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[Ribbon Fat]

The most beautiful, emotionally complex and spritiually profund works of art to ever come out of popular music. Discuss.

[Thrillho]

...okay.

[Ribbon Fat]

...okay.

This isn't a joke post. I'm not trolling here. Not in this thread. I mean it.

Don't fall for the fake emotions propagated by flavor-of-the-week Indie bands. These two albums are real testaments to the human spirit. Was there ever a more profound and sincere plea for love than in "Wealth"?

[brew]

The second is much better than the first.  But it is indeed great.

I'm not sure I would quite call it my favorite, or the "pinnacle of popular music", but then again, I like fake emotions from the likes of Tarantino.

[brew]

Eh?

[Kai]

I happen to like fake emotions too.



Also, I'm pretty sure that Fugazi took the cake for "pinnacle of popular music" with 13 Songs. Or In on the Kill Taker. Or Red Medicine. Or Repeater. or fucking any of them. SRSLY

[Ribbon Fat]

The second is much better than the first.  But it is indeed great.

I'm not sure I would quite call it my favorite, or the "pinnacle of popular music", but then again, I like fake emotions from the likes of Tarantino.

Let's forget about that thread--unless you like dinosaurs. Listen: I enjoy Tarantinos films, but I am opposed to pretty much every view he has on filmmaking. I would never make a postmodern pastiche of everything I was nostalgiac about from my childhood. He thinks his tricks--and he does them well--are what cinema is all about. I dont. But he is fun. I'll give him that. It's just all so empty.

Let's talk about Talk Talk instead.

[brew]

The production and arrangements on these albums are some of my favorite in pop music.  I don't know much about their histories, but I suspect that Tim Friese-Greene had a lot more to do with what made these albums great than Mark Hollis.

What do you think of Hollis' solo album?  I've heard a few tracks a while ago, and it seemed mediocre from what I remember, but I'm looking at reviews now which seem to be consistently good.

[Ribbon Fat]

The production and arrangements on these albums are some of my favorite in pop music.  I don't know much about their histories, but I suspect that Tim Friese-Greene had a lot more to do with what made these albums great than Mark Hollis.

What do you think of Hollis' solo album?  I've heard a few tracks a while ago, and it seemed mediocre from what I remember, but I'm looking at reviews now which seem to be consistently good.

It's not mediocre at all, just more subdued and intimate. No electric instuments at all. All the songs were recorded live in the studio.

From what I've read in interviews, the approach they took on the last two Talk Talk albums was mostly based on Hollis's ideas. I just think Hollis and Friese-Greene made a great duo.

[Johnny C]

This thread is based on a flawed premise. I mean, come on, guys.





Duh.

[Ribbon Fat]

i like talk talk's music just fine until that guy starts singing.

i will never voluntarily listen to that guy's voice.
for reference he sounds a bit like the last thing you shot.

Hollis has one of the most beautiful, heavenly voices ever. If you can't stand it, then you need to develop some sensitivity--to life, to art, and to music.

Nice non sequiter on that last sentence though, made more nonsensical by the inexplicable italics.

[Kwi]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

[Ribbon Fat]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

No, of course you're not going to convince me otherwise--these albums have stirred me like no other.

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard. I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

I'll accept Smile, although I've never cared for it.

And if you're one of those people who are into those "darker" emotions, one release this year genuinely captures real darkness--not fake,  NIN-Spawn-comic darkness. I'll let you guys figure out wich one it is, since your're all hip to music and stuff.

[Storm Rider]

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard.

[Ribbon Fat]

If you can't stand it, then you need to develop some sensitivity--to life, to art, and to music.

can anyone else find me a more presumptuous quote on this forum?
i can think of a few of mine that have been close to this zinger.

just to clarify, since i think this is a pretty serious allegation -
i have no sensitivity because i think the dude from talk talk has a fruity voice?
can i keep this elaborate concept you've woven sir? i think i see something in the line of commemorative mugs and t-shirts.

You don't need t-shirts or mugs; you already wear your homophobia on your sleeve.

[Ribbon Fat]

oh i hope you are a real person and not a joke account sir.
you have again treated us to another all time classic in the shape of this combination of words -

I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

also, for the line of t-shirts - "fugazi: for your reptilian brain stems".

Real person or joke account? I'll leave that for your newfound sensitivity to decide.

You're all right man. Awesome t-shirt slogan.

[Ribbon Fat]

you already wear your homophobia on your sleeve.

why do you assume i'm not a homosexual myself?

was your objection the word 'fruity'? i'll be honest and say i don't know what that word means to you and i used it because it conjours pleasant alliterative images to me. i suspect it has different connotations in america or wherever you lay your hat.

