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[xeyexlinerx]

I love them.

Ace

With no question.

My dad even likes them. =O

http://www.powerlinetours.com/bc/panicatthedisco-iwritesinsnottragedies.php?play=1

[Kai]

I find them to be ungodly terrible and pretty much coasting on their fairly long song titles and pseudo-intellectual/offball qualities.



Basically, shit.

[Thrillho]

They're ridiculously pretentious and they think they're better than they are, which is unforgiveable. And on their album advert they said 'the smash hit blah blah and the new single blah blah' and I didn't hear any difference, not even a tempo change.

Plus they use all synths and shit instead of proper strings - or at least they do it live - and it pisses me off. They're just a glorified emo band.

And their singer is NOT FIT. He has a flat, ugly nose, and a chubby face, and AAAARGH I HATE THIS BAND SO MUCH.

*cough*

I mean, yes.

[Melodic]

I find them to be ungodly terrible and pretty much coasting on their fairly long song titles and pseudo-intellectual/offball qualities.

They're ridiculously pretentious and they think they're better than they are, which is unforgiveable.

I feel they're talentless and shallow, like most other pop-punk bands. We don't need another "trendy" punk band that sounds exactly like Fall Out Boy (not surprising, as they worked together). We have enough mangled pop-punk people serving up more of the same brainless garbage without them creating clones in different colours.

EDIT: Spinless, the pop scene is even harder to understand than the indie scene. Where as here, we try to be as diverse as possible, pop is all about being exactly the same as the cool kids, and the cool kids are exactly the same as bands with big labels.

[xeyexlinerx]

Well, I like them.

I don't think the lead singer is 'fit' neither although I wouldn't call him ugly. But seeing as I'm gay I can't really comment lol.

Still, I like their music. I find it catchy. and dancable =D

[Melodic]

Well, I like them.

I don't think the lead singer is 'fit' neither although I wouldn't call him ugly. But seeing as I'm gay I can't really comment lol.

Still, I like their music. I find it catchy. and dancable =D

Again, my main complaint with them is that their music is shallow. Catchy, yes, but not inspiring. The same stuff that people crave: they're being controlled by the industry, and, like all pop acts today, are afraid to pave their own road because some people might not agree with it.

They'll continue to listen to what the scene wants, and then DO what the scene wants, and they will never sound original until they explore their artistic abilities.

Imagine, for example, if there was a sudden, tremendous rebirth of cubism: every artist that was "with it" would abandon creating personal, astounding artwork, and would instead make cubist pieces of art that looked exactly like all the other painters', but since cubism is popular, so is his artwork. It could be the worst painting ever painted, but it would still be popular because the style of art is "in".

Indie music is like indie painters: they are unafraid to take their own path and create music that, while not everyone will like it, they are doing what THEY want to do.

[Johnny C]

In the same way that bands like Mr. Big signalled an event horizon and logical terminus in the evolution of eighties hair metal into unabashed pop, Panic! At The Disco represents emo with all of its punch, vibrance and electricity (which emo at its best unarguably has) replaced by pop-song instrumentation and complete vapidity.

What I'm trying to say is, they confuse wordiness with intelligence, and they're barely a band, to boot. They represent a complete fallacy, and my music needs some substance, dammit.

[casull]

I enjoy their music.

I don't know their names, don't know what their album covers look like, don't know anything but their song titles. Their songs are rather short and suffer from made-for-radio-catchiness from what I've heard. I would be interested in hearing an album from then a few years from now when they aren't new and don't have to worry so much about selling records.

[xeyexlinerx]

Again, my main complaint with them is that their music is shallow. Catchy, yes, but not inspiring. The same stuff that people crave: they're being controlled by the industry, and, like all pop acts today, are afraid to pave their own road because some people might not agree with it.

They'll continue to listen to what the scene wants, and then DO what the scene wants, and they will never sound original until they explore their artistic abilities.

Imagine, for example, if there was a sudden, tremendous rebirth of cubism: every artist that was "with it" would abandon creating personal, astounding artwork, and would instead make cubist pieces of art that looked exactly like all the other painters', but since cubism is popular, so is his artwork. It could be the worst painting ever painted, but it would still be popular because the style of art is "in".

