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[messeduplilkid]

So, now that the trailer offically killed Bungie.net's bandwith (maintainence, yeah right!). What does everyone that has seen it think? I've heard so many theories already, yet I'm still developing my own. So "little" given away by the trailer, and yet so many questions pop into my head.

MC's Mark armor looks older (the helmet specifically).

The rifle he's using looks like either a cross of a Battle Rifle and Assult Rifle. Lots of theories that it might be the MA2B from the books. (Bungie said their gonna be following the books alot more)

The things Cortana said " I have defied Gods and Demons. I am your shield. I am your swords. I know you; your past, your future. This is how the world ends."

I mean: reading the books, seeing the Cortana Letters and ilovebees, and playing the game you start trying to draw conclusions. Alot of people are trying to relate the things said in the trailer to books and mythology, and yet they dont try to link anything that has happened in the books or in the game itself.

The biggest aspect I think they miss is that Cortana being an AI is comming to the end of her life span.

The things she said in the trailer are very reminisent of the Cortana Letters, there is a significant link.

The things in the letters themselves, not all of them or any of the things she said took place. Which leads me to beleive those "Letters" are either: I) random babblings of everything thats happened on Halo, the Covenant AI absobtion, and the things that the Grave mind is/has done to her. Not to mention being a galaxy apart from Master Chief. II) the letters are things that is what to come in this game. The Letters are acutally things she wanted to comunicate to MC. Realizations, things she learned, and esspecially conclusions that only a brilliant AI like Cortana could figure out once she had enough information, information she could have gotten easily from the Grave Mind.

If you cant tell I'm excited like crazy for this game. I'm gonna end up replaying all the games, rereading all the books, and scavanging all the information I can.

I would really love to chat up on this subject, hopefully to other people that appreciate the series. If you dont, i'm not asking you to, but i dont think we need people comming into the thread and trying to badmouth bungie or the series.

Discuss!

[Ozymandias]

I love Halo's plot. It's one of the smartest, best sci-fi plots ever seen in a video game.

I'm glad they're finally deciding to include it in the games.

[Unosuke]

I had to change my undies after seeing it. Nuff said.

[messeduplilkid]

NOOOO, expand!!!! heeeelllppp me!

i'm actually kinda surprized there werent more people trying to join in. Actually disapointed is the better word.

[Luke C]

Quality trailer. If you have a PC which can handle it, get yourself the high-res trailer, its amazing.

[neomang5]

Not to be the downer here, but I wasnt that impressed. Sure the graphics are really nice, and it looks like there might be an actual ending this time, but other than that I got nothing from it. I dont really read the books, so all I got for the storyline is fragmented images of Cortana, and the fact that "This is how the world ends."

Seriously, after Halo 2, this is going to have to show MASSIVE potential to turn me back onto the franchise. Maybe I'll be impressed after seeing some in-game footage and features for the gameplay, but until then, it's just another big-name game I have little faith in.

[Storm Rider]

OK, I hate to be the wet blanket, but the game isn't going to look like that. That's a cinematic scene, and the actual gameplay won't look nearly that good.

Not to mention that the trailer tells you NOTHING about the game. Nada. We see Master Chief in high definition and some spaceships, and that's fucking it.

This was practically Microsoft's entire friggin' E3, and the game won't even be out for at least a year. I am supremely unimpressed.

Then again, I've always thought Halo was way overrated.

[est]

I'll wet the blanket even more by saying that I couldn't even get through the first Halo.  It felt like every other space-type game I'd ever played, except duller.  When Halo 2 came out I had absolutely no desire to check it out.  All this buzzing about Halo 3 is just totally zooming over my head.

[Ozymandias]

Here's the straight skinny on Halo:

As a console FPS, it's alright. It's not particularly special as a game, but its fun enough and multiplayer is pretty good. It's mediocre in the grand scheme of games, though(I can name at least 10 better FPSes off the top of my head), and vastly overhyped.

As a story, though, it's one of the more intelligent and interesting works of sci-fi in recent years. However, none of that is in the games, it's pretty much all in the books. It's like if someone made a Lord of the Rings video game, and all it was about was Aragorn wandering around before he meets Frodo. It's almost depressing, because there's so much potential for real awesome and so little of it shines through.

[Chesire Cat]

What console FPS has better Multiplayer than Halo 2.

