Topic: Up the punks (Read 32352 times)

KharBevNor · « **on:** 22 Apr 2006, 17:30 »

So, I've been listening to a lot of punk and punk type stuff (new wave, psychobilly etc.) recently, and by that I mean bands like Cock Sparrer, New Model Army, The Anti-Nowhere League, Tenpole Tudor, The Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers, The Meteors, old John Otway, Dead Kennedies, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, X-Ray Spex, The Vandals, The Misfits etc. etc.

When I think punk, I mainly think classic British stuff, and some American hardcore. Modern/90's American punk tends to sound a bit of a sameness to me, though there are of course some artists I like, and some random tracks I rate quite highly: I'm a bit partial to older Anti-Flag stuff for example (Die For Your Government!) and of course American psychobilly and complete left-field stuff like Leftover Crack.

So, do you like punk? What punk do you like? What do you think punk is? What do you think punk means? What is the most quintessential punk song ever?

In my opinion, it is 'So What?' by the Anti-Nowhere League. If you haven't heard it, do so now.

Evan · « **Reply #1 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 17:37 »

Adolescents and Reagan Youth are a few of the greatest 80's punk bands.

valley_parade · « **Reply #2 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:12 »

Hahaha, yes! Cock Sparrer is awesome.

I got tickets for Warped Tour mainly because I heard Buzzcocks were playing a few dates. Unfortunately not the one I'm going to.

Anyway. 'Punk' bands that I like (not previously mentioned):
Bad Religion, Ramones, DK, Dropkick Murphys (how I got into Cock Sparrer), nofx, Lawrence Arms, Sham 69, Rancid, old Green Day, Rise Against, Millencolin, Refused.

jcknbl · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:14 »

Television, the Clash, the Talking Heads and the Dead Kennedys are all awesome. I haven't really heard as much as I should but a lot of hardcore stuff sounds exactly the same (uninteresting that is). I'll plead ignorance regarding the British scene post 1980 or so.

As a someone born and raised in DC I'd like to apoligize to everyone for straight-edge.

valley_parade · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:15 »

And Jesus Christ, I love the Clash. But they trancend many a genre.

Evan · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:18 »

Quote from: jcknbl

Television, the Clash, the Talking Heads and the Dead Kennedys are all awesome. I haven't really heard as much as I should but a lot of hardcore stuff sounds exactly the same (uninteresting that is). I'll plead ignorance regarding the British scene post 1980 or so.

As a someone born and raised in DC I'd like to apoligize to everyone for straight-edge.

Truth.

El Opium · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:19 »

For 80s American punk I mainly go with the SST school: Black Flag, The Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Husker Du, etc. The Circle Jerks also do the 80s SoCal hardcore thing but I've not extensively listened to them. If you're willing to give post-punk a chance Wire's Pink Flag is a must listen.

Oh, and if anyone tries to start a debate about what punk is in this thread I vote they get stabbed with a mace.

"The key to being a real punk; I'm talking about not caring about what anyone thinks or even what you think because it's all subordinate to what you gotta do."-Grady Runyan of Monoshock

Ravenbomb · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:22 »

The Clash, Ramones, Velvet Underground, Patti Smith, Rich Kids, Public Image, Generation X, some Dead Kennedys, and Glen Matlock-era Sex Pistols

I also recommend the "Punk: Attitude" documentary, it's really good

KharBevNor · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:32 »

Man, has anyone else here actually heard New Model Army? They are brilliant. They skirt punk, post-punk, folk and goth. Very melodic. Kinda like The Levellers meets The Clash with a dash of Sisters of Mercy. Very good stuff, and also (this is how I found them) one of the major non-metal influences on Skyclad.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 18:47 »

THE MISFISTS YEAR YEAH YEAH (dont mine me im drunk)

EDIT:L ISN'T is like UP TEH PUNX? with the ex?