Indie music is like indie painters: they are unafraid to take their own path and create music that, while not everyone will like it, they are doing what THEY want to do

I agree with you on that perception. Though I would never let the music industry control me or place me into a label. My music taste varies  alot and I'm happy to give every type of music a chance.

[Kai]

So says every teenager on the planet.



And then they go and listen to their Bob Marley greatest hits album just to show how diverse their musical taste is, get through like, three songs of it/wait until the person they are talking to is gone, and then turn it off.


I am a cynical fuck.

[xeyexlinerx]

So says every teenager on the planet.



And then they go and listen to their Bob Marley greatest hits album just to show how diverse their musical taste is, get through like, three songs of it/wait until the person they are talking to is gone, and then turn it off.

Nah, really. I go hiphop dancing and I like SOME of the music they play.

I listen to DragonForce.

Maroon 5

Trivium

etc... It REALLY varies:P

oh, and I like dance music.

[Melodic]

So says every teenager on the planet.



And then they go and listen to their Bob Marley greatest hits album just to show how diverse their musical taste is, get through like, three songs of it/wait until the person they are talking to is gone, and then turn it off.

Nah, really. I go hiphop dancing and I like SOME of the music they play.

I listen to DragonForce.

Maroon 5

Trivium

etc... It REALLY varies:P

oh, and I like dance music.

She needs RL STAT!

Nothing against your current selection of music, but try experimenting with some indie music! If you take the time to listen to 'em, they're usually alot more deep, meaningful, and fantastic.

The ironic thing about this post is that iTunes shuffle pulled up a Hawthorne Heights song while I wrote this.

[Kai]

Or you could actually be cool and listen to  THE AVANT GARDE




Just because I goddamn said so.

[xeyexlinerx]

Lmao, as I said, I'm open to listen to anything. Give me some band names and I'll check 'em out.

[xeyexlinerx]

Or you could actually be cool and listen to  THE AVANT GARDE




Just because I goddamn said so.

Okay, I'll go check them out.

[xeyexlinerx]

Or you could actually be cool and listen to  THE AVANT GARDE




Just because I goddamn said so

right, can't find anything, will you link me please?

[Kai]

weeeeee





Yeah. Avant garde is kind of a genre.


John Zorn/Naked City (Torture Garden is nice), Frank Zappa's composing sort of works (Uncle Meat), Captain Beefheart, The Residents are generally the tip of the iceberg.

[mediocrity_wire]

Boo

[xeyexlinerx]

I'm listening to something called Kayo Dot...

[Kai]

I haven't listened to Kayo Dot. I do listen to their predecessor, maudlin of the Well though.


maudlin of the Well are ace.

[xeyexlinerx]

Yeah that was orginally what I was trying to find. But I couldn't find any audio of them.

[Cerulaetas]

Nothing against your current selection of music, but try experimenting with some indie music! If you take the time to listen to 'em, they're usually alot more deep, meaningful, and fantastic.

Where's Khar when you really need him?

Here's some bands I would recommend: Therion, Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, Finntroll, To-Mera, Widow, Samael, and The Kovenant.  Should be a pretty good mix of things.

[Misereatur]

xeyexlinerx, take off all that makeup and go listen to Naked City and Ruins. Return only after youre head had exploded out of sheer awsomeness.

[jcknbl]

http://forums.questionablecontent.net/viewtopic.php?t=10680

That will help as well.


Panic! At The Disco does not deserve the exclamation point in the middle of their name. More like  Panic, At The Disco?

[Thoku]

They are very FallOutBoy-ey, but I do like some of their songs and I "own" the album so they all bad.

[Reno]

And their singer is NOT FIT. He has a flat, ugly nose, and a chubby face, and AAAARGH I HATE THIS BAND SO MUCH.

Since when has how a singer looks have anything to do with talent?

I dont mind Panic! too much....while completly vapid and annoyingly repetitive in their lyrics and music respectivly, I think that if you took the singer away and put him with some people who arent talentless bozos, you would have a great sounding band.