Taking into account, how awesome Battlefield 2:Modern Combat is, they dont exactly compare too well, both very different kinds of games.  Is anything else comparable?

[Kai]

Timesplitters 2 had my favorite multiplayer on a console EVER.

[messeduplilkid]

Well I suppose its rebuttle time,and I stright out didnt wana turn this into a "fan boy arguement".  

Storm Rider: Actaully, the trailer did alot of things that you might not have noticed. Not to mention the Bungie FAQ comfirmed and gave alot of information on the trailer.

The trailer was done with the ingame engine. After the conference, they took press and had Master Chief running through the level. They explain that in the FAQ. (if you've seen Gears of War, its entirely possible to run that high a level of beauty in-game on the 360)

Also, the trailer tells you a great deal about the story. They are on Earth (confirmed), the Covenant are there for the Arc (again in my first post). Cortana is speaking crazy prophetic nonsense (again, theories from my first post).

Halo might not be your deal, but with a bit more information, the trailer makes a bit more sense.

Est: I'm really sorry it didnt tickle your fancy at all, its a shame because they improved and fixed alot of things that were wrong with Halo: Combat Evolved. If your ever bored and you got an Xbox, I hope you give it a chance.

Ozymandias: a bit relative on whats better or worse. I think the books and the game compliment each other very well. But again my opinion is just that, an opinion.


Anyway, I hope some other halo fans come into the thread and throw their theories up in here, I'm kinda lonely.

*edit* woot, people came and fought with me! yay!

+1/+1 and First Strike to Chesire Cat!

[Catfish_Man]

I'm pretty interested in Halo 3. Honestly I think most of the people that don't like Halo don't like it *as an FPS game*. I don't play FPSs, so its comparative merit to [game] doesn't matter to me much. I kinda like the story, and I liked just messing around in the game. Multiplayer never caught my attention as much. As such, my single request for Bungie:

NETWORK COOP MODE PLZ

It's like if someone made a Lord of the Rings video game, and all it was about was Aragorn wandering around before he meets Frodo. It's almost depressing, because there's so much potential for real awesome and so little of it shines through.

What are you talking about. That would rock. For example: sneaking into Minus Morgul, alone, as Aragorn.

+1/+1 and First Strike to Chesire Cat!

...
fine game and all, but ...

[est]

NETWORK COOP MODE PLZ

I could yell that about basically every game I've played, ever.  I absolutely love co-op mode games.

[Ozymandias]

What console FPS has better Multiplayer than Halo 2.

Taking into account, how awesome Battlefield 2:Modern Combat is, they dont exactly compare too well, both very different kinds of games.  Is anything else comparable?

Like Kai said, Timesplitters 2 was pretty sweet. Free Radical (when they were part of Rare) also made Goldeneye/Perfect Dark which also qualify as better, IMO.

I didn't get so specific as to say multiplayer console FPSes though. That's a pretty narrow field to explore to call Halo the best at something.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Not to come across as a fanboy, but I cannot think of an FPS that I like the gameplay more on.Yes, it is one of my favored genres, and I would also say I prefer it to many PC FPSes. No, it doesn't play well on PC, that's true, so maybe some of you have only played it on the PC.

I love the pace of the action. It is one of very few games that i can stand to replay.

Halo 2, though, was not all that good. It took everything that was good about the environments and action of halo 1, and changed just enough that it just wasn't all that fun anymore.

[JJMitchell]

I'll wet the blanket even more by saying that I couldn't even get through the first Halo.  It felt like every other space-type game I'd ever played, except duller.  When Halo 2 came out I had absolutely no desire to check it out.  All this buzzing about Halo 3 is just totally zooming over my head.

seconded.

FPS games have always left me feeling like I'm just mashing button since I suck at them.  Same with fighting games.

[Storm Rider]

Timesplitters 2 had my favorite multiplayer on a console EVER.

Oh man, I loved that game. How did it not get any recognition at all?

Like seriously, I don't even LIKE FPS's and I loved that game.

[crazybritishsteve]

I got on the halo band wagon WAY after the initial hype. I didn't think it would be much good, but after playing at a friends house i was hooked. Halo 2 the game was awful. It really pissed me off. I grew to love it, but first impressions really annoyed me. Now i've seen the halo 3 trailer. It just made me go "That's nice....... And?". I'm going to want more than that if they want me to shell out for a 360 and a copy of halo 3.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

You neeed the sound turned up for that trailer.