Skibas_clavicle · « **Reply #10 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 19:20 »

MISFITS!
Hot Water Music
The Lawrence Arms
One Man Army
Bouncing Souls
Bad Brains
Anti-Flag
X-Ray Spex
Adolescents
the odd Propagandhi song
Rocket From The Crypt
Alkaline Trio
Fugazi
Circle Jerks
Black Flag

I'm also quite partial to alt-punk, for example:
Jawbreaker
Jawbox
Mission To Burma
Burning Airlines
Shiner
Les Savy Fav

Panbombadil · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 19:23 »

Don't forget Die Toten Hosen. Extra points for being German.

Skibas_clavicle · « **Reply #12 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 19:26 »

Wow, I shoulda read everyone's lists before I wrote mine. I feel so redundant.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 19:31 »

thumbs up to Skibas. some of my favorites are:

Jawbreaker
Screeching Weasel
Fugazi
Leatherface
Connie Dungs/A Radio With Guts
The Methadones
Against Me!
The Lawrence Arms
The Broadways
The Soviettes
The Suicide Machines
Descendents
Dillinger Four
Bad Religion
The Ergs
Minor Threat
The Minutemen
The Buzzcocks
The Clash

honorable mention, because i'm not sure if they really count or not: The Aquabats!

Skibas_clavicle · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 19:49 »

Your list is officially amazingly fantabulous. It's the most official list rating there is. I can't believe I forgot The Screeching Weasels, The Methadones, Suicide Machines and The Broadways though.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 20:26 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

So, I've been listening to a lot of punk and punk type stuff (new wave, psychobilly etc.) recently, and by that I mean bands like Cock Sparrer, New Model Army, The Anti-Nowhere League, Tenpole Tudor, The Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers, The Meteors, old John Otway, Dead Kennedies, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, X-Ray Spex, The Vandals, The Misfits etc. etc.

I just listened to that Cock Sparrer track you put in the Forced Listening thread (Ill wait to see if someone else reviews it though) and I loved it. That's the kind of music I think of when someone says punk.

I love some of the others on everyones list but othersI've never head, that has to change.

Anyway, most of the ones I like have been said but I believe no one said

Richard Hell & the Voidoids

Borondir · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 21:44 »

In general I don't really enjoy punk, but recently I've been falling in love with psychobilly in the form of Tiger Army. I also love folksy punk bands like Flogging Molly and Gogol Bordello.

Also, if I'm in the mood, a song or two from Alkaline Trio, Anti-Flag, the Dead Kennedy's or even...gasp...AFI can be fun.

Evilpopsicleguy · « **Reply #17 on:** 22 Apr 2006, 22:30 »

I just picked up the (new?) Against Me! album, Searching For A Former Clarity the other day. it's reallly freaking good. definitely the best Punk album I've listened to this year. in the past they've been labelled as emo, or just plain screechy and annoying, but this album is the apitimy of punk. it even has a small western influence to it (not quite country, just very...twangy...it's a good thing.) seriously, check it out if at all possible.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 00:30 »

i've never heard anyone call Against Me! emo. their music doesn't even vaguely resemble emo.

P.S.- "epitome"

The extra letter · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 03:18 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Man, has anyone else here actually heard New Model Army? They are brilliant. They skirt punk, post-punk, folk and goth. Very melodic. Kinda like The Levellers meets The Clash with a dash of Sisters of Mercy. Very good stuff, and also (this is how I found them) one of the major non-metal influences on Skyclad.

I love New Model Army. I've just managed to find a best of + live CD thing, but damnit I love them lots. I came into this thread to go "BOO RAH, NEW MODEL ARMY! BOO RAH HURRAH!"

Kai · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 03:27 »

Quote from: ImRonBurgundy?

i've never heard anyone call Against Me! emo. their music doesn't even vaguely resemble emo.

P.S.- "epitome"

Yeah, seriously, what the hell?