SInger sounds good, band sounds bad, not a good combo.  

My opinion.

[Rizzo]

She needs RL STAT!

Nothing against your current selection of music, but try experimenting with some indie music! If you take the time to listen to 'em, they're usually alot more deep, meaningful, and fantastic.

The ironic thing about this post is that iTunes shuffle pulled up a Hawthorne Heights song while I wrote this.

Dude, you can't tell her that you have nothing against her current taste but then say actually your taste is better for *these* reasons.
The ironic thing about your post was the complete hypocrisy.
And remember not all of us like indie and do not think it's the be all and end all of music.

My suggestions for music that you might like given your taste for mallcore:
Converge, Blood Brothers, older AFI, Shai Hulud, ZAO, 3 Inches Of Blood,  Nine and The Bronx.
They range from chaotic post hardcore to punk hardcore to metalcore.
You might just like.

[xeyexlinerx]

Here's some bands I would recommend: Therion, Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, Finntroll, To-Mera, Widow, Samael, and The Kovenant.  Should be a pretty good mix of things.

I listen to Nightwish, I effing love them.

[xeyexlinerx]

xeyexlinerx, take off all that makeup

?

[Johnny C]

I think judging from her current tastes someone needs to get her an Epitaph Records sampler and the G7 Welcoming Committee compilation CD. Get some legit and semi-legit punk into her system.

[xeyexlinerx]

Dude, you can't tell her that you have nothing against her current taste but then say actually your taste is better for *these* reasons.
The ironic thing about your post was the complete hypocrisy.
And remember not all of us like indie and do not think it's the be all and end all of music.

Thank you

[Johnny C]

Dude, you can't tell her that you have nothing against her current taste but then say actually your taste is better for *these* reasons.
The ironic thing about your post was the complete hypocrisy.
And remember not all of us like indie and do not think it's the be all and end all of music.

Look, I quite like me some punk rock. Unfortunately I have to agree that it typically means shit, and when it does mean something, it is usually trying way too hard to be hyper-educated (see: condescendingly political NoFX songs, Thrice and Thursday's music, Sum 41's embarrassing efforts at social consciousness). I like all of the bands in those parentheses, but their lyrics make me hurt as a writer and as a fan of language.

Indie rockers, on average, work better with words. Unfortunate truth.

EDIT: And, so they're not left out, metal lyricists tend to be fantastic storytellers - or when they use hyper-intelligent lingo, it sounds fucking menacing, like it's supposed to.

[timehat]

I haven't listened to Kayo Dot. I do listen to their predecessor, maudlin of the Well though.


maudlin of the Well are ace.

Give Kayo Dot a listen, for sure! They're less eclectic than Maudlin, but more focused, I'd say. A lot of people really resent the change from Maudlin to Kayo Dot, and I'm not really sure why. I find both incarnations to be very worthwhile. Also, are you familiar with Henry Cow, Fred Frith's 70's prog (RIO) band? I mean, since you listen to Zorn and all, thought you might know about them or be interested.

[jcknbl]

I dont mind Panic! too much....while completly vapid and annoyingly repetitive in their lyrics and music respectivly, I think that if you took the singer away and put him with some people who arent talentless bozos, you would have a great sounding band.

SInger sounds good, band sounds bad, not a good combo.  

My opinion.

This is about right I think- the vocals are tolerable (thought the lyrics, not so much). In all earnesty I'm sort of confused about how people like this band. At least Fall Out boy is catchy- same with with most mall-punk types. I don't even hear music when I listen to the band- theres nothing interesting about it, I'm neither caught nor repulsed.

I guess I'm just shocked by how diverse music taste can be. We have a ton of disagreements here but we're still only a very small segment of the music listening population of the world. I wonder what Adorno would say.

[Rizzo]

I agree with you, Johnny C, but I didn't suggest punk, I suggested *attachlabelhere*core bands. Have a read of some of their lyrics, they're just as complex and well structured as any indie I can think of.
In fact I'd go so far as to say all the bands I suggested have awesome lyrics.
Especially 3 Inches of Blood

Edited so that it made sense without a quote.