And it looks like it's returning to its roots. Notice the AR, and the fact the engine is focusing on large open areas?

[messeduplilkid]

Again, its not the AR. The weekly update on Bungie.net made the comment. But besides the point, things are changing, even MC's armor looks different (esspecialyl the helmet and gauntlets).

Also this arguement about what game is better then the next is pretty useless.

SilkyNumbNuts: I dont understand how Halo 2 is WORSE then the first. They balanced EVERYTHING and EVERYONE, they improved on just about every step to make it both competative and seamless. I sure as hell dont like getting killed by a shotgun from half a level away (seriously a freakin shotgun). I'm pretty sure a pistol should not be able to kill me across the map in 3 hits (seriously a pistol?!).  Sure, there are flaws like the super bouncing and weapons have been nerfed or boosted, but you gotta be able to grow with the game. If you dont think its fun because its more difficult, its not the game, its you.

 Its just like if your in a sport. I remember when the rules changed for Vollyball at our school. People could keep up, alot of things had to change. The game dosent suck any more or anyless because the rules changed, you  just cant keep up. (The "YOU" isnt directed at anyone.. because thats what i was told when i was playing)

I try to play Halo: Combat Evolved and its fun to remember the good ol' days of having a one handed charchter. But everything done to Halo 2 was  in attempt to improve gameplay.

Though, i wont go so far as to say one is better then the other. But certainly one isnt WORSE then the other.

So lets stop the arguing, and try to discuss whats going on with Halo 3.

[Jiperlee]

I dunno if it was mentioned or not, but fuck if I'm gunna read all that(hell, I ain't even gunna re-type it- this is all copied and pasted from posts on other forums)

The Gravemind, as far as I can tell, is like an Overmind like creature- it controls the flood with a master-intelligence.

But for Cortana, she's Rampant.

Rampancy occurs because of 3 things; either she's gotten too old(unknown), gotten alot of outside stimuli(obviously, Master Cheif offered her this), or she's accessed a huge system, in which she has freedom to grow her systems with questions(Like Halo, Pillar of Autumn, High Charity, Delta Halo, ect)

There are 3 known levels of Rampancy(according to Wikipedia)- Melancholia, or feeling like a slave, and theres nothing anyone can do to help it. Apparently, this stage can last for many years. Cortana was displaying those attributes. In Halo 2, she isn't as chatty, isn't really all there....

The second level is Anger. This can easily be seen in Halo 1(so the first level of Rampancy could have been happening even before we met her) when she fights with the Index- her anger is extremely clear.

The last is Jealously, which we may not have seen yet....

Equally, the new trailer shows Cortana degrading and breaking up- something the rampant AI's in Marathon did- and Halo 3 concept art has this;

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/707/707165/halo-3-20060510005847408.jpg" width="700">

According to Wikipedia, following the Rampant ideals of AI's in Marathon, they said;

Given that rampant AIs typically concoct plans which are surprisingly beneficial to those who think the plan will doom them, Cortana's conversation with the Gravemind may be a plot similar to this.

One huge sign of Cortana's Rampancy is this- she never blew up High Charity to stop the Halo from firing. You noticed that? She was supposed to save the Universe from complete Annilation, and she let them go ahead and do it. Why?

[Ozymandias]

O GOD MY SCREEN.

[messeduplilkid]

ARG! I completely forgot! Marathon, those bastards at Bungie totally inter-connecting games like that. Anyone beaten the Marathon series to relate to Halo 3? I'll see how much info I can dig up.

Glad to see my AI theories arent super idiotic, and even more glad to see people can articulate them much better.

Thanks Jiperlee for the info! keep it commin everyone.

[Jiperlee]

What? You want some more information?

