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J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread
jose:
this thread is fucking infuriating. I hope all the same people who are up in arms about the violent/sexual messages in mainstream hip hop say the same when discussing pre-war blues.
I'll just quote a little Mississippi John Hurt:
here's your sexual hip hop candy metaphor:
--- Quote ---Well all you ladies gather 'round
That good sweet candy man's in town
It's the candy man
It's the candy man
He likes a stick of candy just nine inch long
He sells as fast a hog can chew his corn
It's the candy man...
All heard what sister Johnson said
She always takes a candy stick to bed
Don't stand close to the candy man
He'll leave a big candy stick in your hand
He sold some candy to sister Bad
The very next day she took all he had
If you try his candy, good friend of mine,
you sure will want it for a long long time
His stick candy don't melt away
It just gets better, so the ladies say
--- End quote ---
misogynistic macho violent hip hop:
--- Quote ---Ain't nobody's dirty business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but mine
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
Some of these mornin's, gonna wake up crazy
Gonna grab my gun and kill my baby
Nobody's business but mine
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
Some of these mornin's gonna wake up boozy
Gonna grab my gun, gonna kill old Suzie
Ain't nobody's business but mine
Goin' back to Pensacola, goin' to buy my babe a money moulder
Nobody's business but my own
Say babe, did you get that letter?
Would you take me back, I'll treat you better?
Nobody's business but mine
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
Some of these mornin's, goin' to wake up crazy
Gonna grab my gun, gonna kill my baby
Nobody's business but mine
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
Ain't nobody's doggone business, how my baby's treatin' me
Nobody's business but my own
--- End quote ---
Story telling gansta rap:
--- Quote ---Mrs. Collins weeped, Mrs. Collins moaned,
to see her son Louis leavin' home
The angels laid him away
The angels laid him away,
they laid him six feet under the clay
The angels laid him away
Mrs. Collins weeped, Mrs. Collins moaned,
to see her son Louis leavin' home
The angels laid him away
Oh, Bob shot once and Louis shot too,
shot poor Collins, shot him through and through
The angels laid him away
Oh, kind friends, oh, ain't it hard?,
to see poor Louis in a new graveyard
The angels laid him away
The angels laid him away,
they laid him six feet under the clay
The angels laid him away
Oh, when they heard that Louis was dead
all the people they dressed in red
The angels laid him away
--- End quote ---
These are far from the exception. Bessie Smith sings about shooting her man with a "fourty-four" if he cheats on her. Here's some John Lee Hooker "Look man, I told you one time before
But this time, I'm gonna teach you,
a little lesson, you won't forget
Take this man, right down by, the riverside
I might drown you,
I might shoot you,
I don't know
gonna tie your hands, gonna tie your feet
gag you so you can't talk to nobody
I'm mad, rrrrr, I'm mad with you
you're sinkin', I'm mad"
I'll wait for the chorus of people who say that's only "pop blues" and that they only listen to the underground socially conscious blues.
I would probably not be bothered if people were just like "I don't dig the sound" but there was a lot of
--- Quote from: Outshined ---Hip hop, isn't that the genre of music where they only ever sing about getting rich, knifing "gangstas" and boning drunken hoes? Yeah, I think that was the one.
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--- Quote from: Not An Addict ---He's right about mainstream hip-hop, though. Bitches, ho's, blunts, big pimpin', candy shops, Polaroid pictures.
--- End quote ---
and
--- Quote from: Praeserpium Machinarum ---I'll join the choir who dislike gangsta. I think the views they express through rapping are misguided and stupid. The message is what I have a problem with, to say that is akin to listening to a nazi band is a bit strong but I definitely disagree vehemently. Why? because I think it has a debasing effect, glorifying violence, degrading women, promoting ignorance etc. and the music isn't even that great. The most horryfying aspect being crunk and lord of shouting, Lil' Jon. It is a disease that needs to be rid ;)
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in this thread
I mean those were the blantantly bad responses. A lot of people who responded were like "no that's just mainstream rap" "you're so close-minded when you say that; you should listen to old school, indie, and backpacker rap" without the slightest hint of irony.
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard ---
This depends on interpretation. I can listen to a rock star ranting about their drug abuse and think "Goddamn, he's a fucking rock star, what he does must be cool" and voila, the rock star is advocating drug use to me. I can listen to a rap star doing the same and think "Well, I certainly don't want to end up like him, better stay away" and said rap star is suddenly an anti-drug figure. I think a lot (not all, because there is definitely more intentional glorification of this stuff in rap than there is in rock nowadays ... but a lot) of people's problems with rap is that they percieve glorification when it's really an ambiguous message, and I've got a hunch that this is usually the result of a bias. That's OK, we've all got our biases, but I would shy away from objectively judging rap in this fashion, because if you listen to a lot of it with the intention of hearing an ambiguous message, I think you'll find a lot more of them than you did previously.
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I agree with most of your points, except I'm less "okay" with peoples biases. my bias is that if you like music you should be open minded about it, not one of those "OMG i liek everything but [mainstream] country and [mainstream] rap" people
Scandanavian War Machine:
i thought i would resurrect this thread to see if anyone here listens to Haiku D'etat. i have been listening to them alot lately and really enjoy it, so i thought i'd see what you guys thought about them.
for the record, the group consists of aceylone, mikah 9, and abstract rude.
good stuff.
Jolouie:
Busdriver.
Juggaknots.
They're the only two I haven't seen just by skimming over this, although I'm sure they've been at least mentioned.
Johnny C:
I like you, Jose.
The Eyeball Kid:
Ok... i don't listen to any rap besides like Eminem, Buck 65, and Sage Francis (and even that not much). I've heard a bit of stuff, like early stuff and what little i hear when i'm accidently exposed to mainstream music... but i'm just not into it.
What would you guys recomend? I don't even like the Beastie boys... Kanye is pretty cool, i guess. i'm more of a classic rock/indie pop/twee kinda dude
there must be SOMETHING i'd like, since i need to broaden my horizons. anyone writing raps about sweaters and girls who read books?
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