Also: REINVENTING AXL ROSE IS BETTER OLOLOL

KharBevNor · « **Reply #21 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 04:15 »

Quote from: Borondir

Also, if I'm in the mood, a song or two from Alkaline Trio, Anti-Flag, the Dead Kennedy's or even...gasp...AFI can be fun.

There's nothing much wrong, in my opinion, with the early AFI stuff, up to about Black Sails in the Sunset.

Also, GOGOL FOOKIN' BORDELLO!

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 04:28 »

Gogol Bordello is badass.

Hat · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 05:18 »

I dont know a lot about Punk, but I know that Six Ft Hick is precisely what I like.

This may be because they are pretty much the most awesome fucking band in the entire history of Australia, but thats' hardly relevant.

Whackman · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 07:24 »

Well, born and raised sweden, i can't help to worship the New wave/Punkrock band Ebba Grön from the late 70s. They were and are the Ultimate swedish punkrock group. Their greatest songs are Staten & Kapitalet (The State & the capital) and 800 Grader(800 degrees), but Staten & kapitalet is writen by Blå Tåget(Blue Train). If you by any chance check them out and need help to figure the lyrics, i can help.

Hat · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 07:30 »

I am quite curious as to whether in the opinion of this board, there is anything wrong with anything the Vandals ever did.

Its just I spent most of my 12-17 years listening to the Vandals, and I was kind of curious is all. Apparently Josh Freese is kind of a whore, but as awesome as an industry whore is capable of being.

Kai · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 07:38 »

*shrug* I really like the Vandals myself, so.

grrraham · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 13:45 »

The Vandals are awesome.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #28 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 16:13 »

i liked The Vandals a lot in high school, and still listen to them now and again. i wasn't really impressed with Internet Dating Superstuds, though, and haven't really listened to anything they've done since then.

"Power Mustache" is a badass song.

Combinethresher · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 20:46 »

I've been listening to a lot of US Bombs, Dead Kennedys (best band ever, in my opinion), Zero Boys, Briggs, and Fleshies lately. I suggest you do the same.

Punk is fun, ideally. It's an outlet for people who want to play music and have the passion and the ambition, if not always the talent.

If psychobilly's your thing, look up Mad Sin, Godless Wicked Creeps, Lucky Devils, Mad Heads, Gorilla, Peacocks, and Season of Nightmares. It's all good stuff, and a lot of those bands are more musically sound than you'd expect.

I can't think of a quintessential punk song, but an album that, for me, defines the genre is DK's Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #30 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 06:51 »

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Peacocks

this band does the best version of "Ballroom Blitz" EVER recorded.

valley_parade · « **Reply #31 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 08:20 »

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if not always the talent.

-cough-Sex Pistols.-cough-

Combinethresher · « **Reply #32 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 11:21 »

Quote from: ImRonBurgundy?

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Peacocks

this band does the best version of "Ballroom Blitz" EVER recorded.

Actually, Batmobile does, but Peacocks come in a close second and are an amazing band.

Not every Sex Pistol was talentless; Paul Cook and Glen Matlock were an effective, if basic, rhythm section. And the cut of "Submission" with Sid on bass is amazing, but that was before heroin destroyed him.

Interestingly enough, all four original Pistols blossomed into decent musicians later on, and are technically better in their current reunion shows than in their heyday.

Besides, it could be worse; plenty of indie bands can't play for shit, with the additional weight of being lackluster.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #33 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 13:52 »

Batmobile are just great though.

jariku · « **Reply #34 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 01:17 »

Insanely fast latin american hardcore punk, pagan crust, eastern european old school hardcore punk, doomy punk, crazy swedish thrash, new school "dark" hc and finnish 82hc FTW!