Damn, you guys need better connections;

ALL THEORIES BUT IF THEY'RE TRUE, THEN INSANE SPOILERS BELOW. IF NOT, WE COOL[/size]





















































































































In Halo 3, the Covenent have Conquered Earth

Yea. Uh-huh. Conquered. Heres the proof;

"It was intended to be an understated announce of Halo 3 - the tone is that of mystery and suspense – the calm before the storm. I wanted to make sure that we re-introduced the Chief, show that Earth is thoroughly conquered, with Covenant everywhere, and that there is a glorious, ancient artifact buried under the Earth’s crust which will provide H3 with the epic journey which we all want."
~Marcus Lehto, Art Director, Bungie's News Page

Humans are the Forerunners[/u]

Its hinted that the Humans are Forerunners(Halo builders) by the Index. Theres alot of evidence to support this;

When confronted about the true function of Halo after retrieval of the Index, 343 Guilty Spark comments: "But you already know that… I mean… how couldn't you. (…) Last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed." When taken together with the knowledge that the Forerunner apparently destroyed themselves with Halo (see "History," above), it suggests that 343 Guilty Spark believes that Master Chief was present when the Halos were originally fired. This would explain why only humans can use the Index to activate Halo (e.g., Tartarus uses Miranda to activate Delta Halo at the end of Halo 2). Guilty Spark's comments may also hint at why the AI Cortana states in both Halo and Halo 2 that something seems "familiar" about the Forerunner computer systems.

Finally, during the Halo 1 level "The Maw" section "Light Fuse, Run Away", 343 Guilty Spark is seen in a cutscene extracting information from consoles in the engineering bay. As he madly hums, zapping boards with some unknown device, he comments to the Master Chief: "To have a record of all our lost time…." The use of the pronoun "our" may or may not be inclusive of the Master Chief, but it does suggest either that humans are heirs to the Forerunner or at least that Forerunner events are entwined with the affairs of humans, as it is presumably human data logs that Guilty Spark is extracting.

More Info

Also, theres a "Grunt Crossing" sign hidden in the trailer- possibly to imply time has passed, but more likely as a joke.....

[messeduplilkid]

I'm pretty sure in the news page it said it was an Easter Egg.

Lots of cool information, I remember that specific even in the books. I didnt read alot of the second one since i could play the game, and i was told it was rediculously similar, except that there were more perspectives of different charchters.

Alot of this definitly supports my/others  theories. I'm gonna check this wiki page. But Wiki isnt always the best source.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Right.

I was aware they have said it might not be the AR. he didn't say whether it was or not. My point was it looks like it, so my opinion would be it's a subtle nod to the fans. And the 13/14 mile draw distance? If we don't get things like assault on the contol room I shall be very pissed off.

And my comment about halo 2: my problem with it is that halo was unique; halo 2 feels identical to every single FPS out there, apart from the fact that bungie tell a very good story. It's a faster, less tactical game. And I'd say that it was far more balanced in halo (except for the needler) than it is in halo 2. The shotgun and the sniper, if anything, became more overpowered, and the explosions don't have as large a blast radius, which seems kind of counter-productive when they're supposed to be balanced against someone dual-weilding. The turn rate is much faster, so the smooth perfection of the aiming in halo 1 is completely lost. The warthog loses its power as an offensive weapon, and is less fun to drive. You can no longer effectively run people over. Halo 2 also had very constrictive levels compared to halo 1. You were heading through corridors, rather than large open countryside. Even the inside levels in halo had large amounts of open space to fight in, most of the time. At least, that was where most of the fighting was.

But my point was that halo 2 was nothing like halo. It was an average FPS, and had little to do with halo except the plot. This is why I was happy about the AR lookalike (possibly the MA2B from the books, rather than the MA5B from the game) and the fact that the engine is focusing on humungous draw distance thought it also looks quite pretty.

[Jiperlee]

....

I have no fucking clue what you just said. What the hell is AR?

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Assault Rifle, sorry.

I suppose that wasn't the most structured of posts; what needs clarification?

[Ozymandias]

I think I can now say that Halo geeks are the biggest ****ing nerds on the internet. You have passed Trekkies and Star Wars geeks to the point where you're making huge posts on the internet about what kind of GUN Master Chief has.

[Jiperlee]

Assault Rifle, sorry.

I suppose that wasn't the most structured of posts; what needs clarification?

Mostly the AR part.....I mean, without knowing what AR stands for, any mention of AR doesn't make any real sense.

But Halo 2 sucked for me because Bungie decided to fuck over anyone without Xbox Live.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Ozymandias: I'm sorry, I would think think that in a game where you spend the majority of your time shooting at other people, what you are shooting at them with would form a reasonably important part of the game and would therefore be worth noticing.

