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J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread
Outshined:
Heard some Immortal Technique for the first time today, and it was pretty good, actually. A step up lyrically, for sure.
In regards to est's commentary and JC: It's true that sex and violence in music is no new thing, but what really irks me is the social irresponsibility of the artists. A ton of young, impressionable kids listen to this genre, and it just infuriates me that in spite of this, they make this wash for the express point of selling to this demographic, who eat it up word for word. They aren't setting a particularly good example and they glorify that, and I really think it's starting to reflect on the mentality of kids nowadays.
jose:
t.i. - king
beat mouse:
--- Quote from: Johnny C ---Buck 65, contrary to certain expressed beliefs, still makes hip hop music. He just incorporates blues elements and elements of his home - the Canadian maritimes - into his music. He also made the song "Devil's Eyes." But that is not representative of his newer work.
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and if you listen to the rest of the album (I put secret house as my best of 05) barely any of it is hip-hop. the first three songs can be described as 1) johnny cash, 2) a french piano ballad, and 3) math rock. the fourth song is similar to talkin honkey blues, which was already a huge step away from hiphop. he's moving towards more singing-like vocals (though it's still closer to.. talking) and the album moves back to more honky blues esque material and back to simple country songs. not to mention Drawing Curtains, one of my favourite songs on the album (if not #1) is NOTHING like hiphop.
not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but the album is nothing close to it. compare it to Square or Vertex era Buck and it's like listening to two different artists. Nothing but amazing growth from him.
and to the guy ^ who said T.I. - King... YESNO. There are a few song early on in the album that are KICKASS, but the album has dry patches where i find it totally boring. It's a pretty huge variety on the good meter.
And I can't possibly be the only guy who likes rap about sex guns and cars? It's not like I give two or three shtis about Conor Oberst's ex-girlfriend, so I can hardly see how the majority of music's content can be passed along, but rap music is cheap and horrible and should be demeritted because it's "mature" to rag on the lifestyle.
and since WHEN were ANY musicians rolemodels? if it isnt 50 cent singing about sex and drugs it's minus the bear singing about sex and drugs, or aerosmith singing about sex and drugs, or tori amos singing about sex and drugs. musician's lifestyles and image are NEVER good for rolemodels, so again, you can't dock rap for that.
onewheelwizzard:
I think the problem with the lifestyles that rap stars talk about is that their music is marketed to a younger demographic than most music. If you listen to the radio, which is where most young'uns get their music, nothing comes close to rap when it comes to violence, sex, and drugs. Yes, other musicians talk about a lot of the same stuff and aren't targeted for it, but other musicians don't have a fanbase younger than 16 for the most part. Rap does, which is why people are actually concerned about its content.
And for the record, I really like when a good rapper starts boasting about the people he robbed, the drugs he does, the girls he fucks, and the size of his penis. If he's really good at it, it makes for great rap.
beat mouse:
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard ---I think the problem with the lifestyles that rap stars talk about is that their music is marketed to a younger demographic than most music. If you listen to the radio, which is where most young'uns get their music, nothing comes close to rap when it comes to violence, sex, and drugs. Yes, other musicians talk about a lot of the same stuff and aren't targeted for it, but other musicians don't have a fanbase younger than 16 for the most part. Rap does, which is why people are actually concerned about its content.
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...uh, you mean every 12 year old on the planet with that led zeppelin shirt and a skateboard listens to 50 cent?
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