I love Catharsis/Ümlaut, Iowaska, Amebix/Zygote, Los Crudos/Limp Wrist, New Model Army, Homomilitia, His Hero Is Gone, Tragedy, From Ashes Rise, Refused, DS-13, Post Regiment and so on. New-ish favorites from Finland include Abduktio, Unkind, Dead In The Water, Hero Dishonest, Wheel Of Dharma and Armageddon Clock.

The older stuff that tickles my fancy includes Misfits, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Youth Of Today, Terveet Kädet, Mellakka, Lama, Rattus, CMX, Deep Turtle, Meteors, Cramps, Garbagemen, Valse Triste, Ebba Grön, Kollaa Kestää, Zemezluc, Kaaos, Riistetyt, Fugazi, Bad Religion, X-Ray Spex, Rancid, Bad Brains, Die Toten Hosen, Leatherface, 4-Skins and the million other good bands out there.

Trollstormur · « **Reply #35 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 01:24 »

get The Germs. good old 70s american punk.

Rizzo · « **Reply #36 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 01:48 »

I like talking about punk cause it's actually interesting unlike so much other music out there.
I highly recommend Tragedy, From Ashes Rise, Nausea, Asschapel and Doom. Most excellent Crust punk/crustcore.
I also really like AFI, Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, Amen, Scum and Refused.

jariku · « **Reply #37 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 02:24 »

JodyAnthony · « **Reply #38 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 12:41 »

ANGRY SAMOANS

besides that, I think Do The Freddy by The Adolescents is one of the best songs ever

Hunch your shoulders, bulge your eyes,
Jump around and don't ask why!

JodyAnthony · « **Reply #39 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 12:43 »

Quote from: ImRonBurgundy?

Quote from: Combinethresher
Peacocks

this band does the best version of "Ballroom Blitz" EVER recorded.

I must say that honor goes to Surf Punks

The Hammered · « **Reply #40 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 12:52 »

Does anyone here like no wave? I haven't come across any no wave stuff (unless you count early Sonic Youth), and I'll probably have to order it either over the Internet or through a local store, but I'm really interested in checking it out. I'm not sure how similar it is to more "regular" punk, but I've heard it was sort of an outgrowth of punk so I figured this was the best place to ask.

Ghostwriter · « **Reply #41 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 12:58 »

A.F.I, The Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange, Bad Religion, Fugazi, The Clash, The Bouncing Souls, Alkaline Trio, and Millencolin to name some.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #42 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 13:37 »

Quote from: The Hammered

Does anyone here like no wave? I haven't come across any no wave stuff (unless you count early Sonic Youth), and I'll probably have to order it either over the Internet or through a local store, but I'm really interested in checking it out. I'm not sure how similar it is to more "regular" punk, but I've heard it was sort of an outgrowth of punk so I figured this was the best place to ask.

No wave is a pretty disparate collective. Not likely that you'll go for everything in it...I personally worship early Swans, but I haven't liked any other no wave stuff I've heard, which is admittedly not much.

The Hammered · « **Reply #43 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 14:27 »

I like early Swans too, though I have to be in the right mood to listen to them. I might check out that Brian Eno compilation, No New York. It sounds like that's a good starting place.

Brian Majestic · « **Reply #44 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 15:30 »

Quote from: Borondir

I've been falling in love with psychobilly in the form of Tiger Army.

While I, like most psychobilly kids, loathe to call Tiger Army psycho, they're an okay band.

Quote from: Combinethresher

If psychobilly's your thing, look up Mad Sin, Godless Wicked Creeps, Lucky Devils, Mad Heads, Gorilla, Peacocks, and Season of Nightmares. It's all good stuff, and a lot of those bands are more musically sound than you'd expect.

Are you the same 'combinethresher' on PORK? I agree with the Mad heads, Gorillas and Peacocks (they're touring the US in a few weeks, but the dates arent on their myspace or website - if someone wants, I can post them). Mad Sin, too, are touring the states, beginning tomorrow, if I recall. Other psychobilly I'd recommend is the Meteors ("In heaven" and "wrecking crew" are the two most essential psychobilly records and each over 20 years old..) Batmobile is of course great, too, and the Quakes, Guana Batz, King Kurt, Lonesome Kings, Speed Crazy...a bunch more bands I could add, but I dont want to bore you...