[Luke C]

I feel violated when I hear Panic! At the Disco. Same goes for the Artic Monkeys.

[timehat]

I had never heard them before now, but I must say, that was quite bland. I love the pop music idea of only doing anything remotely interesting during the bridge. That bridge had potential get pretty trippy, but of course, everything was far too restrained to be exciting.

[Kai]

I haven't listened to Kayo Dot. I do listen to their predecessor, maudlin of the Well though.


maudlin of the Well are ace.

Give Kayo Dot a listen, for sure! They're less eclectic than Maudlin, but more focused, I'd say. A lot of people really resent the change from Maudlin to Kayo Dot, and I'm not really sure why. I find both incarnations to be very worthwhile. Also, are you familiar with Henry Cow, Fred Frith's 70's prog (RIO) band? I mean, since you listen to Zorn and all, thought you might know about them or be interested.

Yeah, I've heard alot of backlash about the switch, and I'm just considering the two completely different bands with different ideas/motives, I guess. Like when ...And Oceans made their name change.

And I love Henry Cow.

Speaking of 70's prog, more people need to listen to Atomic Rooster. They're delightfully awesome and totally never mentioned when it comes to prog.

[Hat]

When I was in high-school, I would pretend to have not heard of any of the really popular bands.

I am glad that I don't have to pretend anymore. A Jamster Ringtones ad came on, and the only name I recognized was LL Cool J. I am not sure what this says about me.

In short, I have not heard of this band outside of this forum, and for some reason, the first thought that I have when I think of them is about Kool and the Gang.

[est]

I feel violated when I hear Panic! At the Disco. Same goes for the Artic Monkeys.

Oh god, Arctic Motherfucking Monkeys.  They are getting really hyped over here at the moment, and I just want to murder them so hard their grandparents die from sympathy pains.  Jesus Christ.

I mean, there is absolutely nothing wrong with their music other than it being entirely bland and close to exactly the same in my ears as a bunch of recent "it" bands that have come before.  What sets them apart for me is that the goddamn hype machine has revved up and is making these awfully favourable jangling sounds with their name attached.  As a result whenever I hear Arctic Monkeys on the radio they are in my brainmeats naturally associated with the hard-sell they are getting, and I get all pavlovian-like, o my brothers, and start hankering for some lashings of the old ultra-violence.

edit: oh man, ok.  Now that I've watched the videoclip I realise that I've heard this song before someplace.  Don't know where, but whatever.  Now then, how much processing does the guy want on his fucking voice?  His voice sounds almost exactly the same as a bunch of dudes in these kinds of bands at the moment, which is probably the point, innit?  The whole is very generic and would get pretty boring at best, obnoxious at worst after a few listens.

also:

GUYS, I'VE GOT THIS GREAT IDEA FOR A FILMCLIP.  THE BAND IS PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND RITE, AND LIKE, I'M RUNNING AROUND IN AMONGST THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES BEING BORING AND SUCH, AND LIKE, THEY CAN'T EVEN SEE ME THEY'RE SO DULL.  SO ANYWAY, WE'RE DRESSED UP LIKE GYPSIES/CARNIVAL PEOPLE/BURLESQUE PERFORMERS/CIRCUS MIDGETS BECAUSE WE'RE SO MUCH MORE EXCITING THAN NORMAL PEOPLE, RITE?  AND LIKE, HALFWAY THROUGH THE CLIP WE DO SOMETHING TO THE BORING PEOPLE AND SUDDENLY THEY BECOME INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY ARE ROCKING OUT TO OUR MUSIC.  PRETTY COOL HUH. NO-ONE ELSE HAS THOUGHT OF THIS IDEA, YOU GUYS.  LIKE, EVER.

[Garcin]

Well see, the point of this video is fit every obnoxious emo band trope ever, hence, having the circus performers/band control, mock, but try to help the attendants who are, but for their intervention, asleep.  See, the angsty emo teen is the band, and the wedding guests and couple to married are the teen's parents, teachers, classmates, and society at large, making the teen get a regular haircut instead of a slanty one, worry about grades instead of indulging their unbridled creativity, and making them work instead of furnishing an allowance.