So while talking shit about his heavenly voice you use a word that conjures up pleasantly alliterative (you misused this word) images? Never mind.

OK, listen, the thing about a lot of great art is that it takes patience and understanding. Ever heard "After the Goldrush" by Neil Young? First time I heard that song, I couldn't stand his high, possibly even fruity, voice. But after hearing the song a few more times, especially once in a store, when it clicked, his voice no longer bothered me at all. And it's a beautiful song. If Talk Talk's music really does appeal to you at all, maybe you need to give it the chance I gave Neil Young.

[Praeserpium Machinarum]

A question to Ribbon Fat: Why didn't you include The Colour of Spring in that little canon of yours?

[Ribbon Fat]

A question to Ribbon Fat: Why didn't you include The Colour of Spring in that little canon of yours?

Because it's not quite as great as the other too I don't think. It's getting there.

I just don't think it's peerless like the other two are.

[Ribbon Fat]

don't get me wrong man, i love neil young.
i admire talk talk's music and if it was instrumental i'd listen to it a lot more.

OK, listen, the thing about a lot of great art is that it takes patience and understanding.

i used to tell people this every day until i got sick of the sound of my own voice.
this message board isn't the place for serious discussions so i resort to flippancy for the benefit of those who don't want to wade through my rhetoric.

I resort to the oppposite.

[KharBevNor]

I've always been a little tremulous about the use of the term popular music to describe stuff that isn't popular, besides which,

[timehat]

Both Brian Wilson and Bon Jovi have specifically requested that I punch them in the dick through their music.

[Thrillho]

This thread is based on a flawed premise. I mean, come on, guys.





Duh.

Pet Sounds > Smile. Maybe if Smile had been made in the Sixties, it'd have topped Pet Sounds. But not now.

[Kai]

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard.

My god. I probably just woke up my parents laughing.

[onewheelwizzard]

i like talk talk's music just fine until that guy starts singing.

i will never voluntarily listen to that guy's voice.
for reference he sounds a bit like the last thing you shot.

Hollis has one of the most beautiful, heavenly voices ever. If you can't stand it, then you need to develop some sensitivity--to life, to art, and to music.

Nice non sequiter on that last sentence though, made more nonsensical by the inexplicable italics.

That was funny!  Tell another one.

No, but seriously, what exactly is a "heavenly" voice?  Don't just give examples, explain.  What qualities must a voice have to be considered "heavenly?"  Does it have to fall within a certain range?  Does it have to be male or female or can either gender create "heavenly" vocals?  What is it exactly about this Hollis dude that makes his voice as good as you say it is?

If you try to say something along the lines of "well, it just is and you don't understand it yet," or "I know it when I hear it and you should too," or pretty much anything that isn't "well, it is because I think it is and that's about it," all you've done is exposed yourself as someone who can't understand that different people think about things differently and someone who hears a voice you consider "heavenly" has every right to think of it as ... anything.  And they'll be exactly as correct as you are.

[Kwi]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

No, of course you're not going to convince me otherwise--these albums have stirred me like no other.

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard. I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

I'll accept Smile, although I've never cared for it.

And if you're one of those people who are into those "darker" emotions, one release this year genuinely captures real darkness--not fake,  NIN-Spawn-comic darkness. I'll let you guys figure out wich one it is, since your're all hip to music and stuff.

Are you dismissing every emotion that you don't feel when lstening to your Talk Talk as fake?  

Heh, lemme guess, you believe the two deepest emotions are "Love" and "Fear."  Get over yourself.  Each emotion is real, every feeling, every thought.  Just because you're so high up on your pedistal you're getting light headed from the lack of oxygen doesn't mean you get to decide whether or not what we feel is real.

By the way, as far as influencing emotion, I'll stick to my Iron and Wine.  Sam's voice is alot easier to listen to anywase.

[Ribbon Fat]

again, check the avatar, sir.

the best way to avoid these 'crazy' joke accounts is not to argue with them.

The avatar is the cover of Horsedrawn Wishes by Rollerskate Skinny, one of the lost, great shoegaze/noise pop albums of the 90s. How does that signify me being a joke account?

[KharBevNor]

Heh, lemme guess, you believe the two deepest emotions are "Love" and "Fear."  

Love and Hate. They're more states of being, however. Maybe species of relationship. It's not so much that all emotions aren't real, but more that all emotions are shades or refractions of these two or their effect.