KharBevNor · « **Reply #45 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 16:36 »

Why aren't Tiger Army Psychobilly then? Pray tell. I'd say they were more so than some Batmobile stuff, but I'm ignorant.

For Psychobilly and things which I call psycobilly but will be corrected on, I mainly like Tiget Army, The Meteors, The Ghastly Ones, Mad Sin, The Coffinshakers and Batmobile. I listen to a few more than that though. The one psychobilly band I've never really got into, though not through lack of trying, is The Nekromantix, though I admit they have some decent songs.

Combinethresher · « **Reply #46 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:29 »

Quote from: Brian Majestic

Are you the same 'combinethresher' on PORK?

Sure am. Sup PORK buddy?

Really, most people don't call Tiger Army psychobilly because they had the audacity to make money. There it is. I honestly can't think of another reason that other bands who toy with the genre are still considered psycho, but TA are somehow pariahs for adding melodic touches to their sound.

Nekromantix are a great live act and are worth going out of your way to see. Better than Tiger Army live, actually. Give them time to grow on you.

And honestly, I never really dug the Meteors all that much. They didn't age as well as the Sharks or Batmobile, in my opinion.

Brian Majestic · « **Reply #47 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:51 »

Well it starts in that a bunch of people see Tiger Army as a cross between psychobilly and emo...some of this is just the whiny sound of Nick 13's voice, but the rest is his lyrics, which just don't "feel" psycho, for want of better explaination - if you stick with the music for a while and scope out a bunch of bands, you'll see what I mean, but definitely one of those things you can't put into words too well. Some other stuff deals with the 'attitude' being different from pretty much every other psycho band.
Then, while it doesn't have to do with them not being psycho, most people in the scene just hate them for kickstarting an American psychobilly movement that resulted in countless crappy bands, but let's not get into that.

I do not like the Nekromantix much, although much of that comes from a hate-hate relationship between myself and Kim Nekroman, so I won't go further.

As for your list, Ghastly Ones are best pegged as being "horror surf"; try Gein and the Graverobbers, Satan's Pilgrims, the occasional song by Bomboras, Frankie Stein and the Ghouls, the Deadly Ones...honestly, while I like it, I only know a bit about the genre.

If you want, I can make a short list of good and/or essential psycho releases...thanks to Soulseek you can listen before shelling out twenty bucks an album to get 'em via mailorder and then ending up disappointed.

EDIT: Unfortunately, I can't completely disagree with what 'Thrashy says about the 'selling out' thing...psychobilly as a scene loves being a small ass scene that nobody even knows exists...in some ways I'm thinking it has to do with preventing the scene becoming the latest 'fad'.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #48 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:58 »

Heh, shit, I can't afford to BUY albums. I'm starting that lark again when I finish school and get a job, which is only admittedly in a few months.

Navetta · « **Reply #49 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 18:42 »

I am taken aback by the fact that only one person mentioned The Descendents. Crazy. I personally think that they are one of the greatest punk bands ever. But this may just be because I theyre very surf infuenced, and i love surf, but still, come on. Several people mentioned Black Flag, i personally cant stand them, mainly because of Rollins, and the fact that they are the reason the Descendents broke up. Im also amazed that not one person said anything about the Melvins. King Buzzo rocks, and now with one Jello Biafra touring with them, they are the new greatest quattro ever.

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Evan

jcknbl

Evan

El Opium

Ravenbomb

TrueNeutral

Panbombadil

Evilpopsicleguy

Whackman

grrraham

Combinethresher

Combinethresher

jariku

jariku

JodyAnthony

JodyAnthony

The Hammered

Ghostwriter

The Hammered

Combinethresher

Navetta