Jiperlee: that was part of my point; the singleplayer sucked.

[Jiperlee]

I still remember the first time me and my friend finished Co-op, in pretty much one sitting, what he said when the credits appeared.

"Thats it??!!"

I don't think we were asking for much- just an ending....

[messeduplilkid]

oh lord why did you say so already! If we were talking about the single player experience then I completly agree with you. Campaign mode was a joke. Jiperlee, that was exactly my sentiment when i finished it!

The main reason i wanted halo 2, was for XBL. I remember countless hours of playing Halo: Combat Evolved on a program called Xbox Connect. Multiplayer was my main focus, so Halo 2 defeinitly fullfilled me.

But i still think that in Halo the shot gun was far more powerful. People on XBL call it the lottery cannon, because you never knew if it'll take 10 shots to kill someone or just the one. In Halo you could fire a round, and it would clean kill you more then half the time. But thats just my experience, maybe i just suck with a shotgun.

Again completly sorry that I didnt realize we were not talking about the same things.

And yes, lots of theories that its the MA2B, I personally wouldnt be at all suprized.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Yeah, the XBL mode was better, though I still found halo's mutliplayer more fun when not on live.

The shotgun in halo 2: I always thought it was the same. It would always kill me in one shot, but if I had it I could never return the favour.

I'm not sure what difference havign the MA2B would really make. It's described in the book as a smaller version of the normal AR.

My guess, either it's the normal AR, because Frankie didn't directly respond to that question, or it's the MA2B, so it doesn't look as ridiculously oversized on marines as it did in halo.

[Luke C]

What console FPS has better Multiplayer than Halo 2.

Halo 1.

All in all Halo 1>Halo 2
The Halo 1 pistol is the best FPS weapon EVER.

[Kana]

I haven't read any of the Halo books nor am I totally fanboy on the series.  I was really disappointed with Halo 2 because for me Halo was never designed to be a multiplayer FPS game as the PRIMARY function.  Halo 1 had an awesome story and was tons of fun playing solo or co-op on legendary mode.  Halo 2 however was sort of a sell out to money by switching the game's main focus off of story mode and into X-box live fragilicious multiplayer.  And its been noted many times already that Halo is not a great multiplayer game, its nothing special in terms of a Multiplayer FPS so why bother?  The story got the real short end of the stick in the 2nd game and while it was alright, it was nowhere the grandeur of the first which makes it still to this day a fun game to replay just for story's sake.  Halo 3 is coming out now and all I can hope is that the focus will be finally shifted back to the story mode which made Halo 1 the big popular game it always was.  Maybe by reading too much into the trailer with the bit about finally getting an ending I feel that maybe the story mode will be again the primary concern of the game.  If that happens I'll gladly buy a xbox 360, but for now I'll stick with my Halo 1 and occassionally try and finish Halo 2 on solo legendary.  Maybe I'll pick up the books to help my story cravings, but I think that games based on books should really follow or be an extremely well-suited setting from within the book maybe not following precisely but definitely within that book's realm of lore.  Anyways, my .02c.

[messeduplilkid]

Well I'm glad that you think games based off of books should follow the books, to bad halo came out before the books. The books were just to give extra content to the game. Same thing with the Alternate Universe of ILoveBees.com.


As for my .02 on  Halo 2's multiplayer, I've never played anything more enjoyable in terms of FPS, and I've played many on both computer and on consoles. But again, my opinion is worth that of an opinion.

I'm just curious why everyone thinks the multiplayer is so terrible.

I'm starting to guess its because they got pwned on XBL into oblivion and have been to scared to give it a chance ever since. *le sigh*. Thats the problem of being better then everyone else at somthing, everyone thats bad at somthing blames it on the game. I hope they make an alternate Halo - Single player game and a Halo - Multiplayer, so you can stop bitchin' because you suxxor!!!!1 < /end Joke >

[Jiperlee]

ILoveBees.com is offical canon for Halo- it isn't in an Alteritive universe.

[Ozymandias]

Well I'm glad that you think games based off of books should follow the books, to bad halo came out before the books. The books were just to give extra content to the game. Same thing with the Alternate Universe of ILoveBees.com.

It's too bad the books ended up being about 90% of anything interesting about the story then.

[messeduplilkid]

Jiperlee: Sorry worded it wrong, its an Alternate Reality Game, as it is called.