I dunno about that dark album. I hear plenty that encapsulates what good old Kurtz called 'The Horror'.

[Ribbon Fat]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

No, of course you're not going to convince me otherwise--these albums have stirred me like no other.

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard. I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

I'll accept Smile, although I've never cared for it.

And if you're one of those people who are into those "darker" emotions, one release this year genuinely captures real darkness--not fake,  NIN-Spawn-comic darkness. I'll let you guys figure out wich one it is, since your're all hip to music and stuff.

Are you dismissing every emotion that you don't feel when lstening to your Talk Talk as fake?  

Heh, lemme guess, you believe the two deepest emotions are "Love" and "Fear."  Get over yourself.  Each emotion is real, every feeling, every thought.  Just because you're so high up on your pedistal you're getting light headed from the lack of oxygen doesn't mean you get to decide whether or not what we feel is real.

By the way, as far as influencing emotion, I'll stick to my Iron and Wine.  Sam's voice is alot easier to listen to anywase.

Fear is a pretty shallow emotion. Love can be the deepest of all emotions, but it's been co-opted and packaged by bad pop music and hollywood movies so oftenthat we are unable to identify the real thing when it shows up. The emotions found in the music of Jessia Simpson or the movies of Michael Bay aren't real. I'm sure you know this. They're meant to appeal to the shallowest parts of us, and when something comes along that is genuine and deep, we have trouble registering it.

[Johnny C]

the dude from talk talk has a fruity voice?

Tommy's actually wrong guys. This isn't his opinion. It's stone cold FACT.

EDIT: This is partially so Tommy doesn't think I'm making fun of him. I made that statement with total seriousness. There's no irony in it at all. The guy's voice is fruitier than the ladies' night drink special at a Carribean bar called "The Ripe Mango Bar & Grill." Thread should have been closed after that statement was made.

[Ribbon Fat]

Johnny C, button pusher extraordinaire.

[Johnny C]

WEEEEE

I didn't say that I don't like his voice. It's just very fruity. And I don't have any problems with Talk Talk. I think they are a competent band playing above-the-bar pop music.

EDIT: Now, The Dead Kennedys. Music AND voice I dislike. Stupid Jello Biafra.

[KharBevNor]

Actually, damn Current 93, Sol Invictus is definitely the most emotionally resonant band of all time. If we're talking of emotional dualities, compare: 'Our Lady of the Wild Flowers' and 'Come, Join the Dance', 'The North Ship' and 'Michael' and 'Ave Maria' and 'December Song'. Shitting brilliant. Unlike many other bands I enjoy greatly, their lyrics are also more profound than poetic (though still pretty damn obscure sometimes). They just aren't afraid to tell it how it is. December Song is probably the most depressing thing ever, apart from 'Here Am I' (The sheer resignation of it. 'Life's not fair. Life's not fair.' It's not adolescent complaint, it's a man speaking truths.)

"This is the longest road to nowhere
Although it's shorter than you think
When the shutters comes down
When the chain breaks its link

Can love triumph
Will hate fall
Can good win?
Probably not at all

The tide will go out and not return
The flame will die and never again burn
I will fall asleep and never awake
The next page of the diary won't have a date

Can love triumph
Will hate fall
Can good win?
Probably not at all

With vile defeats
I limp towards December
Full of vile deceits
But destined not to be remembered"

[Johnny C]

I limp towards December

Out of the whole thing, that is my favourite line. I don't know why.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

okay, fine, then.



JEEZ.

[Johnny C]

The Aquabats appeal to emotions so high, they don't have names yet.

[onewheelwizzard]

Ribbon Fat, you haven't responded to my question yet.  Why are Talk Talk's vocals so good?

[Inlander]

So basically this is going to turn into another one of those threads where everyone tells everyone else what their favourite band is, ad nauseum?

Right.

[KharBevNor]

I thought that was the whole point of this forum.

Have I made a boo-boo?

[Luke C]

REM, QFT.

Automatic for the People is an awesome album.

[Valrus]

i think this is one of the most beautiful albums ever recorded.
the songs are excellent (except 'everybody hurts' - don't let your drummer write songs kids), it was extremely popular, humourous and yet utterly morbid beyond belief.

QFT again.

[E. Spaceman]

i think this is one of the most beautiful albums ever recorded.
the songs are excellent (except 'everybody hurts' - don't let your drummer write songs kids), it was extremely popular, humourous and yet utterly morbid beyond belief.

New Adventures in Hi-Fi is my favourite REM album, but I have to agree this is the best

[Cecto Ooler]

[rive gauche]

Hey guys, Radiohead sucks, amirite?

