase it was pretentious or lauded or whatever. I liked it because it was the funnest thing I'd ever heard, ever. Even more fun than the Captain Planet Theme tune. It was MIND-BLOWING SHIT when I was four, ok?

Also, I Am The Walrus isn't actually an acid trip song, as far as I'm aware. It was written as a gently mocking tribute to surrealism, psychedelia, etc. and as a slap in the face to the type of Beatles fans who would analyse their lyrics like Shakespeare: It's all random, meaningless crap, like a lyrical Rorschach blot.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #88 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 16:42 »

Quote from: Tergon

Oh, come on. I suppose all of *you* have such impeccable tastes in music that nobody could *ever* dislike any of your favourite bands?
Give it up, you've all got a dirty little secret. So next time you feel like mocking me for liking Oasis, remember that album that you play all the time but don't admit you own in case people laugh. And remember that at least I had the balls to ADMIT it.

Hah.

There is a Guilty Pleasures thread alrady. I'll readily admit I liked the first Mars Volta album.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #89 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 17:39 »

Quote from: tommydski

y'know what? i have both of the junior senior albums. that's fucking diabolical.

Satan called, he wants to hire you as a media consultant.

Bastardous Bassist · « **Reply #90 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 18:00 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

It bemuses me that 'I Am The Walrus' is so lauded, when it really is just three half finished songs and an acid trip put in a blender.

I don't give a shit about the lyrics. Actually, I greatly dislike the lyrics, yet it's still my favorite Beatles song. Why? Because I like the way the words sound with the music and I think it sits really well. I think it just plain sounds good. I also like Day in the Life a bunch (yeah, I'm not familiar enough with the Beatles to go through their entire catalogue and pick out a favorite song that is nobody else's favorite song, darn).

Tergon · « **Reply #91 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:10 »

*humps tommy's leg*

Okay, got a 'nuther one... how about a "Best Of" by Danny Elfman? That there is an album I'd like to get my hands on. And it would remove a bunch of tracks you don't really need. For example, if you get the Spider-Man Theme, you don't *need* the Dock Ock Theme.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #92 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:14 »

On the subject of soundtracks, you really don't need anything more than an Ennio Morricone best-of, if you pick well.

Tergon · « **Reply #93 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:17 »

True.

The Jackass soundtrack was funny for... oh, about seven minutes. Now I just sorta wonder what the hell I was on when I bought it.

Johnny C · « **Reply #94 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 20:54 »

Khar: I assume you disagree with Crime & Dissonance's billing as "The Essential Morriconography," then?

Storm Rider · « **Reply #95 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 21:17 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

It's not like America is immune to the 'only our country likes this stuff' thing.

You guys have country music. And Bruce Springsteen.

Granted. However, 80% of the demand for country music comes from the South. It's very different when you look at record charts from California as compared to nation (they have them in the San Francisco Chronicle). A country album will top out at about 15-20 here, when it may be 2nd or 3rd nationwide.

IronOxide · « **Reply #96 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 21:18 »

The Stray Cats can be summed up in a best of album that would be worth buying.

It is a bad idea however, to buy a best of the Ramones album. It's painfully repetitive.

Patrick · « **Reply #97 on:** 21 Apr 2006, 00:47 »

You're all wrong, My Chemical Romance invented good music as we know it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thrillho · « **Reply #98 on:** 21 Apr 2006, 07:12 »

I have specifically read that one of the parts of I Am the Walrus (the police-siren-ish-bit) was written during an acid trip.

Patrick · « **Reply #99 on:** 21 Apr 2006, 13:59 »

Hey I've read that water is wet and the sky is full of air!

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Author Topic: Bands who you only really need to own a Best Of for... (Read 30901 times)

Omnicide

blanko blanco

Fortnight

Spartan Pho3nix

Kid Modernist