[Catfish_Man]

buzz buzz


I remember when ILB took over a few IRC channels I was on... interesting stuff.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Why the hate for halo 1s multiplayer. It is the most played multiplayer game apart from SSBM when people come over. DOn't know why people think it's nothing special.

And if anyone wants to listen to the ILB .mp3s, they're here;

http://www.ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html

Some of the best voice acting I have ever heard, and a really compelling story.

[Chesire Cat]

Because Halo 1 was full of a bunch of broken weapons which became very apparent in multiplayer.  The Machine Gun was harder to kill with than just made charges with beatdowns.  The Pistol could snipe, SNIPE from across the map.  The Shotgun was just rediculously overpowered.  

And on a 4 player match.  I am stating right now, lan games are quite difficult to get started and I am not going to include them in my unfavourable review.   On a 4 player match, the rediculously over powered weapons are made even more apparent since if you have the Shotgun or Pistol, its safe to assume no one else does, and 3 people with inferior weapons arent enough to beat one person jacked to the nines.

But in Halo 2, you have Xbox live, which means you have 8-32 people playing where having the upper hand(Sword, Shotty, etc) doesnt mean so much since you will be everyones first targer and theres alot more people to shoot you with.  They did a TONNE of balancing that was missing from Halo 1, and makes the game more fun to play multiplayer in every way.

Now if your hungup on the single player aspects.  Lets face it.  Its not all that much fun on consecutive plays.  But at least Halo 2 has a chapter system going for it, so you can start at your favourite spots and not have to replay all the same shit over again just to get to the best parts.  But wait, the best parts of Halo 1 are at the begining, because towards the end, all the mind numbingly dull convenant ships are just the same old shit over and over again.



So, in summation, if you liked Halo 1 more, you are either one of those lame babies who need a broken weapon(Pistol, or Shotty).  Or just dont know how to properly play Halo 2 to reflect how much more badass it is.  Also if you dont have XBox Live!, you probably live in a 3rd world country where Xbox Live isnt availiable, not to mention DSL/Cable.  The only other explantion is, your wasting the Xbox's flavour.  And if your doing that, you dont really deserve to play it, Xbox Live! has done more to build the framework for console online play than anything, and by not supporting it, you are hurting the innovation it represents.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

fair enough, iof that's your opinion, but that was never my experience.

TO be fair, I think it's because I never really played against someone who was as good as me (I'm not boasting, I just played a lot, and they didn't. I'm not all that good really). SO things like that didn't become apparent.

But if everyone starts with a pistol, you have a much more even match.

I loved the times with halo 1's multiplayer, but generally I wasn't playing as well as I could have, most of the time I would take the piss with what I'd do.

The singleplayer of halo 1 is about the only game I can replay again and again and still love it. Halo 2 really didn't hold a candle to it in single player.

To each their own I suppose.

[messeduplilkid]

Yay, were getting along alot better now. ^_^

For anyone that plays Halo: Combat Evolved on the computer, do you think it would run on the new macbooks that came out? I think I'm gonna get one before college (woot!), and I know its not a gaming machine. I just really want SOME game that I enjoy to play on my hypothetical macbook. It'll probobly be maxed out in terms of specs.

[Catfish_Man]

...if you liked Halo 1 multiplayer on the xbox more...

T. FTFY.

[Chesire Cat]

But if everyone starts with a pistol...

...you could go ahead and get rid of all the other crappier weapons.

T. FTFY.

I assume that means you agree with me and think I should totally date your younger sister because I am such a standup guy.

[SilkyNumbNuts]

Hmm... Reading your posts again, you are kind of being an ass...

So, if I like halo's multiplayer more, despite having xbox live, and being able to hold my own on live, where does that leave your theory?

Ooh, and you know, having the player balance the weapons by removing a couple of them... that reall means all of the multiplayer is broken! Of course! I don't known why I didn't see that before.

And the weapons are unbalanced, yes, but only in the hands of those that know how to use them. If you have an inexperienced player that cannot get the three headshots, it takes about the same amount of time to kill with a pistol as it does with the rifle.

I don't know why I typed this post, because you will dismiss it anyway, but this is my opinion.

[Catfish_Man]

and think I should totally date your younger sister because I am such a standup guy.

correct.