Oh, see what I did there?

[Thrillho]

[E. Spaceman]

NO!

[Kai]

Abbey Road really is the best album they did. SRSLY

[Kwi]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

No, of course you're not going to convince me otherwise--these albums have stirred me like no other.

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard. I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

I'll accept Smile, although I've never cared for it.

And if you're one of those people who are into those "darker" emotions, one release this year genuinely captures real darkness--not fake,  NIN-Spawn-comic darkness. I'll let you guys figure out wich one it is, since your're all hip to music and stuff.

Are you dismissing every emotion that you don't feel when lstening to your Talk Talk as fake?  

Heh, lemme guess, you believe the two deepest emotions are "Love" and "Fear."  Get over yourself.  Each emotion is real, every feeling, every thought.  Just because you're so high up on your pedistal you're getting light headed from the lack of oxygen doesn't mean you get to decide whether or not what we feel is real.

By the way, as far as influencing emotion, I'll stick to my Iron and Wine.  Sam's voice is alot easier to listen to anywase.

Fear is a pretty shallow emotion. Love can be the deepest of all emotions, but it's been co-opted and packaged by bad pop music and hollywood movies so oftenthat we are unable to identify the real thing when it shows up. The emotions found in the music of Jessia Simpson or the movies of Michael Bay aren't real. I'm sure you know this. They're meant to appeal to the shallowest parts of us, and when something comes along that is genuine and deep, we have trouble registering it.

Huh, it seems my little reference to Donnie Darko flew over most peoples heads...  

And quit attempting to tell me that I haven't broken the fourth wall of emotions.  It makes me want to puke, get off your emotional high horse and realize that every huma is built with the same capacity to feel.

[Ribbon Fat]

*runs in*

Guys guys!  I just found out something!

Bias will never allow us to convince him differently, or vice versa!  This thread is like talking to a wall!

Just in case you didn't know, I mean it's news to me.

No, of course you're not going to convince me otherwise--these albums have stirred me like no other.

Give me your own choices for the most profound album(s) you've heard. I'm not going to accept Black Dice or Fugazi--Those albums are full of emotions, but trivial ones. Emotions that appeal to our reptilian brain stems.

I'll accept Smile, although I've never cared for it.

And if you're one of those people who are into those "darker" emotions, one release this year genuinely captures real darkness--not fake,  NIN-Spawn-comic darkness. I'll let you guys figure out wich one it is, since your're all hip to music and stuff.

Are you dismissing every emotion that you don't feel when lstening to your Talk Talk as fake?  

Heh, lemme guess, you believe the two deepest emotions are "Love" and "Fear."  Get over yourself.  Each emotion is real, every feeling, every thought.  Just because you're so high up on your pedistal you're getting light headed from the lack of oxygen doesn't mean you get to decide whether or not what we feel is real.

By the way, as far as influencing emotion, I'll stick to my Iron and Wine.  Sam's voice is alot easier to listen to anywase.

Fear is a pretty shallow emotion. Love can be the deepest of all emotions, but it's been co-opted and packaged by bad pop music and hollywood movies so oftenthat we are unable to identify the real thing when it shows up. The emotions found in the music of Jessia Simpson or the movies of Michael Bay aren't real. I'm sure you know this. They're meant to appeal to the shallowest parts of us, and when something comes along that is genuine and deep, we have trouble registering it.

Huh, it seems my little reference to Donnie Darko flew over most peoples heads...  

And quit attempting to tell me that I haven't broken the fourth wall of emotions.  It makes me want to puke, get off your emotional high horse and realize that every huma is built with the same capacity to feel.

I am incredibly optimistic for the human race. however, today in our increasingly encroaching post-modern society where irony abounds, the ability to discern real emotions from fake, packaged ones is a rare one.

[Des]

That was funny!  Tell another one.

No, but seriously, what exactly is a "heavenly" voice?  Don't just give examples, explain.  What qualities must a voice have to be considered "heavenly?"  Does it have to fall within a certain range?  Does it have to be male or female or can either gender create "heavenly" vocals?  What is it exactly about this Hollis dude that makes his voice as good as you say it is?

If you try to say something along the lines of "well, it just is and you don't understand it yet," or "I know it when I hear it and you should too," or pretty much anything that isn't "well, it is because I think it is and that's about it," all you've done is exposed yourself as someone who can't understand that different people think about things differently and someone who hears a voice you consider "heavenly" has every right to think of it as ... anything.  And they'll be exactly as correct as you are.

Just a noob here but I would really like to see the answer to this question.