When the strong man/symbol condoning the emo teen's sexuality and/or sexual curiosity blew golden sparkles on the crowd, I threw up a bit in my throat.  Ditto when the lead singer clutched his furry hat in a gesture so ill-conceived it could only impress a sub-urbanite 14-year old.  But the real reason I loathe, LOATHE, LOATHE this video is that it is lyrically, melodically, and instrumentally dead.  It's one generic lyrically phrase (I'd chime in, "Haven't you people ever heard of closing a goddamn door?!"/No, it's much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poise and rationality.) that lacks a vestige of lyricism supported by one musical phrase that lacks a vestige of musicality.

See, most important of all is to gratify the emo teen on a musical level and that means no challenges.  So we have a chorus that makes up perhaps 90% of the song and that is virtually spoken into the mic, we have a riff played ad naseum virtually without change or development, all saying to the emo teen: "We like you as you are, and you are, on a musical level, retarded.  You can't handle complexity, so we won't give it to you.  Please buy our cds!"

[E. Spaceman]

Oh god, Arctic Motherfucking Monkeys.  They are getting really hyped over here at the moment, and I just want to murder them so hard their grandparents die from sympathy pains.  Jesus Christ.

I seriously don't get the Arctic Monkeys. They are like a boring Art Brut with less humour and a singewr that sounds retarded.

  SO ANYWAY, WE'RE DRESSED UP LIKE GYPSIES

GYPSYxCORE

[Johnny C]

Rizzo: You make interesting points. I do not agree neccessarily but you make interesting points. Aside from that, Converge is pretty cool and Blood Brothers are great.

Est/Moiche: I think the two best parts of the video (and by "best" I mean "most hilariously cred-destroying") are a) shortly after the sparkles blowing happens and the guy in the hat intones "YESSSSSSSS" with an expression on his face similar to watching someone he hates die and b) after the bride walks out and ringmaster guy turns to the groom. You know the part. It's the part where you laugh like a maniac.

EDIT: I don't get the Arctic Monkeys either. Art Brut, Top Of The Pops!

[Narr]

I went to junior high with the lead singer of the band, so my views are probably skewed a little on the band.  I don't mind them too much.

[Oli]

Panic! Kinda annoy me because it seems that someone has taken everything that is popular in music right now and went SMUSH and created Panic!

Urgh.

Also the Artic monkeys are *ests post*

Also...uh...listen to anal cunt.

[FeralCats]

Well, lot's of Avant-Garde stuff sounds the same too.

In Avant-garde, there's people who do new things, there are five or six followers (hopefully) who follow the same thing and take it maybe a step further, and then there are loads who recycle old Avant-Garde to seem avant-garde in the first place.

Avant-Garde does not neccessarily mean good.

Panic At The Disco has never meant good.

[Misereatur]

Did you just compare Panic! At The Disco to Avant Garde music?

[Cerulaetas]

I listen to Nightwish, I effing love them.

If you like Nightwish you will probably also like Lunatica, newer Miseria, and possibly Beholder, Beyon-D-Lusion, newer Nightmare, Celesty, Epica, and Heavenly.

Also, for something heavier than those mentioned above, you could check out Chaoswave.  If you do check out Chaoswave, and you like them, I would highly recommend Nevermore's newest CD, "This Godless Endeavour," because of the very similar sounds of the two.

Also, at least some of the bands should be available for listening to on Myspace, which will probably be the easiest way of sampling them.

[amok]

P!ATD are a band who could be good if they weren't shit.

[est]

Avant-Garde does not neccessarily mean good.

Panic At The Disco has never meant good.

My point is that there is absolutely nothing in that filmclip that I haven't seen or heard about a billion times at least five years past.  ie: I don't think that there is anything avant-garde about it.  Maybe this is what getting older feels like.  Everything new has been done before slightly differently, and you are old and jaded and bitter because you believe that it was done a lot better the first time.

I mean, I don't really believe that though because I can still hear a lot of decent music coming out at the moment.  And also because whatever Panic! reminds me of was also shit back when I first heard it.